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Wales Tour 2013: Japan

Similar to how he was involved with South Africa when they won the World Cup?

However as you pointed out, it would never happen as I couldn't see him tolerating the crap at the WRU.

Yes, he was quite effective, at least the players felt that way.
He pretty much helped to invent modern rugby with dummy runners while at the Brumbies a decade ago.

The WRU wouldn't want someone as vocal as him involved. He wouldn't tow the party line. Likewise, I would consider Jonathan Davies in some capacity (has to be better than Howler) but again, he wouldn't take the junk and follow blindly.
 
Yes, he was quite effective, at least the players felt that way.
He pretty much helped to invent modern rugby with dummy runners while at the Brumbies a decade ago.

The WRU wouldn't want someone as vocal as him involved. He wouldn't tow the party line. Likewise, I would consider Jonathan Davies in some capacity (has to be better than Howler) but again, he wouldn't take the junk and follow blindly.

Those backline moves and dummy runners still very evident in Jones' tactics with Japan's play.

 
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Ken Owens didn't look good yesterday. Wouldn't be surprised if he missed the tour, which would be a blow. Matthew Rees recall? We'd need someone with experience considering the other two hookers are uncapped.

Priestland almost certainly out after injuring his hamstring again. Gotta feel sorry for him, regardless of how poor he was for Wales last season. Owen Williams call-up?
 
Ken Owens didn't look good yesterday. Wouldn't be surprised if he missed the tour, which would be a blow. Matthew Rees recall? We'd need someone with experience considering the other two hookers are uncapped.

Priestland almost certainly out after injuring his hamstring again. Gotta feel sorry for him, regardless of how poor he was for Wales last season. Owen Williams call-up?

Yeah, I feel awful for Priestland.
I was critical of his form, but I hated seeing him jeered by 'fans'. He was very obviously in the wrong state of mind, yet Howley kept picking him.

I wonder if they'd call up Williams. Reminds me most of Biggar, if we were to compare him to a current Welsh player. Needs to kick in open play less.

Japan love that loop play. I don't think our midfield will give them enough time though. One or two direct runners flooding in should be enough.
 
Japan love that loop play. I don't think our midfield will give them enough time though. One or two direct runners flooding in should be enough.

To add to that, backline moves like that can only be run on front foot ball. Do that before first going forwards and Wales will just smash them behind the gainline. Just look at the Scarlets trying to go wide without first going forwards through their forwards. Good defences easily deal with it by either blitzing and not allowing the time for fancy loop moves, or drifting and picking up the looped player wider out.

If Wales give Japan that much space Edwards would probably commit suicide, or more likely butcher the entire Welsh team in some messy killing spree.
 
To add to that, backline moves like that can only be run on front foot ball. Do that before first going forwards and Wales will just smash them behind the gainline. Just look at the Scarlets trying to go wide without first going forwards through their forwards. Good defences easily deal with it by either blitzing and not allowing the time for fancy loop moves, or drifting and picking up the looped player wider out.

If Wales give Japan that much space Edwards would probably commit suicide, or more likely butcher the entire Welsh team in some messy killing spree.
Exactly. Add to that we could play Shingler and Navidi, both rather fleet of foot. We should be able to catch them behind the gainline or flat in open play. Beck and Williams both have a decent size on them, so we can still try to run our crash-ball back moves all day.

There were injury worries over the following: Liam Williams, Scott Williams, Ken Owens, Rhys Priestland.
Who would you call up for each as a replacement?

Liam Williams -> Daniel Evans (I'd say Fussell but we know how that will go...)
Scott Williams -> Cory Allen (Sevens experience, good U20 background)
Ken Owens -> Matthew Rees/Sam Parry (Was consider for 6N, apparently).
Rhys Priestland -> Owen Williams.
 
Liam Williams -> Daniel Evans (I'd say Fussell but we know how that will go...)
Scott Williams -> Cory Allen (Sevens experience, good U20 background)
Ken Owens -> Matthew Rees/Sam Parry (Was consider for 6N, apparently).
Rhys Priestland -> Owen Williams.

I'd agree with all of them. Cory Allen would be a big loss to the U20's, but they do have a few decent centres, such as Dixon. I'd love to see a Beck-Allen centre partnership actually, that has all the ingredients of something awesome.

If Owens is out, Rees is a must imo.
 
