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[Welsh Exile]

I absolutely agree Trump didnt enter politics for moral reasons, but your laughably niaive if you think those other 3 did lol. Infact i would say Trumps motivation for politics is absolutely bad, but his mindset for business and focus is a better asset than a lot of politicians who are either legacy (nepo), or advocate for culture and policy change.
Look at Timpson as an example, incredible guy, ive met him a few times, and listened to a speach on prison and culture reform a few years ago, hes not politically minded, hes very much passionate about an area he has spent a lot of time researching and atyempting to effect through his business. Im a fan, and i align with most of his progressive ideas, and its obvious since hes entered office hes been tunnel visioned, and hyper focused, without much if any political posturing or positioning (whivh while admirable may be a weakness long term).

Trumps transactiinal nature isnt necesarily bad for politics, most politicians are similar but with each other instead of internationally, neither is being business minded, the combination of ego and hubris however doesnt create a good mix.

My point of the comment though was to make the claim every politician on both sides of this shooting argument are absolutely lying about whats happened for political gain, I am yet to see 1 person acknowledge they dont know the situation exactly, which none of them do, and ask for calm heads while there is an invrstigation.

OMar called Good a 'bystander' and 'observer' which seems to be a categorical lie, and Noem called her a 'domestic terrorist' which is just as fictitious. There is no truth from anyone, the truth will eventually be whoever wins the framing!

Biden, Obama etc were ideologues. Trump has no ideology. He only cares about himself.

 

[dirty harry]

Vice President of the USA "That justifies being shot".

Oh LBC, if only you were as accurate as you were outraged....

THere are at least 5 major innacuracies in this clip, if anyone can find all 5 ill pay them 1 of the queens best pounds (yes i said what i said).

 

[dirty harry]

Biden, Obama etc were ideologues. Trump has no ideology. He only cares about himself.

I disagree with that, id consider him an idealogue by the definitions.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I disagree with that, id consider him an idealogue by the definitions.

Agree to disagree I suppose. I think if he needed to be left wing to win and enrich himself he’d turn into Lenin overnight.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

The Trump administration are just branding everyone terrorist now. Terrorist has an actual definition in law, it is not use to describe people who just commit criminal acts, engage in protected speech or simply disagree with you.

By branding all these people terrorists, they could be claimed to be tainting any juries as it's a completely false claim. There is no evidence of terrorist activity by Renee Nicole Good and if we did accept some criminal liability for hitting the ICE agent (it was definitely NOT an attempt to run him down, you can tell by how she's steering), that is not an act of terrorism.

Also ICE are not law enforcement, they aren't supposed to be getting involved unless it relates to someone's immigration status or at the request of local law enforcement. There's plenty of footage of them completely failing to apply the already low standards US police should adhere to, including frequently resorting to violence and attempting to prevent filming of their activities (which is allowed by law.)

 

[dirty harry]

Agree to disagree I suppose. I think if he needed to be left wing to win and enrich himself he’d turn into Lenin overnight.

I partially agree, but i dont think hed be any less nationalist, or anti media etc...

 

[Welsh Exile]

I partially agree, but i dont think hed be any less nationalist, or anti media etc...

If not being nationalist meant he got richer, more successful and won all the time you think he wouldn’t not be nationalist? Guaranteed he would.

His attitude towards the media is case in point. He LOVES the media that says how great he is. They’re fine. It’s just the ones that are critical of him he doesn’t like. His attitude towards everything is “how does this benefit me” it’s no deeper than that. It’s the same with the constitution.

 

[dirty harry]

If not being nationalist meant he got richer, more successful and won all the time you think he wouldn’t not be nationalist? Guaranteed he would.

His attitude towards the media is case in point. He LOVES the media that says how great he is. They’re fine. It’s just the ones that are critical of him he doesn’t like. His attitude towards everything is “how does this benefit me” it’s no deeper than that. It’s the same with the constitution.

NO, Trump has been a lifelong Democrat, New Yorker and Nationalist, he has railed against the Irag war as not US problem etc, i dont see why a lifelong behavior changing be ause of party selection (he was alsi a Democrat remember).

He may well have ran as a Democrat, but henwould have had the same battles with media, same thin skin, same America first ideals, like immigration etc that he had 20 ears before he run as a Republican.

Its like weve discussed previously, Trump enriching himself and his family, and legacy falls in line with America first policy, they are intertwined IMO.

 

[Saintjay]

Oh LBC, if only you were as accurate as you were outraged....

THere are at least 5 major innacuracies in this clip, if anyone can find all 5 ill pay them 1 of the queens best pounds (yes i said what i said).

Deploying the Tom.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

NO, Trump has been a lifelong Democrat, New Yorker and Nationalist, he has railed against the Irag war as not US problem etc, i dont see why a lifelong behavior changing be ause of party selection (he was alsi a Democrat remember).

