• Help Support The Rugby Forum :

USA news & politics

This is what worries me most, with the instability caused by this pressure, Russia will react, and whereas i dont think they hold the type of threat European leaders are loving to scare populatiins with, you can only push them so far, id have hoped the UK would have been more thoughtful in their actions, thats bombings miles from Russias borders and now a joint venture to capture / steal a Russian ship ( I know the bombings are part of a longer campaign, and targetting certain groups, but its still a job Russia used to do itself, and the capacyity for mistakes and misinterpretation has risen), especially on the Maduro day.

Interestingly, MAGA supporters are talking about returning to Monroe Doctrine of like 1800, America stays out of Eurooe and Europe stays out of American affairs, firstly i dont think the understand the context of that, and secondly i think Trumps trying to entice Europe as a market.
In a weird way i think having US assets here helps prevent issues with Russia. As it currently stops any direct Russian action on the UK. You can't bang on about needing security with Greenland whilst pulling out of Europe.

Plus I don't think Putin is currently dumb enough for a direct attack on any Nato member. He's too busy burning through men and equipment in the Ukraine. Russians reaction to the US will be interesting i guess it will be pretty timid.

The UK government are making a emergency statement to the house shortly
 
Hey Guys, I realise you all have strong opinions on the whole MAGA etc stuff, but Dirty Harry is actually 100% right.

And that's coming from someone who disagrees with what Trump has done in taking over Venezuela and threatening Greenland.

And yes, I think Trumpet is a ginormous fukwit, BUT if you look at the reasons for what he is doing, without having your particular political glasses on, his choices have been founded in sensibility. He's just gone about it in his typical arsehole way

UH oh, thats it your a MAGA, and you can now be disregarded of any opinion ever lol.

No seriously though, there are arguments to be made, Trump loves breaking the mould, loves a cheeky 'first' infact i bet he trolls youtube comment sections and types 'first comment' lol. Korean border cross, hosting Putin, and a broader return to Strength based order (lets be honest its probably all legacy based) but does this open the USA up?

The down side of this agression is stressing allied relationships, inhave the sneaking suspicion many are in on the strategy, as i said above Starmers responses and now joint actions lean into US relations at a time when Starmer is saying no you cant have Greenland lol.

Im also not sure where China slots in, Taiwan is the hot button issue, i honestly thought this was so reckless Taiwan was being treated like a pawn and being wiped off the board, but maybe China dont have the chops to deal with someone as chaotic as Trump? Who knows?!
 
In a weird way i think having US assets here helps prevent issues with Russia. As itcurrently stops any direct Russian action on the UK.

Plus I don't think Putin is currently dumb enough for a direct attack on any Nato member. He's too busy burning through men and equipment in the Ukraine.

The war is definately draining, and we over the last year are seeing cracks of weakness shown, the high tech sinking of the Russian sub they tried to cover up, the lack of political influence, even no shoeing in Egyptian peace talks, the ground battles they shouldnt have lost, and the huge investment in Latin America just gone... these are humiliations, ones we are not used to seeing, now im not saying they are not a threat, or capable, but it feels to me like the instability in Ukraine is purposefully being instigated by Trump, to keep Russia invested in a ground assault that ultimately means little, while their larger strategic positions get cut off.

Its a good point though, is the UK safer staying out of it, or nuzzling into the US neck? Who knows.
 
Hey Guys, I realise you all have strong opinions on the whole MAGA etc stuff, but Dirty Harry is actually 100% right.

And that's coming from someone who disagrees with what Trump has done in taking over Venezuela and threatening Greenland.

And yes, I think Trumpet is a ginormous fukwit, BUT if you look at the reasons for what he is doing, without having your particular political glasses on, his choices have been founded in sensibility. He's just gone about it in his typical arsehole way
IF Trump was trying to undermine Russia, he wouldn't be parroting their talking points almost verbatim and constantly leaning heavily in their favour in Ukraine. Trump's frequent berating and threats against Denmark have done more damage to NATO than any other president. None of the USA's allies view them as reliable any more, and many now view the relationship as a confrontational one. Putin would value that way over influence in Venezuela. Venezuela has oil, a commodity Russia is in no short supply of. Trump has single handedly driven a wedge between the USA and the rest of the developed world and the USA is now more isolated than ever. If Putin was presented with keeping influence in Venezuela or the destruction of NATO and a USA that is confrontational with Europe, which do you think he'd choose?

Remember it's not mere assertion to say he will happily utilise the tools of state for petty vindictiveness, we saw it in his first term when he attempted to blackmail Ukraine. Remember Zelenskyy was the president back then too and Trump has shown he holds a grudge. What part of the 4D chess was it when he publicly humiliated Zelenskyy in the Whitehouse? If the end goal was to undermine Russia, you DON'T do that by carrying out one of the most pathetic diplomatic dressing downs of your suppose ally whilst literally rolling out the red carpet for the supposed enemy. It is exactly what a petty, vindictive prick would do though.

