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Will Smith made a bit of a show of himself to be honest. Joke obviously not in great taste, but Chris Rock may not have known it was alopecia. In any case he should have just beaten Chris Rock up after the show like a normal person.
 
Keep seeing it referred to as a punch. Pretty clear it was a slap. Still not acceptable regardless of what Chris Rock said, but definitely not a punch.
 
Well you can't have people just walking on stage and hitting someone if they get offended by a joke. Doesn't matter if it was in poor taste or he had been 'suffering recently'. It's no excuse. They need to do something or else it sets a precedent.
 
I'm genuinely not sure what I'd have done in Will Smith's position. Walk out and have the highlight of your career ruined by an ignoramus? Sit there and say nothing while your wife is publicly humiliated over what is essentially a medically based disfigurement? He might as well throw his wedding ring on the floor infront of the cameras.

Probably, go on stage, take the mic and inform the audience he will be having words with Mr Rock after the show and that only the presence of the audience is restraining him, then sitting back down. But good luck having the poise to work that out in the heat of the moment.
 
Sit there and say nothing while your wife is publicly humiliated over what is essentially a medically based disfigurement?
Oh behave, people are really blowing this out of all proportion
Willow Smith has had a shaved head for years - is she disfigured?

People are acting like Rock went up there and did a 30min set ripping into cancer patients or something
It was a passing comment about how a woman with a shaved head, wearing all green, looked like GI Jane - a female character with a shaved head who wears green fatigues

I honestly thought it was a joke about how her career had tanked and she was going to be in a direct-to-DVD sequel until I saw all the faux outrage over a condition barely anyone knew she had

I'm looking forward to Rock's next Netflix special where he unloads both barrels - you just know he had to take a breath after the slap and stop himself from going to town
 
Also I don't think it would be not smacking Chris Rock that publicly put the knife in Will Smith's marriage..... That ship has long sailed thanks to his wife openly riding her sons friend. If he was really ****** he could have said something in his absolutely waffling acceptance speech.
 
Everyone blowing the out of proportion

And Rock has done documentaries on black women and their hair, the psychological impact because of what his daughter went through. Dude should of known better to.

Even the ugliness people bringing up details of a private marriage.

Can't people just accept the simple facts Rock was wrong, Smith reacted worse. Rock isn't filing charges and smith has apoligised.

The academy should shut up unless they want the Oscars back from Weinstein and Polanski
 
I think the only good thing from this is it has provided a slight distraction from the horrors which is happening in Ukraine atm. Puts things in perspective and how trivial this is. Making us question what is right in a civilised society.
 
Oh behave, people are really blowing this out of all proportion
Willow Smith has had a shaved head for years - is she disfigured?

People are acting like Rock went up there and did a 30min set ripping into cancer patients or something
It was a passing comment about how a woman with a shaved head, wearing all green, looked like GI Jane - a female character with a shaved head who wears green fatigues

I honestly thought it was a joke about how her career had tanked and she was going to be in a direct-to-DVD sequel until I saw all the faux outrage over a condition barely anyone knew she had

I'm looking forward to Rock's next Netflix special where he unloads both barrels - you just know he had to take a breath after the slap and stop himself from going to town

I suspect some people like Denzel etc will prob tell Rock to let it go.
 
Oh behave, people are really blowing this out of all proportion
Willow Smith has had a shaved head for years - is she disfigured?

People are acting like Rock went up there and did a 30min set ripping into cancer patients or something
It was a passing comment about how a woman with a shaved head, wearing all green, looked like GI Jane - a female character with a shaved head who wears green fatigues

I honestly thought it was a joke about how her career had tanked and she was going to be in a direct-to-DVD sequel until I saw all the faux outrage over a condition barely anyone knew she had

I'm looking forward to Rock's next Netflix special where he unloads both barrels - you just know he had to take a breath after the slap and stop himself from going to town
What can I say. I just remember a time when solid humour was based on wit rather than pointing at people who look a little different from the norm and thinking they are fair game for a giggle. This wasn't a standup gig where you risk being lampooned, it was an awards ceremony.

I'm not really making a big deal out of it, I'm genuinely saying I'm not sure how I'd have reacted and I can't rule out that I wouldn't have taken the stage. If she was bald due to cancer treatment I would have to have been physically restrained. If I was bald due to cancer treatment and the joke was at me, I'd probably have tried to get the microphone, explain why I was incensed and denounced the swine. If it had been a derogatory remark about hairstyle or clothing about me or my partner I'd have remained seated and just considered the comic to be poor. But for this exact instance of this example I have no idea what I'd have done no matter how long I think of it.