He may well have ran as a Democrat, but henwould have had the same battles with media, same thin skin, same America first ideals, like immigration etc that he had 20 ears before he run as a Republican.

Its like weve discussed previously, Trump enriching himself and his family, and legacy falls in line with America first policy, they are intertwined IMO.

No he wasn't, that's a straight up lie. Trump was a Republican for most of his life and had a short stint as a Democrat. He was registered Republican in 1969, in 1987 a member of the independence party (which was made of Republicans), Reform party in 1999 (Headed by Ross Perot, an ex Republican), Democrat in 2001 then back to Republican in 2009.

 

[dirty harry]

The Trump administration are just branding everyone terrorist now. Terrorist has an actual definition in law, it is not use to describe people who just commit criminal acts, engage in protected speech or simply disagree with you.

By branding all these people terrorists, they could be claimed to be tainting any juries as it's a completely false claim. There is no evidence of terrorist activity by Renee Nicole Good and if we did accept some criminal liability for hitting the ICE agent (it was definitely NOT an attempt to run him down, you can tell by how she's steering), that is not an act of terrorism.

Also ICE are not law enforcement, they aren't supposed to be getting involved unless it relates to someone's immigration status or at the request of local law enforcement. There's plenty of footage of them completely failing to apply the already low standards US police should adhere to, including frequently resorting to violence and attempting to prevent filming of their activities (which is allowed by law.)

Aw mate i was on board with the Terorism rhetoric, but you have to acknowledge ICE can absolutely arrest people. Under US code ICE agents are federal agents, and can absolutely arrest people who (i think the wording is) Assault, Impede, or resist them in their duties. This goes for performative democrats jumping into arrests at court houses, and middle aged mums of 3 who follow ICE and block the road (potentially). So your view of them 'failing to apply' low standards ofnlaw enforcement is seemingly underpinned by misperception. I havent seen any footage of ICE arresting people for filming, but would be happy to condemn that if you can provide some.

Ultimately Good was not a terrorist IMO, even with the harshest of perception of her actions, attempting to run down an ICE agent with her car, it is a threat to life, but doesnt constitute intimidation or an attempt to influence policy (not directly anyway). But i dont thinknit helps that Dems are portaying her as a bystander, or award winning poet lol. She certainly put herself there, to what degree we will never know probably

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Aw mate i was on board with the Terorism rhetoric, but you have to acknowledge ICE can absolutely arrest people. Under US code ICE agents are federal agents, and can absolutely arrest people who (i think the wording is) Assault, Impede, or resist them in their duties. This goes for performative democrats jumping into arrests at court houses, and middle aged mums of 3 who follow ICE and block the road (potentially). So your view of them 'failing to apply' low standards ofnlaw enforcement is seemingly underpinned by misperception. I havent seen any footage of ICE arresting people for filming, but would be happy to condemn that if you can provide some.

Ultimately Good was not a terrorist IMO, even with the harshest of perception of her actions, attempting to run down an ICE agent with her car, it is a threat to life, but doesnt constitute intimidation or an attempt to influence policy (not directly anyway). But i dont thinknit helps that Dems are portaying her as a bystander, or award winning poet lol. She certainly put herself there, to what degree we will never know probably

I never said ICE can't arrest people, I said ICE aren't law enforcement. If the situation doesn't relate to immigration and is a general law enforcement issue, they are not supposed to be involved and do NOT have the authority to arrest. They are not a federal police force, they have a specific scope of jurisdiction and regular law enforcement is not part of that.

It's not even a strong case to say she attempted to run down an ICE agent. Looking at the video, she had the wheels turned all the way to the right (away from the agent) and it's clear her intent was getting away, not running him down. I think Dems suffer a lot less portraying he as innocent than Republicans do portraying her as a terrorist deserving death.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Deploying the Tom.

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I’m intrigued as to what the 5 inaccuracies were now. I’ve not even seen this video yet.

 

[dirty harry]

I never said ICE can't arrest people, I said ICE aren't law enforcement. If the situation doesn't relate to immigration and is a general law enforcement issue, they are not supposed to be involved and do NOT have the authority to arrest. They are not a federal police force, they have a specific scope of jurisdiction and regular law enforcement is not part of that.

It's not even a strong case to say she attempted to run down an ICE agent. Looking at the video, she had the wheels turned all the way to the right (away from the agent) and it's clear her intent was getting away, not running him down. I think Dems suffer a lot less portraying he as innocent than Republicans do portraying her as a terrorist deserving death.

Youll have yo forgive me, your coment:

"Also ICE are not law enforcement, they aren't supposed to be getting involved unless it relates to someone's immigration status or at the request of local law enforcement"

They can absolutely arrest those who park their car to block a road, or generally break the law in their presence or in the process of them performing their duties.