At the height of the cold war when the USA was trying to undermine the USSR, they didn't do it by turning all their allies against them. We have an abundance of evidence of how Trump operates that is beyond question. The current events are very much not beyond question. Syria happened before he entered office and the incidents with Iran served Israeli interests more than American. Venezuela is simply about seizing oil supplies. It's trying to claim a pattern of behaviour whilst the most clear and obvious sign that would validate that pattern of behaviour (Unequivocal US opposition to Russia in Ukraine) is absent.

The man has never displayed any aptitude for long term thinking or grasping complex issues, those who worked with him openly stated as much (the only president to have so many people who previously worked for him stating how unfit for office he is). All this stuff is attempting to read between the lines whilst ignoring what is in plain sight. It reminds me a lot of Creationists, where "evidence" is made by looking at things and creating a web of reasoning to link it together to try to justify it whilst ignoring absolutely everything that is clear and obvious in front of them.
 
IF Trump was trying to undermine Russia, he wouldn't be parroting their talking points almost verbatim and constantly leaning heavily in their favour in Ukraine. Trump's frequent berating and threats against Denmark have done more damage to NATO than any other president. None of the USA's allies view them as reliable any more, and many now view the relationship as a confrontational one. Putin would value that way over influence in Venezuela. Venezuela has oil, a commodity Russia is in no short supply of. Trump has single handedly driven a wedge between the USA and the rest of the developed world and the USA is now more isolated than ever. If Putin was presented with keeping influence in Venezuela or the destruction of NATO and a USA that is confrontational with Europe, which do you think he'd choose?

Remember it's not mere assertion to say he will happily utilise the tools of state for petty vindictiveness, we saw it in his first term when he attempted to blackmail Ukraine. Remember Zelenskyy was the president back then too and Trump has shown he holds a grudge. What part of the 4D chess was it when he publicly humiliated Zelenskyy in the Whitehouse? If the end goal was to undermine Russia, you DON'T do that by carrying out one of the most pathetic diplomatic dressing downs of your suppose ally whilst literally rolling out the red carpet for the supposed enemy. It is exactly what a petty, vindictive prick would do though.

At the height of the cold war when the USA was trying to undermine the USSR, they didn't do it by turning all their allies against them. We have an abundance of evidence of how Trump operates that is beyond question. The current events are very much not beyond question. Syria happened before he entered office and the incidents with Iran served Israeli interests more than American. Venezuela is simply about seizing oil supplies. It's trying to claim a pattern of behaviour whilst the most clear and obvious sign that would validate that pattern of behaviour (Unequivocal US opposition to Russia in Ukraine) is absent.

The man has never displayed any aptitude for long term thinking or grasping complex issues, those who worked with him openly stated as much (the only president to have so many people who previously worked for him stating how unfit for office he is). All this stuff is attempting to read between the lines whilst ignoring what is in plain sight. It reminds me a lot of Creationists, where "evidence" is made by looking at things and creating a web of reasoning to link it together to try to justify it whilst ignoring absolutely everything that is clear and obvious in front of them.

The entirity of this sililiquay only rings true if you ignore the 6, or 7 damaging actions against Russia, and if you exagerate his dealings with Allies to the absurd, while being offended by his words...

The problem is you being offended, hasnt stopped the UK mobilising with the US today, and doesnt address how negatively effected Russia has been in the last 6 months, Arms markets, political influence, troops on the ground, energy production and mineral aqcuisition, not one sane person would argue that Russia is in a stronger, nay, even a similar position in all these areas than they were 12 months ago, there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary, regardless of how upsetting his unhinged rants and chaotic nature he has.

To quote the legend Mr Shapiro 'Facts dont care about your feelings'!
 

Disgraceful comments from every angle, Noem playing immediate defence for the officers, Waltz telling people not to listen to the 'propoganda machine' and that ICE arent making people safe, and the victim is referred to as an 'individuals child'. At least he ended it by telling people to stay peaceful, a bit Jan 6th ish.

MAyor Frey telling ICE to 'get the **** out of my city'

Omar though, she went with 'repregensible' and she called the driver 'a legal observer'

Ive seen the videos, she certainly wasnt a passer by or legal observer, she absolutely floored the vehicle when guns were pointed at her and being told to get out of the car, does she deserve to die no, but did she put herself in a stupid position yes.

I dont subscribe to the Noem idea that she tried to kill 2 agents and one was injured in the attack, well not frkm what ive seen, i think the important element is that rational and cool heads have gone out the window, and in every single incident regardless of blame both sides of the isle are screaming bloody murder no matter what!

