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[dirty harry]

I agree about giving leeway to leaders during covid. Not drink bleach leeway though.

Bleach, Horse Dewormer, there were claims a lot of people were taking a lot of stupid things hahaha

 

[Saintjay]

THats not accurate though is it, France and Germany were threatened in 2003 for resisting the urge to invade with the US, infact didnt John Kerry make the claim Bush had weakened the UN, and was trying to coerce France and Germany into a war. Biden said it was the end of NATO (not a direct quote lol).

Also he is absolutely throwing his weight around with Russia, taking their ships out of the water, srealing their arms market in the gulf, taking up to 50 billion of investment from Venezuela, arguably elongating the Ukrainian war, increasing NATO funding and readiness, not to mention sanctions etc... the idea Trump isnt brave enough is silly, hes absolutely brave / ego driven / stupid enough.

I think Chinas a different story, for all the little pushing hes done there he seems to have found significant pushback enough to not want to go further.

I would also add, every republican and democray politician is probably in the 25% regardless of what they say openly, they want those resources as much as Trump does.

Every major operation has involved the support of a number of countries that he's hits with tariffs. Not every country in every operation. So yes i was accurate you are just being pedantic.

Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2, Afghanistan, Libya, Yugoslavia bombings. Syria. There is probably more. Now point out one that didn't involve at least one country he's just hit with tariffs.

And you really think he's throwing his weight around with Russia. Well you do you I guess

 

[Faith Richard]

I'd rather a "No Sealions"

Nice one there

 

[Which Tyler]

The man finds it easier to lie than to breathe

 

[Seeker]

Kudos to the Euro leaders who are standing up to the Orange menace. I'm embarrassed he's our President. I've never voted for him for obvious reasons.

 

[dirty harry]

Every major operation has involved the support of a number of countries that he's hits with tariffs. Not every country in every operation. So yes i was accurate you are just being pedantic.

Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2, Afghanistan, Libya, Yugoslavia bombings. Syria. There is probably more. Now point out one that didn't involve at least one country he's just hit with tariffs.

And you really think he's throwing his weight around with Russia. Well you do you I guess

Christ that was a pivot, what has having allied help in operations got to do with anything, its not like those same countries arent still involved and assisting in US operations is it? The whole point of this discussion is that the vast majority of Trumps actiins arent unprecedented, and threatening allies is absolutely not unprecendented for the USA, especially in difficult times.

Wait, do you think Russia is happy with their investment loss in Venezuela? Theyre happy to havr lost their arms market? They are applauding Trump taking their ships out of the water? That theyre happy NATOs funding and preperations have increased? Or that theyre happy theyre sphere of influence even localy has been reduced to such a point that US and european nations are eradicating ISIS and co in Syria, a job Russia used to perform, or even that they no showed in an Egypt peace summit becausr it was US led?
These are easily identifiable facts, without even considering sssumptions about other actions designed to keep Russia engaged and under pressure.

You dont, i know you dont, because to make the claim anything other than Russia is on its knees, desperate for sanctions to drop and European markets to open back up to them would be at best niaive.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Christ that was a pivot, what has having allied help in operations got to do with anything, its not like those same countries arent still involved and assisting in US operations is it? The whole point of this discussion is that the vast majority of Trumps actiins arent unprecedented, and threatening allies is absolutely not unprecendented for the USA, especially in difficult times.

Wait, do you think Russia is happy with their investment loss in Venezuela? Theyre happy to havr lost their arms market? They are applauding Trump taking their ships out of the water? That theyre happy NATOs funding and preperations have increased? Or that theyre happy theyre sphere of influence even localy has been reduced to such a point that US and european nations are eradicating ISIS and co in Syria, a job Russia used to perform, or even that they no showed in an Egypt peace summit becausr it was US led?
These are easily identifiable facts, without even considering sssumptions about other actions designed to keep Russia engaged and under pressure.

You dont, i know you dont, because to make the claim anything other than Russia is on its knees, desperate for sanctions to drop and European markets to open back up to them would be at best niaive.

Which president has talked about Greenland as Trump has? Which president engaged in a fake elector plot to overturn an election? Which president had a crypto coin named after them during their presidency to further enrich themselves?

 

[dirty harry]

Which president has talked about Greenland as Trump has? Which president engaged in a fake elector plot to overturn an election? Which president had a crypto coin named after them during their presidency to further enrich themselves?

