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The Plot thickens...

I find it hilarious that Watergate has had a far bigger impact here culturally than in America in some respects. :lol:

I expect in 250 years people will still call corruption crisies "*insert name/allegation here*-gate" :lol:
 
RFU admits that apparently "Everybody's Doing It" concerning the use of fake blood.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunio...d.html?ITO=1490
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the RFU admitted yesterday that this form of cheating is widespread in the game.[/b]

That's it, just shut English Rugby down for 3 years...
Then I'll be satisfied that everyone involved has been punished. Yes, including the children playing rugby in the park. SHUT IT ALL DOWN.

:D
 
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Did Leicester do things like this?[/b]

Funny that you ask...
In the Blues v Leicester HC semi final this year, Dan Hipkiss had a genuine cut sometime after half time ( I think), was treated and came back on, but near the end of the 2nd period of extra time his cut convieniantly re-opened to allow specialist goalkicker Julien Dupuy to come back on the field. The reason it was convieniant was that a penalty shoot-out was looking very likely, and Toby Flood had been injured and Dupuy subbed for Harry Ellis earlier in the match, so Leicester had no goalkickers on the pitch.
I think nobody's kicked off about it (apart from me :p ) because there was no wink, and Hipkiss had been bleeding earlier. But I really can't see it to be a coincident that Hibkiss started bleeding again at the time they needed Dupuy back on, so I'm a bit annoyed that nobody's even looked into this <_< . Not saying that it would have changed the outcome of the shoot-out, but if Quins are having the book thrown at them, why aren't Leicester?
Have Quins been banned from the HEC then? If they are banned, would that mean they're entered into the Challenge Cup, or would it be from both?
And best fullback, you are joking right? That's just crazy...
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I thought that was a very convenient re-injury too and I'm cynical enough to believe it probably wasn't coincidental.

On one hand, I'm thoroughly disgusted by Richards' actions; however, having said that, I'm glad that he's been so candid about the whole thing. It might help any appeal he makes but hopefully he came clean because it was the right thing to do. That sort of thing has no place in the field of rugby, imo.
 
I was hugely cynical at the time (re the Blues Leicester game), but Dai Young has expressed that he has no problems with what happened at the end of that game. That's good enough for me! This whole affair has been a complete mess, and I do think it's something that needs to be looked into further at all levels of the game. I have suspected fake blood was in use, but not in such a serious way as this.

Hopefully this whole mess will send out a warning to any team thinking of doing the same, even just to turn a real injury into a blood injury so the player has a chance of returning.
 
Jesus sounds like this one is going to blow up again.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunio...g-judgment.html

Tom williams statement has been released and its implicated Harlequins Mark Evans (board member) who tried to offer incentives in order for Williams to lie.

Damien Hopley who was present during the discussions with Evans

Wendy Chapman who cut his lip

and a few others.
 
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Jesus sounds like this one is going to blow up again.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunio...g-judgment.html

Tom williams statement has been released and its implicated Harlequins Mark Evans (board member) who tried to offer incentives in order for Williams to lie.

Damien Hopley who was present during the discussions with Evans

Wendy Chapman who cut his lip

and a few others.[/b]
That's definitely the most detailed account I've read so far. Is it just me or does anyone else think this whole thing could turn into a really big scandal? ;)
 
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Jesus sounds like this one is going to blow up again.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunio...g-judgment.html

Tom williams statement has been released and its implicated Harlequins Mark Evans (board member) who tried to offer incentives in order for Williams to lie.

Damien Hopley who was present during the discussions with Evans

Wendy Chapman who cut his lip

and a few others.[/b]
Very interesting read. Thanks for posting.

The cheating was amateur quality, thankfully. Fake blood from a joke shop, and the guy wasn't briefed on how to do it - surely the biting of blood capsules should be practised at training! And I wonder if Williams and the doctor had a bit of a thing going on? She really harmed herself by "doing harm" - seems she was under an influence at the time.

Good to see it wasn't just Leinster heads who cried foul. The match officials were banging on the door straight away.

The coverup after that was disgusting - deceitful, bullying, venal. It reads like some ******** metropolitan police corruption from the 1970s. Richards deserves his punishment, and Quins should be out of the HEC.

And how badly wrong did Brian Moore get this? Very.
 
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Jesus sounds like this one is going to blow up again.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunio...g-judgment.html

Tom williams statement has been released and its implicated Harlequins Mark Evans (board member) who tried to offer incentives in order for Williams to lie.

