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AGain, its importqntnto be sccurate, and not utilise inflated numbers to justify your argument, in this case your using Trumps own inflated numbers as justification.

Obama averaged 400k per year and peaked at 440k.

Trump term 1 averaged 240k in term 1, and 2025 is estimated at beteen 300k and 330k.

DHS changing the way it reports, and inflating the numbers for Trumps bragging doesnt mean its 600k.

Now theres a discussion to be had about self deportations, and the widened scope of all illegals and not just those who are illegal and commited further crimes, but as it stands Obama, even if we compare year on year is still sitting pretty with the title of deporrer and chief.
Article: The Obama Record on Deportations: Deporte.. | migrationpolicy.org https://share.google/MQt2yeyh5hDQ6tuEG

Yet this completely contradicts your claim...
 
Article: The Obama Record on Deportations: Deporte.. | migrationpolicy.org https://share.google/MQt2yeyh5hDQ6tuEG

Yet this completely contradicts your claim...

I think you find it doesnt, look at rhe numbers...

Obama deportations 3 million
Bush deportations 2 million
Clinton deportations 900k

Obama is still riding high compared to every modern day president, it says it right there, however i will concede Obamas average doesnt quite touch 400k per year.
 
I think you find it doesnt, look at rhe numbers...

Obama deportations 3 million
Bush deportations 2 million
Clinton deportations 900k

Obama is still riding high compared to every modern day president, it says it right there, however i will concede Obamas average doesnt quite touch 400k per year.
Except you are cherry picking by ignoring returns. I suggest you look at the numbers.
 
Except you are cherry picking by ignoring returns. I suggest you look at the numbers.

Once again, and i dont mean it in a disrespecful way, you dont understand.

A Removal is a term that means offically kicked out of the US, it requires a judge to sign off, and has a re entry ban. This is called a deportation.

A return is informal. If someone walks across the border, sees a US officer, and turns back, thats a return. Theres no reason to even ID them, and theres no restricyions on re entry. Most returns, certainly for the Bush and Clinton eras were forced turn arounds at the border.

The reason Obama was different, was that he built facilities (later to be referred to as Trumps cages) and captured and formally removed (deported) people, ensuring there were consequences to re entry attempts.

Obama prided himself on stopping the flow, and deincentivising illegal crossing in the first place, hence why his deportations sky rocketed, and hes lack of interest in returns dropped.

So yes, he was Deporter in chief, and yes his aggressive border policy, not just deportations, but ICEs increased funding, power and reach, has paved the way for Trump to utilise it, and well essentially try to break his record, which thus far, if you believe his numbers (im not sure you believe much he says) he is on track as of 2025, but if independant sources are believed in reality hes lagging behind Obama by quite a bit.
 
Once again, and i dont mean it in a disrespecful way, you dont understand.

A Removal is a term that means offically kicked out of the US, it requires a judge to sign off, and has a re entry ban. This is called a deportation.

A return is informal. If someone walks across the border, sees a US officer, and turns back, thats a return. Theres no reason to even ID them, and theres no restricyions on re entry. Most returns, certainly for the Bush and Clinton eras were forced turn arounds at the border.

The reason Obama was different, was that he built facilities (later to be referred to as Trumps cages) and captured and formally removed (deported) people, ensuring there were consequences to re entry attempts.

Obama prided himself on stopping the flow, and deincentivising illegal crossing in the first place, hence why his deportations sky rocketed, and hes lack of interest in returns dropped.

So yes, he was Deporter in chief, and yes his aggressive border policy, not just deportations, but ICEs increased funding, power and reach, has paved the way for Trump to utilise it, and well essentially try to break his record, which thus far, if you believe his numbers (im not sure you believe much he says) he is on track as of 2025, but if independant sources are believed in reality hes lagging behind Obama by quite a bit.
Yes I do understand and I do know the difference. However removals also include people who are threatened with forced deportion but leave of their own accord. It's not just someone turning around and going back at the border if they see a border guard as those would rarely if ever be caught let alone recorded.

If Obama was as bad then explain why we didn't see the ICE incidents we are now. Going to do the usual of claiming it's all a liberal conspiracy?
 
Yes I do understand and I do know the difference. However removals also include people who are threatened with forced deportion but leave of their own accord. It's not just someone turning around and going back at the border if they see a border guard as those would rarely if ever be caught let alone recorded.

If Obama was as bad then explain why we didn't see the ICE incidents we are now. Going to do the usual of claiming it's all a liberal conspiracy?

If you understood you wouldnt have tried to conflate Bushs 10 million returns with deportations, in a conversation about Obama being the Deporter in chief.

Returns can be anything, like Trumps payments to return now, will be classed as returns. Theyre not all at the border, but most are, or i should say were, as Trump is clai.ing 1.9million last year i cant imagine its that high, probably like his removal figures 60% seems a more accurate number.

So this is a good question, there are a number of reasons for this, some obvious some not so.

1. Most obviously, technology was not as prevelant or advanced as it was in 2014/2015. Body cams, live feeds, platforms to share those videos etc have all exploded in the last decade.