Talked about, or talked about aqcuring it? Because noones talked about anything the way he has, hes not politician. However the US has formerly made an offer to buy it previously, and presidenrs and their cabinets have shown interest over the last 60 years. As i said previously, every member of congress might critixise him for this, but they all have their fingers crossed it happens because they want it as much as he does, especially for less than a trillion! Alaska turned out to be one of the best land purchases in history, why wouldnt Greenland be similar?

If by Crypto you mean access to new investments, and underhanded strategies of investing for personal wealth... EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM! why do you think every politician goes from personal wealthnin the thousands to millions within a few years? Infact wasnt Trumps first term the 1st time ever a president didnt gain massive personal wealth?

 

[Welsh Exile]

Talked about, or talked about aqcuring it? Because noones talked about anything the way he has, hes not politician. However the US has formerly made an offer to buy it previously, and presidenrs and their cabinets have shown interest over the last 60 years. As i said previously, every member of congress might critixise him for this, but they all have their fingers crossed it happens because they want it as much as he does, especially for less than a trillion! Alaska turned out to be one of the best land purchases in history, why wouldnt Greenland be similar?

If by Crypto you mean access to new investments, and underhanded strategies of investing for personal wealth... EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM! why do you think every politician goes from personal wealthnin the thousands to millions within a few years? Infact wasnt Trumps first term the 1st time ever a president didnt gain massive personal wealth?

Do you think there is anything different between what Truman did i.e going through dimolomatic back channels in secret and people only finding out about it decades later after it was declassified? Oh yeah, Denmark just said no and that was that. Bit different to what Trump is doing. You could also it say it is unprecedented

Fake elector plot. Unprecedented

No sitting president has used the brand of the presidency , while president, to further enrich themselves the way Trump has with Trump coin.

 

[dirty harry]

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The man finds it easier to lie than to breathe

His statememt is more true than yours is...

Your last 4 or 5 comments are the perfect example of what im talking about @Ragey Erasmus !

The conspiracy theory Trump is trying to use the Insurrection act to block 26 elections is dumb, or malicious.

That monstrous list was dumb, or malicious.

This post, like NATO AND Denmark havnt been warning about Russias influence and development in the Arctic for 20 years, is either dumb or malicious.

So now, when Trump makes remarks like the one above, that isnt false, but is framed in a way that lends itself to his stance, Which Tyler is proved unreliable, over and over, and his criticism of Trump can be filed away as TDS by hos supporters, and independants alike.

 

[Saintjay]

Christ that was a pivot, what has having allied help in operations got to do with anything, its not like those same countries arent still involved and assisting in US operations is it? The whole point of this discussion is that the vast majority of Trumps actiins arent unprecedented, and threatening allies is absolutely not unprecendented for the USA, especially in difficult times.

Wait, do you think Russia is happy with their investment loss in Venezuela? Theyre happy to havr lost their arms market? They are applauding Trump taking their ships out of the water? That theyre happy NATOs funding and preperations have increased? Or that theyre happy theyre sphere of influence even localy has been reduced to such a point that US and european nations are eradicating ISIS and co in Syria, a job Russia used to perform, or even that they no showed in an Egypt peace summit becausr it was US led?
These are easily identifiable facts, without even considering sssumptions about other actions designed to keep Russia engaged and under pressure.

You dont, i know you dont, because to make the claim anything other than Russia is on its knees, desperate for sanctions to drop and European markets to open back up to them would be at best niaive.

 

[dirty harry]

Do you think there is anything different between what Truman did i.e going through dimolomatic back channels in secret and people only finding out about it decades later after it was declassified? Oh yeah, Denmark just said no and that was that. Bit different to what Trump is doing. You could also it say it is unprecedented

Fake elector plot. Unprecedented

No sitting president has used the brand of the presidency , while president, to further enrich themselves the way Trump has with Trump coin.

EVery situation is different, my point is the US has wanted Greenland for 60 years, presidents and their cabinets have discussed it, Trump is just actioning more, and is a different negotiator. Do you think every serious politician (not including the stupid AOC types) hasnt got their fingers crossed he aqcuires Greenland?