Damien Hopley who was present during the discussions with Evans

Wendy Chapman who cut his lip

and a few others.[/b]
Very interesting read. Thanks for posting.

The cheating was amateur quality, thankfully. Fake blood from a joke shop, and the guy wasn't briefed on how to do it - surely the biting of blood capsules should be practised at training! And I wonder if Williams and the doctor had a bit of a thing going on? She really harmed herself by "doing harm" - seems she was under an influence at the time.

Good to see it wasn't just Leinster heads who cried foul. The match officials were banging on the door straight away.

The coverup after that was disgusting - deceitful, bullying, venal. It reads like some ******** metropolitan police corruption from the 1970s. Richards deserves his punishment, and Quins should be out of the HEC.

And how badly wrong did Brian Moore get this? Very.
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It's so unlike Brian Moore to get things wrong. He's usually so well considered in his views.
 
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It's so unlike Brian Moore to get things wrong. He's usually so well considered in his views.[/b]
Sarcasm?

Moore's TV commentary is great. Not so much what he writes in the paper.
 
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It's so unlike Brian Moore to get things wrong. He's usually so well considered in his views.[/b]
Sarcasm?

Moore's TV commentary is great. Not so much what he writes in the paper.
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Yeah sarcasm. I've heard his commentary. More often than not it's decent, agreed. Still he can be very blinkered at other times. Slow to credit efforts from touring nations and very quick to defend actions that he'd not like done to his team.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C A Iversen @ Aug 27 2009, 08:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's so unlike Brian Moore to get things wrong. He's usually so well considered in his views.[/b]
Sarcasm?

Moore's TV commentary is great. Not so much what he writes in the paper.
[/b][/quote]


Yeah sarcasm. I've heard his commentary. More often than not it's decent, agreed. Still he can be very blinkered at other times. Slow to credit efforts from touring nations and very quick to defend actions that he'd not like done to his team.
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That's why I enjoy the commentary - he's biased. For his country, for brutal common sense, and against all the fancy dans outside the front five. Entertainment value only, but I likes it.

Disappointed that he misjudged this cheating so badly. He must have skin in the game, which means he's lost a clear vision of the sport.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C A Iversen @ Aug 27 2009, 08:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's so unlike Brian Moore to get things wrong. He's usually so well considered in his views.[/b]
Sarcasm?

Moore's TV commentary is great. Not so much what he writes in the paper.
[/b][/quote]


Yeah sarcasm. I've heard his commentary. More often than not it's decent, agreed. Still he can be very blinkered at other times. Slow to credit efforts from touring nations and very quick to defend actions that he'd not like done to his team.
[/b][/quote]
That's why I enjoy the commentary - he's biased. For his country, for brutal common sense, and against all the fancy dans outside the front five. Entertainment value only, but I likes it.

Disappointed that he misjudged this cheating so badly. He must have skin in the game, which means he's lost a clear vision of the sport.
[/b][/quote]

I'll say this in his favour, he doesn't bore you with pedestrian commentary, leave that to some of our guys.
 
Didn't he say at the time "at best it's gamesmanship, at worst it's out-and-out cheating"?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Aug 27 2009, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Didn't he say at the time "at best it's gamesmanship, at worst it's out-and-out cheating"?[/b]
What bugs me is his reaction to the way the authorities handled it - he thought Williams was dealt with too harshly and that everyone else should be off the hook because the case wasn't proved.

But the ERC were crafty and applied the pressure at the right point. Voila: everything got exposed.

Have a look at this from BM - as the article went on I couldn't really understand what he was talking about. Maybe I didn't pay enough attention, but life's too short to give it a second try:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/columnist...ms-head-on.html
 
Ahhh he addressed it in a legal manner. Effectively saying the excessive punishment for Williams was intended to flush out the real conspirators. Legally he says thats not fair.

He always called it cheating and never cam close to condoning it.

he just said that in a court, that kind of behaviour wouldnt be allowed.

It worked perfectly here though.
 
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Ahhh he addressed it in a legal manner. Effectively saying the excessive punishment for Williams was intended to flush out the real conspirators. Legally he says thats not fair.

He always called it cheating and never cam close to condoning it.

he just said that in a court, that kind of behaviour wouldnt be allowed.

It worked perfectly here though.[/b]
Well, he is a solicitor - just not a solicitor who knows how justice works.
 

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