The Ukraine War thread

[ncurd]

How many countries hold elections while being invaded?

It's actually against Ukraine law to hold them...

Hey Putin could allow free and fair elections by completely withdrawing!

 

[BrokenWing]

Trump calls Zelenskyy a ‘dictator’ who should ‘move fast’ or lose country as row with Ukraine leader worsens – Europe live

US president attacks Ukraine leader after Zelenskyy says Trump is living in a Russian ‘disinformation bubble’

www.theguardian.com

With friends like these...

"Man accused of disinformation hits back with more disinformation"

 

[TommiG88]

If Biden was coming out with utter garbage that Trump has been spouting since his return, the media would question his sanity.

The preferential treatment this man gets. We live in a worrying world

 

[AlRums]

I question if Zelensky really wants the war to end? He is getting so much in foreign aid, over $30 billion in financial aid pretty much no questions asked and due to the constant continuations of martial law, is able to outlaw political parties and prevent any elections which ensures that he stays in power. His popularity has fallen, from 90% at the start of the war to about 55% currently and does not have a majority of support in the Eastern regions where the war has impacted the people the most as well as a greater percentage of ethnic Russians who are in favor of re-uniting those areas with Russia. He also is faced with polls that show that about 40% of people in Ukraine do not trust him.

I have never heard him talk about or mention a realistic end game to what has become a World War 1 style stalemate. He just keeps asking for more and more.

You're confusing Zelensky with trump

 

[AlRums]

Trump calls Zelenskyy a ‘dictator’ who should ‘move fast’ or lose country as row with Ukraine leader worsens – Europe live

US president attacks Ukraine leader after Zelenskyy says Trump is living in a Russian ‘disinformation bubble’

www.theguardian.com

With friends like these...

Funny, isn't it?

Zelensky won his election with 73% of the vote, numbers trump can only dream of with his paltry 48% not even half the votes.

 

[Which Tyler]

 

[Saintjay]

I question if Zelensky really wants the war to end? He is getting so much in foreign aid, over $30 billion in financial aid pretty much no questions asked and due to the constant continuations of martial law, is able to outlaw political parties and prevent any elections which ensures that he stays in power. His popularity has fallen, from 90% at the start of the war to about 55% currently and does not have a majority of support in the Eastern regions where the war has impacted the people the most as well as a greater percentage of ethnic Russians who are in favor of re-uniting those areas with Russia. He also is faced with polls that show that about 40% of people in Ukraine do not trust him.

I have never heard him talk about or mention a realistic end game to what has become a World War 1 style stalemate. He just keeps asking for more and more.

How do you get soldiers on a front line to go and vote. Without election interference being called.

Also how do you get the millions of displaced Ukrainians to go and vote.

His figures are still better than Trump's.

Based on your logic we should have let German keep hold of France, Holland etc. Would have saved the British a lot of time, hassle and money.

 

[Sour Patch Kid]

How do you get soldiers on a front line to go and vote. Without election interference being called.

Also how do you get the millions of displaced Ukrainians to go and vote.

His figures are still better than Trump's.

Based on your logic we should have let German keep hold of France, Holland etc. Would have saved the British a lot of time, hassle and money.

I am not suggesting that soldiers on the front line go vote, although the US military voted during World War 2 and they were spread out literally around the globe as they did in Korea and Vietnam but I understand the difficulties in the displaced people voting and how that impacts it. The extensions of martial law I know, prevent the election but my question was, is that a possible reason that Zelensky may not want the war to end? He went from being a relatively obscure comedian to the president of one of the most corrupt nations in Europe who people still did not really know until the invasion and this seemingly stalemated war would be a way to keep himself in power as the martial law is continued as well as the international celebrity status that he has had. This was not a question of his numbers vs Trumps but simply a reflection of where he stands in Ukraine.

Also what in my logic suggested that we should have let Germany keep France or anywhere else? My point was that if they had elections, is there the possibility that those areas would vote to leave the Ukraine or his level of support there cause him to lose the election.

No one on this site knows what is in his heart/head. He is not this combination of Churchill, Ghandi and Jesus that people have made him out to be. He is human and as a result flawed and not immune to temptations and corruptions.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I am not suggesting that soldiers on the front line go vote, although the US military voted during World War 2 and they were spread out literally around the globe as they did in Korea and Vietnam but I understand the difficulties in the displaced people voting and how that impacts it. The extensions of martial law I know, prevent the election but my question was, is that a possible reason that Zelensky may not want the war to end? He went from being a relatively obscure comedian to the president of one of the most corrupt nations in Europe who people still did not really know until the invasion and this seemingly stalemated war would be a way to keep himself in power as the martial law is continued as well as the international celebrity status that he has had. This was not a question of his numbers vs Trumps but simply a reflection of where he stands in Ukraine.