Whats unprecedented, Trump wanting Greenland? No. Trump threatening allied countries? No. It is unprecedented if you specify those 2 actions tofether, and add that the antagonist was orange, but in that case everything Obama did was unprecedented no?

Every sitting president has used his brand as president to enrich himself, Obama wasnt paid a 64 million book deal or 500k a speaking engagement for his anecdotes of big Mike hahahaha

Every penny they make is based off their presidential brand, and no im not buying Michelle Obamas claims they barely made ends meet because the Whitehouse is expensive lol.

 

[Welsh Exile]

EVery situation is different, my point is the US has wanted Greenland for 60 years, presidents and their cabinets have discussed it, Trump is just actioning more, and is a different negotiator. Do you think every serious politician (not including the stupid AOC types) hasnt got their fingers crossed he aqcuires Greenland?

Whats unprecedented, Trump wanting Greenland? No. Trump threatening allied countries? No. It is unprecedented if you specify those 2 actions tofether, and add that the antagonist was orange, but in that case everything Obama did was unprecedented no?

Every sitting president has used his brand as president to enrich himself, Obama wasnt paid a 64 million book deal or 500k a speaking engagement for his anecdotes of big Mike hahahaha

Every penny they make is based off their presidential brand, and no im not buying Michelle Obamas claims they barely made ends meet because the Whitehouse is expensive lol.

You’re doing this thing again where you compare apples and oranges.

Politicians have grown wealthy before, but no prior sitting president launched a speculative asset branded with their own name while in office. That is not the same as doing a book deal or going on the uni talk circuit after you’ve left office. You see that right? I mean, you see the differences here just as you do between Truman and Trump with Greenland?

 

[ncurd]

Guys seriously stop engaging with Harry. This is driving me insane theres serious **** to talk about and they are adding literally nothing to the conversation with these back and forths. They'll never answer a direct question and engages in complete bad faith arguments.

 

[dirty harry]

You’re doing this thing again where you compare apples and oranges.

Politicians have grown wealthy before, but no prior sitting president launched a speculative asset branded with their own name while in office. That is not the same as doing a book deal or going on the uni talk circuit after you’ve left office. You see that right? I mean, you see the differences here just as you do between Truman and Trump with Greenland?

What are you talking about? Every campaigning president sells merch with their name on it lol (you know im being facesious).

Tell me, whats the difference between launching a Trump crypto coin at the start of term 2, and lets say signing a 65 million dollar book deal at the end of your 2nd, combined with the intel sharing and brand management (i wont call it insider trading, but we all know it is)? The difference is audience, Trumps selling to the public, the others sell to private doners, shadowy entities and masisve corporations.

Look at the Clintons disgraceful dealings, a man who was Presdient, and his wife who had direct access, knowledge and power over funding to Universities, suddenly rake in 7 million dollars when he leaves office from speaking fees! How is that legal? Pelosi is the highest profile, but theyre all at it, they all move their stocks days or even hours before legislation that massively effects that stock...

Now i can say Trump enriching himself in office is wrong (even if it was a Truth social move that recouped his losses), including crypto, stocks shares, businesses etc, but why would you pretend this is the first time a president enriched himself from office, considering Bushes equity firms and oil companies lol. The fact is theyre all at it, whether its stocks, shares, business dealings, charity organisations, crypto, or hand shakes of perks post presidency for doing the right thing, money in American politics is a problem! Like i saidni would at least caveat that that Trump was the first president, certainky in my lifetime to sacrifice personal wealth for his presidency (even if he planned long term to gain, it wasnt guarenteed), and at least his Crypto scam is open and public, unlike most of what every other president has done.

It amazes me that i end up defending Trumps behaviour, when i dislike it so much, purely because its typical, but for some reason you guys hold this gold plated fairy unreal standard to all other politicians lol

 

[Welsh Exile]

What are you talking about? Every campaigning president sells merch with their name on it!

Tell me, whats the difference between launching a Trump crypto coin at the start of term 2, and lets say signing a 65 million dollar book deal at the end of your 2nd, combined with the intel sharing and brand management (i wont call it insider trading, but we all know it is)? The difference is audience, Trumps selling to the public, the others sell to private doners, shadowy entities and masisve corporations.