Gotta say those backs moves really are gorgeous!! I do wish that Wales would do some more of that! Then again our back-line is more direct and contact driven, but Beck at 12 ;)

Will be nice to see some fresh faces get some gametime in the red shirt! Develop some experience in key positions!
 
I'd agree with all of them. Cory Allen would be a big loss to the U20's, but they do have a few decent centres, such as Dixon. I'd love to see a Beck-Allen centre partnership actually, that has all the ingredients of something awesome.

If Owens is out, Rees is a must imo.

Although I'd rather develop someone, we really have no other viable options beyond Rees. No one coming through the Blues really. Rhys Williams and Dacey are their younger ones and I can't see them touring.
 
Although I'd rather develop someone, we really have no other viable options beyond Rees. No one coming through the Blues really. Rhys Williams and Dacey are their younger ones and I can't see them touring.

It's not just that though, we simply need some experience. With two uncapped hookers already touring, there's no need to take a third.
 
Yeah, I feel awful for Priestland.
I was critical of his form, but I hated seeing him jeered by 'fans'. He was very obviously in the wrong state of mind, yet Howley kept picking him.

This was the big error. Picking a player regardless of him playing awfully and admits himself to being in a bad state when Biggar was available and in much better form was a very simple move. It seems trying to get Priestland to play himself out of his dire form just backfired and it just got worse.

Japan love that loop play. I don't think our midfield will give them enough time though. One or two direct runners flooding in should be enough.

Draggs, I don't see your logic about "direct runners". What type of centre do you think Tonga or Samoa had? To give you a clue one of them had the surname "Kefu".

Japan used set play moves a lot against Samoa and Tonga last year, but hardly used them at all against Romania and Georgia, using more of less structured gameplan and more of pass and dart gameplan which focused more on quick ball than anything else. This try against Georgia was the best example of their attacking strategy (note the 7 is actually massively offside to create the turnover here). Although it didn't click quite as well as it did here in general as Georgia had a man in the sin bin on this try, but they did generate penalties from it.

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To add to that, backline moves like that can only be run on front foot ball. Do that before first going forwards and Wales will just smash them behind the gainline. Just look at the Scarlets trying to go wide without first going forwards through their forwards. Good defences easily deal with it by either blitzing and not allowing the time for fancy loop moves, or drifting and picking up the looped player wider out.

If Wales give Japan that much space Edwards would probably commit suicide, or more likely butcher the entire Welsh team in some messy killing spree.

Dullonien, looking at the sides that have had more success breaking down the Welsh defence this season it has been all been sides going wide. Australia, Argentina and Ireland all profited from stretching the backline with passing rather than crash ball tactics.

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When England and France attempted to take on Wales' defence at crash ball tactics with crash ball centres, Wales dealt with it easily. Tuilagi, one of the most dynamic line busters about, failed to anything out of Roberts' defence. Samoa are the only team who come on top of Wales at their own game physically.

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Whilst actually though, England's best chances were created by going wide and trying to stretch the Welsh defence in that game. However because the centres they had skillsets were more weighted in favour of line breaking and boshing, they didn't have the passing and distributing skills to make the chances they had going wide count, with Tuilagi fumbling a chance and ignoring an overlap later on (note guess which forward is hanging out on the wing as per usual in the second GIF :D). In hindsight, England would have been better advised to have played Twelvetrees in the midfield with Tuilagi to offer that passing game to make the opportunities out wide count better.

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The point I am trying to make is that a passing wide game is proven to be a more successful way of breaking down Wales' defence this season. Also note that none of Australia, Argentina or Ireland were dominating up front.

And Japan's attacking play (which is ahead of 6 Nations sides Italy and Scotland's), seems to be the ideal style based on previous matches to counter Wales's defensive system.

Meanwhile whilst Japan's attack is better than some Tier 1 sides, the same cannot be said of defence, it's not really to do with size necessarily as Argentina shut Wales down with much smaller backs, but technique and bravery is lacking amongst some Japanese backs and this cost has cost them games against the Pacific Islanders. So Wales' attacking plan is also proven to be an effective strategy to take on Japan.

So with the high 20 degree heat, and both attacks ideal to combat the others weaknesses, I predict a high scoring game. With Wales' superior experience (in terms of top level matches not international caps) giving them the advantage.