Makes me respect Bedinoch a little more watching these fools act the way they do
 
The entirity of this sililiquay only rings true if you ignore the 6, or 7 damaging actions against Russia, and if you exagerate his dealings with Allies to the absurd, while being offended by his words...

The problem is you being offended, hasnt stopped the UK mobilising with the US today, and doesnt address how negatively effected Russia has been in the last 6 months, Arms markets, political influence, troops on the ground, energy production and mineral aqcuisition, not one sane person would argue that Russia is in a stronger, nay, even a similar position in all these areas than they were 12 months ago, there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary, regardless of how upsetting his unhinged rants and chaotic nature he has.

To quote the legend Mr Shapiro 'Facts dont care about your feelings'!
Yet you happily ignore the facts such as Trump constantly undermining NATO, allies and refusing to side squarely against Russia in Ukraine.

Simple question, if Trump's plan is to undermine Russia then why is he doing the opposite in Ukraine, where he could very easily undermine them for absolutely no political capital whatsoever. He'd get to strengthen the ties with allies, make Putin look weak internationally, tie up huge amounts of Russian military equipment for destruction and draw away their resources from pretty much all global events all the while looking like the good guy.

I'd be inclined to believe he was attempting to undermine Russia if it wasn't shown in the very obvious case where he should be that he isn't. Trump has spent vastly more time supporting Russias claims than opposing them, whilst he has been doing the opposite in Ukraine.

The UK mobilised to assist because of realpolitik. We're hoping to avoid negative consequences from a proven loose cannon and vindictive **** and the hope we can maintain a relationship with the USA when he's gone.

Say Trump did nothing, Syria still would have fallen, Iran still most likely would have been attacked. You know what has most weakened Russia's influence globally? The war in Ukraine, the very thing that Trump is refusing to turn the screw on them for, the very thing you desperately ignore.

Tell me, what does the USA gain by alienating itself internationally? All Trump has done is made it so America's allies are looking at contingency planning to separate themselves from the USA.

Funny how you talk about facts not caring about feelings when discussing Trump, a guy who clearly is driven by his feelings to an unhealthy extent for a world leader... You also frequently want to ignore the fact he's had more ex staffers publicly state how unfit he is for office mentally and emotionally than any president, and that includes Reagan who was senile...
 
Ragey, I would hardly call NATO an ally... They have consistently been shown to have no balls at all.

Also, the Russia Vs Ukrane war is much messier than just Big man vs Small man. Ukraine is no poor, weak country fighting against its oppressor. Ukraine is and has been well known for being an incredibly corrupt country, just not necessarily in the wider media.

BUT no i am not saying that Russia deserves or should have ukraine or and ukraine shouldnt be supported. All I'm saying is that it's way more in-depth than face value.

The Ukraine/Russia war and everything that has happened lately have shown that Russia is nowhere near as strong as they think/ public perception think they are
 
I havent looked into it particularly, but i am struggling to understand why Trumpet is getting up in arms with Denmark. Although I do understand why he would want Greenland.
 
Ragey, I would hardly call NATO an ally... They have consistently been shown to have no balls at all.

Also, the Russia Vs Ukrane war is much messier than just Big man vs Small man. Ukraine is no poor, weak country fighting against its oppressor. Ukraine is and has been well known for being an incredibly corrupt country, just not necessarily in the wider media.

BUT no i am not saying that Russia deserves or should have ukraine or and ukraine shouldnt be supported. All I'm saying is that it's way more in-depth than face value.

The Ukraine/Russia war and everything that has happened lately have shown that Russia is nowhere near as strong as they think/ public perception think they are
European nations have shown no balls, I won't argue with that and it's been a political gripe of mine for years, although likely for different reasons to you. I've long advocated for Europe to bolster it's defences and I'm a believer that European nations only survive in the future if they form a federal state. As they currently are, they are too divided to coherently tackle the big players as Russian, China and the USA have all demonstrated. A federal Europe with a suitable military and combined economy would not have been pushed around so easily. Unfortunately I feel the same divide and rule tactics European nations employed during the colonial era to great success are going to be applied back on Europe with similar success. I can't see Europe uniting and I think it is a continent in decay with delusions of their own importance and superiority. 20 years ago, the EU combined economies were larger than the USA. Now, they are about 75% the size. Even factoring in Brexit, they've still been outstripped by the USA. The USA has a can-do attitude to innovation, Europe has a can't-do attitude. It is staggering that with all the wealth and education, Europe lags so badly behind the USA and Asian nations like Japan, South Korea and Taiwan in tech.