Also what in my logic suggested that we should have let Germany keep France or anywhere else? My point was that if they had elections, is there the possibility that those areas would vote to leave the Ukraine or his level of support there cause him to lose the election.

No one on this site knows what is in his heart/head. He is not this combination of Churchill, Ghandi and Jesus that people have made him out to be. He is human and as a result flawed and not immune to temptations and corruptions.

The fact he's human is not evidence he's corrupt or even reason to assume it. It's the most ******* pointless argument to attempt to make. We have proven corruption in Trump and Putin but you don't give a **** about that do you? Literally none of your accusations against Zelensky do you apply to Trump or Putin.

Also in every case you listed the USA itself was fighting on the other side of the world, not being invaded.

The fact you keep making these completely idiotic arguments is proof you aren't arguing in good faith. Make a single case in history where a country being invaded has held elections...

 

[Sour Patch Kid]

I'm not saying he is corrupt or assuming it but asking the question. There is an expression in Democratic politics here that says, "Never let a crises go to waste" is he exploiting this crises? that's it. Why is that pointless other than it dares to question this nonsensical image that people have built up around him.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I'm not saying he is corrupt or assuming it but asking the question. There is an expression in Democratic politics here that says, "Never let a crises go to waste" is he exploiting this crises? that's it. Why is that pointless other than it dares to question this nonsensical image that people have built up around him.

Oh don't try that "asking the question" bullshit, that's the old fox news trick to spread lies under the flimsy guise of seeking "truth" and is so transparent. Why are you so selective in the questions you ask eh? You don't seem too fussed to ask questions about Putin or Trump do you?

You ask if he's exploiting a crisis whilst his ******* country is being invaded!? Are you sick in the head or something!?

You are a weapons grade ******.

I notice you again don't ask if Trump is trying to exploit a crisis, again.

 

[TommiG88]

I'm not saying he is corrupt or assuming it but asking the question. There is an expression in Democratic politics here that says, "Never let a crises go to waste" is he exploiting this crises? that's it. Why is that pointless other than it dares to question this nonsensical image that people have built up around him.

In what world is he exploiting it? This baffles me, simple logic would dictate that during an invasion an election wouldn't be top of an agenda. A lot of people are displaced across Europe for starters

 

[McTallshort]

I am not suggesting that soldiers on the front line go vote, although the US military voted during World War 2 and they were spread out literally around the globe as they did in Korea and Vietnam but I understand the difficulties in the displaced people voting and how that impacts it. The extensions of martial law I know, prevent the election but my question was, is that a possible reason that Zelensky may not want the war to end? He went from being a relatively obscure comedian to the president of one of the most corrupt nations in Europe who people still did not really know until the invasion and this seemingly stalemated war would be a way to keep himself in power as the martial law is continued as well as the international celebrity status that he has had. This was not a question of his numbers vs Trumps but simply a reflection of where he stands in Ukraine.

Also what in my logic suggested that we should have let Germany keep France or anywhere else? My point was that if they had elections, is there the possibility that those areas would vote to leave the Ukraine or his level of support there cause him to lose the election.

No one on this site knows what is in his heart/head. He is not this combination of Churchill, Ghandi and Jesus that people have made him out to be. He is human and as a result flawed and not immune to temptations and corruptions.

Why are you questioning his legitimacy? He hasn't actually done anything that breaks any Ukrainian laws and has acted within his constitution.

Do you question Putins legitimacy?

 

[Sour Patch Kid]

I am not suggesting that he has broken any laws or violated the constitution but then again, Hitler came to power legally. Yes, Putin and his 98% vote record when he controls everything is not legitimate. Not sure what I said that implied that I thought Putin was legitimate.

I am just saying that if he were to want to stay in power, failing to end the war would give him that ability.

 

[Sour Patch Kid]

Oh don't try that "asking the question" bullshit, that's the old fox news trick to spread lies under the flimsy guise of seeking "truth" and is so transparent. Why are you so selective in the questions you ask eh? You don't seem too fussed to ask questions about Putin or Trump do you?

You ask if he's exploiting a crisis whilst his ******* country is being invaded!? Are you sick in the head or something!?