Look at the Clintons disgraceful dealings, a man who was Presdient, and his wife who had direct access, knowledge and power over funding to Universities, suddenly rake in 7 million dollars when he leaves office from speaking fees! How is that legal? Pelosi is the highest profile, but theyre all at it, they all move their stocks days or even hours before legislation that massively effects that stock...

Now i can say Trump enriching himself in office is wrong (even if it was a Truth social move that recouped his losses), including crypto, stocks shares, businesses etc, but why would you pretend this is the first time a president enriched himself from office, considering Bushes equity firms and oil companies lol. The fact is theyre all at it, whether its stocks, shares, business dealings, charity organisations, crypto, or hand shakes of perks post presidency for doing the right thing, money in American politics is a problem! Like i saidni would at least caveat that that Trump was the first president, certainky in my lifetime to sacrifice personal wealth for his presidency (even if he planned long term to gain, it wasnt guarenteed), and at least his Crypto scam is open and public, unlike most of what every other president has done.

It amazes me that i end up defending Trumps behaviour, when i dislike it so much, purely because its typical, but for some reason you guys hold this gold plated fairy unreal standard to all other politicians lol

Because one is dong it after they’ve left office and the other is using the presidency and doing it while in office. Come on mate.

 

[dirty harry]

Because one is dong it after they’ve left office and the other is using the presidency and doing it while in office. Come on mate.

THey inside trade while in the job of course, the amount of them that have done it is wild. But i suppose a US president who owned equity firms and oil companies just happened to preside in office over a 5 year period, including a war in the middle east that saw a 6x hike in oil prices... total fluke, nothing to see there. Maybe the another increasing hundreds of millions of dollars of funding to universities, and then recieving 7 million in the years after he left office, nothing to see there either?


Im sure your right, every US president whos personal wealth grows 10x 25x and 50x just after they leave office never do anything underhanded while in office, it just always works out well for them, through sheer luck.

Come on mate tour not that niaive, theyre all in on it, and its all wrong.

AGain, ill give Biden a repreive here, he was too busy clinging to life, and hos family affairs are hardly in order to benefit too much, well ,unless you count Hunter reaping wild financial rewards while he was in the whotehouse as Vice president? Does that count?

 

[Saintjay]

It's like blaming the UK for who gets a Brit award. Absolutely mental. All Stephen Miller talking points -

Dear Jonas:
Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.

Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a “right of ownership” anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also. I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland.
Thank you!
President DJT

Trump tells Norway he no longer feels obligation to think only of peace

President Donald Trump has told Norway's prime minister in a letter that he no longer feels obligated "to think purely of Peace" because he had not been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, and he repeated his demand for control of Greenland.

www.reuters.com

 

[Welsh Exile]

THey inside trade while in the job of course, the amount of them that have done it is wild. But i suppose a US president who owned equity firms and oil companies just happened to preside in office over a 5 year period, including a war in the middle east that saw a 6x hike in oil prices... total fluke, nothing to see there. Maybe the another increasing hundreds of millions of dollars of funding to universities, and then recieving 7 million in the years after he left office, nothing to see there either?


Im sure your right, every US president whos personal wealth grows 10x 25x and 50x just after they leave office never do anything underhanded while in office, it just always works out well for them, through sheer luck.

Come on mate tour not that niaive, theyre all in on it, and its all wrong.

AGain, ill give Biden a repreive here, he was too busy clinging to life, and hos family affairs are hardly in order to benefit too much, well ,unless you count Hunter reaping wild financial rewards while he was in the whotehouse as Vice president? Does that count?

You got any evidence for any of this.

I can’t believe you actually think doing a uni talk circuit after your presidency ends or writing a book, again after you presidency ends (all of which is totally legal and fine by the way) is the same as a president brazenly launching a volatile unregulated, crypto currency named after him WHILE IN OFFICE.

Next you’ll be saying Biden admin selling “BIDEN 2020” t-shirts in the run up to the 2020 election the same thing.

 

[dirty harry]

You got any evidence for any of this.

I can’t believe you actually think doing a uni talk circuit after your presidency ends or writing a book, again after you presidency ends (all of which is totally legal and fine by the way) is the same as a president brazenly launching a volatile unregulated, crypto currency named after him WHILE IN OFFICE.

Next you’ll be saying Biden admin selling “BIDEN 2020” t-shirts in the run up to the 2020 election the same thing.

Mate you just made the argument FOR pay to play lol.

Are you a Clinton?