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Wales Training Squad

Does Gatland have his favorites or do Wales just not have the playing numbers to have 8 identical choices in every position like teams including England can. People need to stop pretending that it is even remotely comparable to what Lancaster can choose from. Totally different jobs in so many ways.
Wales have some tremendous talent on the top couple of layers, but go below and it gets pretty average pretty fast. It's a miracle we can even produce the team we can, and a lot of it is thanks to the vision of fatland and his ability to pick mostly right players and nurture them. NZ pick the same team as often as they can, because they have a similar principle. Changing selection constantly when players have one or two bad games isn't always the answer. It can result in consistent mediocracy or nearly wins. England haven't won anything in years and I think this thinking has a hand in it. Wales are more likely o lose 10 games in a row, but then when they manage to turn it on, they can keep it well enough to win grand slams and championships.
Some will definitely disagree, but in my opinion if you compare the performances of the Welsh and English teams since the last World Cup, Wales at their best have shown a higher capability than England at their best. But I would also say Wales at their worst have been worse than England. It's interesting because the less consistent selection policy of England has actually been more consistent in overall performance than Wales has. In contrast to this, with his consistent selections, gatland has generally been able to create a base team which when together over longer periods is capable of performing to a higher standard than England, but then with a dip in form, also much worse than them.
You may disagree, but I think this is a reasonable explanation, even if it's not what you feel is true.
With this, you can understand why some, like myself, feel that with a good long pre World Cup prep for Wales, with a limited amount of injuries, and plenty of time together I would expect us to beat England if we do all this properly. If it's anything like the prep done on 2011, we will come out as big dark horses in many minds. Must say though that England are definitely improving, year after year with Lancaster, and I think it will be incredibly hard to call on the day.

Edit - called gatland, fatland. Noticed but too amused to change.
Also I'm high on fever mess and typing on a phone, forgive the terrible grammar and punctuation.
 
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Completely agree with that. England's obsession with cutting and changing to look for a complete player can be ridiculous. I think Mr. Lancaster has the assumption that because there are so many players, there must be at least XV that fit his gameplan perfectly.

However this thread isn't about England, despite how often you bring them up! I'm sure Gatland has a plan for this WC, but for me his consistency might come back to bite him. A couple injuries before and a couple injuries during (very normal in WCs to be fair) and his plan is shot. All those years of bonding for little. Got to hope for Wales' sake that doesn't happen. I disagree that they lack strength in depth though. Plenty of exciting young wing options and it's not like Wales haven't had ample games against smaller teams to blood them.

Will be interesting to see which side turns up to the WC. Becoming a bit France-esque no?
 
Does Gatland have his favorites or do Wales just not have the playing numbers to have 8 identical choices in every position like teams including England can. People need to stop pretending that it is even remotely comparable to what Lancaster can choose from. Totally different jobs in so many ways.
Wales have some tremendous talent on the top couple of layers, but go below and it gets pretty average pretty fast. It's a miracle we can even produce the team we can, and a lot of it is thanks to the vision of fatland and his ability to pick mostly right players and nurture them. NZ pick the same team as often as they can, because they have a similar principle. Changing selection constantly when players have one or two bad games isn't always the answer. It can result in consistent mediocracy or nearly wins. England haven't won anything in years and I think this thinking has a hand in it. Wales are more likely o lose 10 games in a row, but then when they manage to turn it on, they can keep it well enough to win grand slams and championships.
Some will definitely disagree, but in my opinion if you compare the performances of the Welsh and English teams since the last World Cup, Wales at their best have shown a higher capability than England at their best. But I would also say Wales at their worst have been worse than England. It's interesting because the less consistent selection policy of England has actually been more consistent in overall performance than Wales has. In contrast to this, with his consistent selections, gatland has generally been able to create a base team which when together over longer periods is capable of performing to a higher standard than England, but then with a dip in form, also much worse than them.
You may disagree, but I think this is a reasonable explanation, even if it's not what you feel is true.
With this, you can understand why some, like myself, feel that with a good long pre World Cup prep for Wales, with a limited amount of injuries, and plenty of time together I would expect us to beat England if we do all this properly. If it's anything like the prep done on 2011, we will come out as big dark horses in many minds. Must say though that England are definitely improving, year after year with Lancaster, and I think it will be incredibly hard to call on the day.

Edit - called gatland, fatland. Noticed but too amused to change.
Also I'm high on fever mess and typing on a phone, forgive the terrible grammar and punctuation.