You are a weapons grade ******.

I notice you again don't ask if Trump is trying to exploit a crisis, again.

Again, when did Zelensky become this saintly figure that I dare question? Also are you able to have any conversation without bringing Trump into it? I was asking about Zelensky

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I am just saying that if he were to want to stay in power, failing to end the war would give him that ability.

Yeah I'm sure he loves being in charge of...an active warzone. Must be a walk in the park, all palm frond fans and peeled grapes

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Again, when did Zelensky become this saintly figure that I dare question? Also are you able to have any conversation without bringing Trump into it? I was asking about Zelensky

Again where has anyone said Zelensky is saintly? Nowhere. Are you able to have a conversation without lying? I was asking about your hypocrisy. I'll ask again, the questions you deem so important in relation to Zelensky, are you asking those same questions about Trump and Putin? It's a simple point of consistency and your avoidance in answering it is telling.

 

[Saintjay]

I am not suggesting that soldiers on the front line go vote, although the US military voted during World War 2 and they were spread out literally around the globe as they did in Korea and Vietnam but I understand the difficulties in the displaced people voting and how that impacts it. The extensions of martial law I know, prevent the election but my question was, is that a possible reason that Zelensky may not want the war to end? He went from being a relatively obscure comedian to the president of one of the most corrupt nations in Europe who people still did not really know until the invasion and this seemingly stalemated war would be a way to keep himself in power as the martial law is continued as well as the international celebrity status that he has had. This was not a question of his numbers vs Trumps but simply a reflection of where he stands in Ukraine.

Also what in my logic suggested that we should have let Germany keep France or anywhere else? My point was that if they had elections, is there the possibility that those areas would vote to leave the Ukraine or his level of support there cause him to lose the election.

No one on this site knows what is in his heart/head. He is not this combination of Churchill, Ghandi and Jesus that people have made him out to be. He is human and as a result flawed and not immune to temptations and corruptions.

Interesting that you menion those three conflicts. In all three America had the support of Allies. Russia and China have never been true allies of America and I think they would do well to remember that. Other than the war of independence has american ever fought a war on it's own

I do feel sorry for Zelensky tbh, poor sod can't get out of this conflict citing bone spurs

Maybe that's why the US is so upset over Ukraine. Little guy going toe to toe with the big military power reminds them of Nam.

 

[Sour Patch Kid]

Again where has anyone said Zelensky is saintly? Nowhere. Are you able to have a conversation without lying? I was asking about your hypocrisy. I'll ask again, the questions you deem so important in relation to Zelensky, are you asking those same questions about Trump and Putin? It's a simple point of consistency and your avoidance in answering it is telling.

It seems from the responses that Zelensky has been put on some pedestal that no one should dare to question him or his motives. Trump is not using a war to stay in power, in four years he will be out and does not have martial law to eliminate political parties. If he can get mineral concessions for the money and equipment we gave them then good. Having America with a vested interest in those minerals might help guarantee their security from Russia better than anything else. We then have much more vested interest in what goes on there.

Putin, he's running an old-school KGB style operation there. He somehow gets 98% of the votes and has the system so rigged there is no opposition. Never defended Putin.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

It seems from the responses that Zelensky has been put on some pedestal that no one should dare to question him or his motives. Trump is not using a war to stay in power, in four years he will be out and does not have martial law to eliminate political parties. If he can get mineral concessions for the money and equipment we gave them then good. Having America with a vested interest in those minerals might help guarantee their security from Russia better than anything else. We then have much more vested interest in what goes on there.

Putin, he's running an old-school KGB style operation there. He somehow gets 98% of the votes and has the system so rigged there is no opposition. Never defended Putin.

No, again that is a figment of your imagination. There is zero evidence Zelensky is using the war to stay in power and throwing around completely unsubstantiated accusations under the guise of "asking questions" when those questions all go one way is pathetic and transparent.

No, Trump is using the war to exact revenge and enrich himself. The time Trump used Ukraine to try to stay in power is when he demanded they get dirt on Biden or he would withhold aid. Forgot about that little saga did you?

Ah so the USA is just a nation of mercenaries. You think it's good for the USA to alienate all it's allies? This is not some video game. So Trump is exploiting a crisis for his benefit, which is apparently terrible when you fabricate a situation where Zelensky is doing it but fine when you know Trump is doing it. As usual, hypocrisy.

Never defended Putin yet in favour of complete capitulation and sacrificing a country to him with no concessions...