In general, Tier 2 sides need to gain experience of playing these sides before beating them, see Italy in the 6 Nations for example they needed seasons of losing against the likes of France before they beat them, this is also why I strongly believe that some Tier 2 sides have been given enough exposure in recent years against the likes of Italy and Scotland.

Liam Williams -> Daniel Evans (I'd say Fussell but we know how that will go...)

They will more likely pick some 6 foot 4 inch kid just out of school from the Principality Premiership for a back three player.

With regards to Japanese passing. That is all well and good in their tournament, but I would fancy our defence putting much more pressure on them than Samoa, etc. (Ignore November, we all know many things were at play there). Scott Williams' defence has been improving (remember that hit he did early on against Argentina? GIF?) and Beck is decent as well. Our blitz can shut them down or force them to go deeper than usual. It will be a much more difficult task for them to put width on the ball and make good gains.

Hang on, Samoa outplayed two 6 Nations sides last year one of which was the 6 Nations champions. Tonga beat Scotland as well. I think there is strong evidence that Samoa side in that match with the likes of Fotuali'i at 9, Taulafo, Mulipola and Johnston at prop, Paulo at hooker, Tekori at lock, Fa'asavalu at flanker, Paul Williams at centre, Lemi at wing all of whom apart from the injured Mulipola played roles in beating a stronger Wales in November, would be stronger and favourites against this Wales team that is playing this June.

So I don't quite understand your "it might work against Samoa" point Draggs.
 
Yes, I would honestly say our defence is better than that of Samoa.
Japan could exploit us if they want to throw it wide as you said other sides did, but I am not sure if they'd be able to pull it off. I'd say Ireland/Australia/Argentina are probably a bit more polished. That being said, I think Japan will be more than up for this and if we go in expecting to walk it, we could have issues early on. Same as our last two Barbarians matches. We went in expecting to win, and out overwhelmed a bit.

From what I have heard, Rhys was pulled out of the Ulster match as a precaution. No news on the others.
 
TOKYO (May 13) â€" Japan coach Eddie Jones named a 35-man squad Monday ahead of the upcoming IRB Pacific Nations Cup and the two-test series with Six Nations champions Wales.

The squad is based largely on the players that helped Japan to their sixth straight HSBC Asian 5 Nations ***le, a campaign that saw them score 316 points and concede just eight.

There are, however, three notable additions in Shota Horie, Fumiaki Tanaka and Michael Leitch.

Hooker Horie and scrumhalf Tanaka have both started games in recent weeks for the Rebels and Highlanders, respectively, while flanker Leitch has spent the last few months in New Zealand as part of the Chiefs expanded squad.

"After the successful Asian 5 Nations, we have now picked a squad that we believe can win the Pacific Nations Cup and beat Wales and we're looking forward to having Horie, Leitch and Tanaka back in the squad after the Super Rugby,†Jones said prior to going into camp with his players.

A number of players who picked up knocks during the A5N or were rested for the latter stages have also been included, including Toshiaki Hirose who led the side in the first two tests before damaging a hamstring.

“We realize that we need to keep working very hard on our strength and conditioning and the way we play the game, and hopefully guys like Hirose will rehab quickly and be back for selection as soon as possible,†Jones said, adding that Masakazu Nagano would also train with the squad.

To help with the increased physicality of the games ahead, Fabio Ongaro (capped 80 times by Italy) and Marc Dal Maso (who won 33 caps for France) will work with the squad as spot coaches.

The Brave Blossoms open their summer campaign against Tonga in Yokohama on May 25, before travelling to Fiji for a match on June 1.
They then return to Japan to play Wales on June 8 (in Osaka) and 15 (Tokyo), before wrapping up their PNC campaign with games against Canada and the United States on June 19 in Nagoya and June 23 in Tokyo.

Japan squad:

Forwards : Yusuke Nagae, Masataka Mikami, Takuma Asahara, Shota Horie, Takeshi Kizu, Yusuke Aoki, Hiroki Yuhara, Hiroshi Yamashita, Kensuke Hatakeyama, Shoji Ito, Hitoshi Ono, Shinya Makabe, Justin Ives, Ryuta Yasui, Michael Broadhurst, Michael Leitch, Hendrik Tui, Takashi Kikutani, Ryu Koliniasi Holani.