In fairness all of England's chopping and changing is either down to injury or Stuart Lancaster's inability to pick the right player the first time picking Burrell and 36 over JJ for example . Also back to the point Liam Williams would be a huge loss to Wales . Cuthbert is one of the best close finishers in the world but can't defend, turns like an oil tanker and isn't that great in the air for a big bloke . Fortunately for Wales at the moment the injuries are coming is positions they have a bit of depth in . Imo an injury to AWJ or Biggar would be the worst thing in the world for Wales
 
Fortunately for Wales at the moment the injuries are coming is positions they have a bit of depth in . Imo an injury to AWJ or Biggar would be the worst thing in the world for Wales

AWJ would be huge loss in terms of leadership and presence, but then we do have some depth in the SR with Charteris, Ball and Davies all playing regular rugby.

I think our biggest weakness is actually the front row. Lee is not going to be fully fit, despite the best care in the world. Gethin has also been struggling with his calf. Paul James to cover there, and he will do a job in the scrum, but then his work around the park isn't the same as Gethin's. A couple of injuries in that area and we are down to the bare bones.
 
AWJ would be huge loss in terms of leadership and presence, but then we do have some depth in the SR with Charteris, Ball and Davies all playing regular rugby.

I think our biggest weakness is actually the front row. Lee is not going to be fully fit, despite the best care in the world. Gethin has also been struggling with his calf. Paul James to cover there, and he will do a job in the scrum, but then his work around the park isn't the same as Gethin's. A couple of injuries in that area and we are down to the bare bones.

Yes the front row is the only weakness as long as everyone stays fit we have decent 2nd row cover, excellent back row i would choose Warbs 6 Falatau 8 Tips 7 with Lydiate and Moriarty on the bench, possibly a little weak at 9 if Webb or Philips injured plenty of 10's behind Biggar and cover everywhere else behind.
 
However this thread isn't about England, despite how often you bring them up!

Will be interesting to see which side turns up to the WC. Becoming a bit France-esque no?

If I am responding to English posters talking about how Gatland only picks his 'favourites' then it seems fair to me for my reposte to include a comparison of the England management and team. Besides, the two teams are the most polar opposites on that discussion which made it an obvious comparison.

On your second point...not really, we would have to fall a hell of a long way to be in that position. I think of we continue to grow our strength in depth, as we have done for the past years despite people thinking otherwise, then we will just get stronger and stronger. I do believe however that our lack of numbers will always pose a significant challenge in building this. It will take time, but by the next World Cup, we could be looking at a Wales squad with three players in each position of near enough the same quality. It's getting there.
 
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Okay i was a bit harsh. I guess it's difficult to know whether you're purposefully trolling, or are just a bit 'simple' i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and apologise for the language and name.

25-06-15 01:46 AM
Jbobo
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Yet again, it's this dick head. Please **** off, i'm just so sick of you right now. You're just everywhere being your ******* self.

All because i said, and explained in a perfectly civil manner to other people, why i though Cuthbert would be a better option than Williams.
 
Jbobo frequently gets away with insulting other posters on this forum. I'd be interested to know how that's ok...
 
Jbobo frequently gets away with insulting other posters on this forum. I'd be interested to know how that's ok...

don't really mind the insults so much, it's just I think the reaction to a prefectly innocent statment was OTT, Blue and Pyschic both took issue with it and I explained my point..... not sure what there was to get all aggro about.
 
If I am responding to English posters talking about how Gatland only picks his 'favourites' then it seems fair to me for my reposte to include a comparison of the England management and team. Besides, the two teams are the most polar opposites on that discussion which made it an obvious comparison.

On your second point...not really, we would have to fall a hell of a long way to be in that position. I think of we continue to grow our strength in depth, as we have done for the past years despite people thinking otherwise, then we will just get stronger and stronger. I do believe however that our lack of numbers will always pose a significant challenge in building this. It will take time, but by the next World Cup, we could be looking at a Wales squad with three players in each position of near enough the same quality. It's getting there.

Just think we should stick to Wales but hey, that's your call.

On the comparison to France, I think it's reasonable! Really good teams with players coming through left right and centre in 06 & 07 in the 6 Nations, meanwhile 08 & 09 they struggled before returning to form. From memory they were a similar group of players, but no one could predict what sort of season they would have.

Having said that, Wales have shown the ability to lose the first game of the 6N and come back strongly. Takes a hell of a team to do that. Perhaps losing one in their group wouldn't be the death knell. Who would the second placed team in that group play against?

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All because i said, and explained in a perfectly civil manner to other people, why i though Cuthbert would be a better option than Williams.

Is it because you're in a group with Wales?
 
L et me just go screen shot some of Goodnumber10's messages.

Read the rest of the thread and you idiots can't stop going on about England and how Moriarty was stolen from you. Hypocitical ***** at every chance. It's infuriating coming on here and reading so much ******** from you empty headed *****. Bite the heads off anyone who says anything remotely different to your generall ass licking concensus of everything English and they get punced upon by so many of you at a time. You are all discrete trolls and even have the gall to call others trolls. Too much stupid.

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You know what, i've said it before but always came back. **** this forum and **** you English pricks who ruined it. I'll take littleguy's lead and **** off somewhere else.