A particular example which sticks in my mind with this is in Britain we developed a technology called the Sabre engine with a company called Reaction Engines. This is a combined jet/rocket engine that had the potential to have drastically cut the cost of space travel by essentially allowing the creation of space-faring planes that could utilise standard runways and take up a fraction of the fuel costs whilst being reusable. The technology had been proven and the advance air cooling was truly revolutionary. What happened? The investors pulled the plug and the British government refused to support it so now it's dead. The chance for Britain to carve out a huge niche in the space industry just dropped, even as their concepts were being proven to work.

Nobody is saying Ukraine is perfect by any stretch of the imagination but it is still the case of an autocratic regime with a history of violence against it's neighbours attempting a land grab against a neighbour (again). Bear in mind Russia played a pretty big role in creating the corruption in Ukraine as it had it's fingers all through it's political system prior to the Euromaidan. In fact it was Russia attempting to corruptly exert more control over Ukraine which kicked off the Euromaidan in the first place, as they got their puppet president to unilaterally declare Ukraine was not going to look for closer integration with the EU and instead would integrate with Russia, flying in the face of what he had campaigned on.

In addition, western nations and Russia had signed an agreement that, in exchange for Ukraine giving up it's nuclear arsenal, it's security would be guaranteed by both sides. Russian tore that up twice and the west refused to honour it. They got completely screwed over.

The issue of corruption in Ukraine and the issue of their territorial integrity and sovereignty are not linked. Russia isn't invading Ukraine to fix issues with corruption. As part of attempting to join the EU, Ukraine would have been pressured to deal with the corruption. That has been blown apart quite literally now.

Indeed Russia is nowhere near as strong as people thought, which is why it's crazy that Europe are so powerless to stand up to them. Russia's economy is smaller than Italy's and the combined armies of the UK, France and Germany could most likely pummel the Russians at this stage, yet Europe is too feeble and cowardly to take the necessary action. However the point stands, if Trump is attempting to undermine Russia, THIS is the key battleground to do it. It's had more impact on Russia than any other world event and yet at no point has the USA really turned the screw on Russia, yet they have turned the screw on Ukraine repeatedly. This flies in the face of the claim Trump's actions are calculated to bring Russia down.
 
Last edited:
Ragey, I would hardly call NATO an ally... They have consistently been shown to have no balls at all.

Also, the Russia Vs Ukrane war is much messier than just Big man vs Small man. Ukraine is no poor, weak country fighting against its oppressor. Ukraine is and has been well known for being an incredibly corrupt country, just not necessarily in the wider media.

BUT no i am not saying that Russia deserves or should have ukraine or and ukraine shouldnt be supported. All I'm saying is that it's way more in-depth than face value.

The Ukraine/Russia war and everything that has happened lately have shown that Russia is nowhere near as strong as they think/ public perception think they are
Rubbish. It’s really not complicated. Putin is a grade A ****. Ukraine did noting to warrant being invaded. Russia had no justification and is 100% in the wrong and I’m sad to say what you’re saying is just BS apologetic nonsense.
 
Ragey, I would hardly call NATO an ally... They have consistently been shown to have no balls at all.

Also, the Russia Vs Ukrane war is much messier than just Big man vs Small man. Ukraine is no poor, weak country fighting against its oppressor. Ukraine is and has been well known for being an incredibly corrupt country, just not necessarily in the wider media.

BUT no i am not saying that Russia deserves or should have ukraine or and ukraine shouldnt be supported. All I'm saying is that it's way more in-depth than face value.

The Ukraine/Russia war and everything that has happened lately have shown that Russia is nowhere near as strong as they think/ public perception think they are
Would that be the Nato the US are in command of in Europe?

Compared to population size, military etc you can not compare the Ukraine and Russia. Nobody is doubting Ukraine has issues with corruption. Compared to Russia it's the virgin bloody Mary.
 
Regarding corruption,it is not. If you'd ever lived in both and seen/known things from inside,you'd be really surprised
I can only defer to your knowledge on that. My experiences are mainly based on experience with Russian organised crime in Cyprus and Egypt which was pretty bad.

 
I can only defer to your knowledge on that
You can believe me, I have relatives and friends in very high/rich circles in both countries and saw/heard pretty a lot of interesting things. Especially regarding petrol stations industry.Also had some small personal experience (bad one unfortunately).

there are many....many studies showing russia to be very corrupt (along with lots of other countries)
All the post Soviet countries are incredibly corrupted unfortunately
 
You can believe me, I have relatives and friends in very high/rich circles in both countries and saw/heard pretty a lot of interesting things. Especially regarding petrol stations industry.Also had some small personal experience (bad one unfortunately).


All the post Soviet countries are incredibly corrupted unfortunately
There’s corrupt then there’s not having legitimate elections, killing political opponents and not having a free press and instead having a state propaganda Putin machine.
 

Latest posts

Back
Top