Backs: Atsushi Hiwasa, Fumiaki Tanaka, Keisuke Uchida, Kosei Ono, Yu Tamura, Harumichi Tatekawa, Craig Wing, Ryoto Nakamura, Male Sau, Seiichi Shimomura, Yoshikazu Fujita, Toshiaki Hirose, Yuta Imamura, Hirotoki Onozawa, Kenki Fukuoka, Ayumu Goromarud.
 
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Wales Training Squad Update

Wales have called Cardiff Blues outside half Rhys Patchell and Newport Gwent Dragons hooker Sam Parry into their training squad for the tour of Japan but Scarlets fly-half Rhys Priestland has been ruled out of the tour.

Priestland aggravated his Achilles tendon in the warm-up of the Scarlets’ RaboDirect PRO12 semi-final on Friday evening and will miss the two-test tour.

Patchell, 19, who has scored 147 points in 22 appearances for the Blues this season and Haverfordwest born Parry, joined up with the training squad when they met for the first time this morning.

Ken Owens, Scott Williams and Liam Williams who picked up knocks in the defeat to Ulster, will continue to be monitored by the National Squad medical team.

Rhys PATCHELL (CARDIFF BLUES - Uncapped)
DoB: 17.05.93. 6’2†/ 1.88m. 14st 13lbs / 95kgs
International record: Uncapped

Sam PARRY (NEWPORT GWENT DRAGONS - Uncapped)
DoB: 17.12.91. 6’1†/ 1.86m. 16st 11lbs / 107kgs
International record: Uncapped
 
Exactly. Add to that we could play Shingler and Navidi, both rather fleet of foot. We should be able to catch them behind the gainline or flat in open play. Beck and Williams both have a decent size on them, so we can still try to run our crash-ball back moves all day.

There were injury worries over the following: Liam Williams, Scott Williams, Ken Owens, Rhys Priestland.
Who would you call up for each as a replacement?

Liam Williams -> Daniel Evans (I'd say Fussell but we know how that will go...)
Scott Williams -> Cory Allen (Sevens experience, good U20 background)
Ken Owens -> Matthew Rees/Sam Parry (Was consider for 6N, apparently).
Rhys Priestland -> Owen Williams.

Hmmmm... :)
 
I noticed on the replies under a Western Mail article. There were some asking why Matthew Morgan and Marc Breeze hadn't been called up. :lol:
 
If Owens is out, and no Rees call up, then who is going to captain now?

The only two remotely experienced guys remaining are Bradley Davies and Dan Biggar. I think Biggar could react quite well to being captain, but would it add too much workload on one person. 10's are rarely picked to captain, and even when an apparent great candidate in Stephen Jones was, he buckled and his game went to sh*t.

I personally don't want to see Bradley captain. His act of deliberate foul play against Ireland last year still leaves a sour taste in my mouth, and doesn't shout out leadership qualities.

A few interesting stats on Scrum V last night. King, Shingler and Navidi were singled out and all could start (with King at lock), that's a pretty high skill trio right there! Looking forward to see how they go, especially King and Navidi who have both been great for their regions this year. Shingler's form has dipped somewhat since his injury in the Autumn though.
 
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A few interesting stats on Scrum V last night. King, Shingler and Navidi were singled out and all could start (with King at lock), that's a pretty high skill trio right there! Looking forward to see how they go, especially King and Navidi who have both been great for their regions this year. Shingler's form has dipped somewhat since his injury in the Autumn though.

I think as the only starter from the England match not in the Lions squad, Biggar should captain.

However I actually think though that they should have brought Ryan Jones for a leadership role and to lead the side. I know it may have prevented the coaches giving chance for Shingler, but I think he could have passed down some good knowledge and experience to the squad as much off the field as on it.
 
I think as the only starter from the England match not in the Lions squad, Biggar should captain.

However I actually think though that they should have brought Ryan Jones for a leadership role and to lead the side. I know it may have prevented the coaches giving chance for Shingler, but I think he could have passed down some good knowledge and experience to the squad as much off the field as on it.

Maybe. But Ryan Jones was probably most in need of a summer off if he didn't make the Lions tour. He's had plenty of injuries over the last few years, and a proper summer off with a full pre-season is just what he needs imo.
 
Coombs and Davies are the candidates to lead the team apparently.
 

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