My point being, I'm not without sympathy for Smith based solely on the circumstances of that 15 second exchange in isolation as I don't see how holding a microphone and standing on a stage should impact on whether something you say is acceptable or not (or on the response you should receive for opening your mouth). So I've no issue with him slapping the guy on live TV, offering a belated apology and nothing else happening.

In terms of disfigurement, Google "alopecia' AND 'disfigurement' and you'll see loads of entries associating that term with the condition. Whether that is a medically accurate term I don't know. I also don't know anything about the woman in question, but I think its pretty fair to assume you should be twigging that a bald woman may have a medical issue with greater mental impact than male pattern baldness. Ergo, probably not a suitable topic for humour in a public setting and if you elect to go down that route (particularly if premeditated) then you should realise there may be consequences.

Just because the woman isn't choosing to wear a wig or undergo surgery to get hair implants wouldn't change my opinion on whether it is a fair topic for humour. I'm struggling to think of a comparable Male specific ailment that is physically visible to challenge if I'm being a bit sexist here, but I don't think I am.
 
That's true - he might just wanna draw a line under the whole thing
Someone like Chapelle, though, I could see bringing it up

Yeh I can.
But then Chapelle seems to know that Hollywood is prob out of his reach in terms of movie roles.

Chris Rock is 100% still interested in Hollywood.
 
What can I say. I just remember a time when solid humour was based on wit rather than pointing at people who look a little different from the norm and thinking they are fair game for a giggle. This wasn't a standup gig where you risk being lampooned, it was an awards ceremony.

What time is that? Because every era does that…

I agree with the latter point but I can't think of a single time that didn't have humour that was taking the **** out of someone for something completely out of their control.
 
What can I say. I just remember a time when solid humour was based on wit rather than pointing at people who look a little different from the norm and thinking they are fair game for a giggle. This wasn't a standup gig where you risk being lampooned, it was an awards ceremony.

I'm not really making a big deal out of it, I'm genuinely saying I'm not sure how I'd have reacted and I can't rule out that I wouldn't have taken the stage. If she was bald due to cancer treatment I would have to have been physically restrained. If I was bald due to cancer treatment and the joke was at me, I'd probably have tried to get the microphone, explain why I was incensed and denounced the swine. If it had been a derogatory remark about hairstyle or clothing about me or my partner I'd have remained seated and just considered the comic to be poor. But for this exact instance of this example I have no idea what I'd have done no matter how long I think of it.

My point being, I'm not without sympathy for Smith based solely on the circumstances of that 15 second exchange in isolation as I don't see how holding a microphone and standing on a stage should impact on whether something you say is acceptable or not (or on the response you should receive for opening your mouth). So I've no issue with him slapping the guy on live TV, offering a belated apology and nothing else happening.

In terms of disfigurement, Google "alopecia' AND 'disfigurement' and you'll see loads of entries associating that term with the condition. Whether that is a medically accurate term I don't know. I also don't know anything about the woman in question, but I think its pretty fair to assume you should be twigging that a bald woman may have a medical issue with greater mental impact than male pattern baldness. Ergo, probably not a suitable topic for humour in a public setting and if you elect to go down that route (particularly if premeditated) then you should realise there may be consequences.

Just because the woman isn't choosing to wear a wig or undergo surgery to get hair implants wouldn't change my opinion on whether it is a fair topic for humour. I'm struggling to think of a comparable Male specific ailment that is physically visible to challenge if I'm being a bit sexist here, but I don't think I am.
See I don't see any justification for the violence. I'm not saying he shouldn't have been angry, but their is no excuse to hit anyone over an inappropriate joke and it shows he has issues dealing and handling his emotions. Besides why should his wife need him to defend her? I'm sure she's more than capable of defending herself if she wanted. Nothing more than pathetic, toxic alpha male behaviour by a guy who feels the need to prove that his wife is still his wife after she started sleeping around with other people.
 
A shake of the head and a thumbs down would have been the best reaction. Dropping two F bombs was also a big mistake and demonstrated a lack of self control. Very hard to win an argument when you start swearing.
 
It's a bit disappointing that Will Smith has become such a joke without an iota of respect from himself.

Regardless of whether Rock overstepped the mark, seeing one of the biggest and coolest stars in the past 20 years turn out to be a pussio is disappointing. Even the slap wasn't action hero worthy, looked like a slap out of a musical.
 
Would be interested to know what Will Smith's reaction would have been if it was Dwayne The Rock Johnson who was hosting and made the same joke. Will may have ended up being body slammed into stage.
 

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