They are absolutely a federal agency, and absokutely law enforcement, under DHS, they are a reorganisation of federal agencies post 9/11. They absolutwly have the authority to arrest, not just in warrant cases regarding immigration, but in a wider scope as mentioned above, AND can arrest in more generic circumstances. These are misconceptions of what the agency is, or has powees to do. Similar to people screaming 'you have to identify, and show your face' in videos at them which they absolutwly do not have to do.i agree with your assessment of the video, shes trying to flea, in my view its just reckless panic.

I dont think either side is doing more or less than the other, Republicans have had more exposure given the press conferences etc recently. Frey calling ICE murderers and to 'get the **** out if my city' and Omar branding her a bystander and observer are just as untrue as her being called a terrorist

 

[Which Tyler]

Vice President of the USA "That justifies being shot".

"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Youll have yo forgive me, your coment:

"Also ICE are not law enforcement, they aren't supposed to be getting involved unless it relates to someone's immigration status or at the request of local law enforcement"

They can absolutely arrest those who park their car to block a road, or generally break the law in their presence or in the process of them performing their duties.

They are absolutely a federal agency, and absokutely law enforcement, under DHS, they are a reorganisation of federal agencies post 9/11. They absolutwly have the authority to arrest, not just in warrant cases regarding immigration, but in a wider scope as mentioned above, AND can arrest in more generic circumstances. These are misconceptions of what the agency is, or has powees to do. Similar to people screaming 'you have to identify, and show your face' in videos at them which they absolutwly do not have to do.i agree with your assessment of the video, shes trying to flea, in my view its just reckless panic.

I dont think either side is doing more or less than the other, Republicans have had more exposure given the press conferences etc recently. Frey calling ICE murderers and to 'get the **** out if my city' and Omar branding her a bystander and observer are just as untrue as her being called a terrorist

Yes they are federal agents but not, they are NOT a federal police force and do not have authority to carry out arrests unless it relates to their role of immigration enforcement or direct interference or threat to that duty. It's no different to saying the FBI should be going out catching shoplifters. Sure, an FBI agent could go out an arrest them but it is not in the scope of the agency to be doing that, that's for local law enforcement.

All of this is besides the point, they exercised lethal force and I think shouting from the rooftops in support of federal agents killing people and lying about the situation is worse than making out the woman was completely innocent. In addition asserting the woman was a terrorist, that she actually ran the agent over, that multiple agents were injured in the event and that the agents who shot her was recovering in hospital, all of which are lies.

 

[dirty harry]

"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

I found a 6th, but its a bit of a technicality so probably dorsnt warrent inclusion

 

[Gavin]

I found a 6th, but its a bit of a technicality so probably dorsnt warrent inclusion

We are on tenterhooks.

 

[dirty harry]

Yes they are federal agents but not, they are NOT a federal police force and do not have authority to carry out arrests unless it relates to their role of immigration enforcement or direct interference or threat to that duty. It's no different to saying the FBI should be going out catching shoplifters. Sure, an FBI agent could go out an arrest them but it is not in the scope of the agency to be doing that, that's for local law enforcement.

All of this is besides the point, they exercised lethal force and I think shouting from the rooftops in support of federal agents killing people and lying about the situation is worse than making out the woman was completely innocent. In addition asserting the woman was a terrorist, that she actually ran the agent over, that multiple agents were injured in the event and that the agents who shot her was recovering in hospital, all of which are lies.

Ok hang on, if im going to be keeping up with this much pivoting at least let me stretch...

ICE absolutely fit the term 'Federal police force' im not sure what you think the words law enforcement or police mean?

ICE agents, as youve said FBI do have powers to arrest those who break the law in their presence. Under US code, if they were to be on the street either executing orders or not, and they see you committing a crime, they absolutely can arresst you for it. Youre massively misinformed mate.

None of this is besides the point, you making the claim "ICE are not law enforcement, they aren't supposed to be getting involved unless it relates to someone's immigration status or at the request of local law enforcement" is categorically false. They absolutely are law enforcement, and not only can they get involved in any criminal activity, they have a legal responsibility to do so depending on the severity of the crime.

I cqn agree there wasnt justification to shoot Good, absolutely there wasnt IMO (what doni know lol) but to engage her they were absolutelty valid in doing so, based on the evidence ive seen of her car parked sideways blocking the road, her non complying with orders, statements that she purposefully made her way to the situation etc.. now if that changes, and it turns out say she got stuck in the snow while 3 point turning im front of ICE agents, she accidentally run into afyer the school run, and had a hearing defect etc, then ill change my opinion, like a reasonable rational purson.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I just watched the video (or a video).

The one I saw doesn’t look good.