2. Political division. During the Obama years, Republicans cheered on his immigration policies, both parties, and general public consensus, especially amongst Mexicans was anti illegal immigration. Republicans werent on TV screaming for ICE to 'get the **** out of my city' and calling for rebellion and war (i think Waltz called it).

3. Obama focussed his efforts, and had a higher deportation ratio on the border, he built the cages, and its much easier to keep deportations out of public view in rural Texas and California, than urban Minneaplois. Instead of returning them from where they came, Obama imprisoned, booked and deported ensuring they couldnt return legally.

4. Population mobilization and radicalisation was nowhere nesr the same levels it is now. Tech has allowed people to mobilise and weaponise at an instant, in 2015 middle aged socder mums couldnt, and wouldnt have dropped the kids off at school, and checked their phone bored and got an alert agents were a few blocks away. Algorithms are radicalising once thoughtful and smart people, into believing they have a moral duty to become violent, as rage sells 10 times better than any other emotion evoked, especially in the new age short form content.

I was just doing a bot of doom scrolling and my algorithm is wild, pro and anti Trump stuff, and within a 10 minute period i saw a short of a person making the claim Good was literally pulling out of her driveway and was executed, AND that she was part of an anti ICE terror group stalking and doxxing agents, before trying to run one over at 40mph.

So im not saying Obama was as bad as Trump on immigration, i dont put a good bad in it, im not pro or against these policies because 1. Its not my country and 2. The US got what they voted for, hes doing exactly what he said on the tin.

Obama deported more, thats factual. Obama paved the wsy for Trump, thats factual.
 
If you understood you wouldnt have tried to conflate Bushs 10 million returns with deportations, in a conversation about Obama being the Deporter in chief.

Returns can be anything, like Trumps payments to return now, will be classed as returns. Theyre not all at the border, but most are, or i should say were, as Trump is clai.ing 1.9million last year i cant imagine its that high, probably like his removal figures 60% seems a more accurate number.

So this is a good question, there are a number of reasons for this, some obvious some not so.

1. Most obviously, technology was not as prevelant or advanced as it was in 2014/2015. Body cams, live feeds, platforms to share those videos etc have all exploded in the last decade.

2. Political division. During the Obama years, Republicans cheered on his immigration policies, both parties, and general public consensus, especially amongst Mexicans was anti illegal immigration. Republicans werent on TV screaming for ICE to 'get the **** out of my city' and calling for rebellion and war (i think Waltz called it).

3. Obama focussed his efforts, and had a higher deportation ratio on the border, he built the cages, and its much easier to keep deportations out of public view in rural Texas and California, than urban Minneaplois. Instead of returning them from where they came, Obama imprisoned, booked and deported ensuring they couldnt return legally.

4. Population mobilization and radicalisation was nowhere nesr the same levels it is now. Tech has allowed people to mobilise and weaponise at an instant, in 2015 middle aged socder mums couldnt, and wouldnt have dropped the kids off at school, and checked their phone bored and got an alert agents were a few blocks away. Algorithms are radicalising once thoughtful and smart people, into believing they have a moral duty to become violent, as rage sells 10 times better than any other emotion evoked, especially in the new age short form content.

I was just doing a bot of doom scrolling and my algorithm is wild, pro and anti Trump stuff, and within a 10 minute period i saw a short of a person making the claim Good was literally pulling out of her driveway and was executed, AND that she was part of an anti ICE terror group stalking and doxxing agents, before trying to run one over at 40mph.

So im not saying Obama was as bad as Trump on immigration, i dont put a good bad in it, im not pro or against these policies because 1. Its not my country and 2. The US got what they voted for, hes doing exactly what he said on the tin.

Obama deported more, thats factual. Obama paved the wsy for Trump, thats factual.
1. Not true, smartphones were already commonplace during the Obama years. Whilst tiktok didn't exist, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram and others like Snapchat were also well established.

2. There was tons of political division. Republicans were even having a go at Obama for wearing a tan suit and having mustard on his hotdog, plus the yearly fictional war on Christmas. They were constantly trying to frame him as an autocratic dictator who ignored the rule of law. Given that, you want to claim they wouldn't have jumped on the opportunity to use ICE incidents to attack him?

3. Focused efforts is correct. Meanwhile Trump is wielding it like a sledgehammer and using it to actively threaten entire states. Not much of a threat if they're not going ahead with it.

4. Not as bad as now but it was definitely radicalised during the Obama era. The left despised the right after what Bush did and the right despised Obama and attempted to block absolutely everything he did whilst portraying him as a dictator. The difference was the reasoning, the string dislikes of Bush was for real things like Iraq and his mishandling of the hurricane Katrina response. Dislike for Obama was largely from fabricated things like the war on Christmas, Katrina (yes I saw Republicans who blamed him for that), the financial crisis (real but happened under Bush), claims he was going to ignore the Constitution and have a 3rd term, claims the supreme court was full of lefty activist judges (it had a right wing majority his entire term) etc.
 

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