Just ban me please moderators. i'll not sign up again. (that should be plenty of swears). Cheers
 
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L et me just go screen shot some of Goodnumber10's messages.

Read the rest of the thread and you idiots can't stop going on about England and how Moriarty was stolen from you. Hypocitical ***** at every chance. It's infuriating coming on here and reading so much ******** from you empty headed *****. Bite the heads off anyone who says anything remotely different to your generall ass licking concensus of everything English and they get punced upon by so many of you at a time. You are all discrete trolls and even have the gall to call others trolls. Too much stupid.

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You know what, i've said it before but always came back. **** this forum and **** you English pricks who ruined it. I'll take littleguy's lead and **** off somewhere else.

Just ban me please moderators. i'll not sign up again. (that should be plenty of swears). Cheers

Good riddance. You give the reasonable Welsh posters a bad name (*Bon Jovi begins to play*).
 
All because i said, and explained in a perfectly civil manner to other people, why i though Cuthbert would be a better option than Williams.

Cuthbert better than Williams, what you really mean is you'd rather Cuthbert played against England than Williams you'd be right there.
 
Is it because you're in a group with Wales?

Not at all.

As a coach I'd rather plan to face Williams than Cuthbert because he's more likely do something stupid (penalty wise) and for all his great running he's not nearly as prolific as Cuthbert in scoring I think despite his poor season Cuthberts got a decent strike rate at International level, and has scored genuine game breaking tries - i dont' recall Williams ever breaking a game in a positive manner. And like i said with Burns for England last summer (and was proved right) form can be turned around very quickly in training camps. Take guys out of a badly performing environment and work with them and they can quite often come good....

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Cuthbert better than Williams, what you really mean is you'd rather Cuthbert played against England than Williams you'd be right there.

better option, not better.

very different concepts.
 
Yes the front row is the only weakness as long as everyone stays fit we have decent 2nd row cover, excellent back row i would choose Warbs 6 Falatau 8 Tips 7 with Lydiate and Moriarty on the bench, possibly a little weak at 9 if Webb or Philips injured plenty of 10's behind Biggar and cover everywhere else behind.

Interested why you would even consider a 50 cap player like Lydiate would be left out for a player barely proven as anything more than a good club player . Not saying he can't be better than that but imo that's where Moriarty is at at the moment . Also interested in who you consider as an ample replacement for Biggar imo he's one of the best outside halves in Europe at the moment and heads and shoulders above anyone Wales have
 
Not at all.

As a coach I'd rather plan to face Williams than Cuthbert because he's more likely do something stupid (penalty wise) and for all his great running he's not nearly as prolific as Cuthbert in scoring I think despite his poor season Cuthberts got a decent strike rate at International level, and has scored genuine game breaking tries - i dont' recall Williams ever breaking a game in a positive manner. And like i said with Burns for England last summer (and was proved right) form can be turned around very quickly in training camps. Take guys out of a badly performing environment and work with them and they can quite often come good....


Do you not feel Wales already have enough finishers? They need that spark that I can't see from many backs (asides maybe Webb). Can't rely on forwards to gain momentum in a WC. Having a real livewire like Williams in the mix can allow others to finish.
 
Do you not feel Wales already have enough finishers? They need that spark that I can't see from many backs (asides maybe Webb). Can't rely on forwards to gain momentum in a WC. Having a real livewire like Williams in the mix can allow others to finish.

surely it's about who your best finishers are and not how many? Cuthbert poaches, in a way I don't recall seeing Williams do.

Just to clarify exactly what i'm saying it's not that Cuthbert is better then Williams etc... he's not, i prefer Williams as well. But that Williams being would not be a major impact on the Welsh squad as Cuthbert is likely to be the winger of choice anyway. like i said though, just my opinion.
 
http://youtu.be/tYAEs6oree4

Yeh just a poacher. I guess you could say he's just a far more effective version of Chris Ashton.

1: what's your point?

2:
Chris Ashton international Strike Rate: 0.487
Alex Cuthbert international Strike Rate : 0.437

Lol!

also, Can you keep it on Wales please, The England threads are over there >>>>>>
 
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1: what's your point?


My point is that labeling a winger who has scored most of his tries by either going through a tackle, or by going round them - a 'poacher' is idiotic and yet another veiled troll by you. Everything you post about Wales has an undercurrent of negativity and it's obvious to all. You think that when you argue with someone, they make you look a fool and then simply forget about it and move on to your next battle. You're the worst poster i've seen in a long time. Along with your little buddies.

If i'm not allowed to discuss England in this thread, then may i point you to the England thread where Wales have been mentioned numerous times. Yet again with the hypocritical response by you.


Still waiting to be banned moderators - I won't be tempted to reply to these idiots if you do. Cheers.
 
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