Steve Tew getting the excuses in

[Shaggy]

Bit presumptuous that. I stand by everything I said.

**** like is lowering to personal comments. Which again ties in nicely with the response.

But then again that Teh Mite bloke is only a ****ing pom. What does he know. Actually, how DARE he talk about New Zealand. Filthy northerner.


PS. Cookie - If New Zealand have to spend/loose multi millions on a World cup, they're either doing something wrong or not cutting their cloth to suit. If the G&T brigade from the Six Nations' unions and South Africa can manage it, when New Zealand can't although they've not even had to travel, they're the ones at fault.

Which is once again, not the issue that Steve Tew was trying to address ... he is talking about not being able to afford attending future world cups from 2015 and beyond, under the current financial model, which is something the Australians, New Zealanders, South Africans, and probably a few other full IRB nations, plus the players association (which represents the players world wide), have been trying to get dialogue with the IRB, for the last 8 years

It's ironic that you are sticking the knife into New Zealand rugby politics, and Steve Tew in particular, when he's actually trying to get some action from the "Gin and Tonic" brigade that you love so much

 

[Teh Mite]

Which is once again, not the issue that Steve Tew was trying to address ... he is talking about not being able to afford attending future world cups from 2015 and beyond, under the current financial model, which is something the Australians, New Zealanders, South Africans, and probably a few other full IRB nations, plus the players association (which represents the players world wide), have been trying to get dialogue with the IRB, for the last 8 years

In that case, why bring it up in the public domain now? Why not bring it up, say, 2 years ago?

It's ironic that you are sticking the knife into New Zealand rugby politics, and Steve Tew in particular, when he's actually trying to get some action from the "Gin and Tonic" brigade that you love so much

Don't mistake a dislike for the backwards, nepotistic, amateur nature of test rugby with sticking one into the NZRU. It could be any of them.

 

[smartcooky]

55mil/10=5.5 mil, NZ would still lose money? Haven't read the whole discussion but how can you lose money on such a huge event. It can't just be blamed on the 55mil losted in sponsorships. Has NZ taken in account the ammount of tax money they should get off the hotel owners, bars etc.?

ARRRRRRGHHHH!.


How can people STILL NOT understand what Tew is saying here.

 

[Jake Heke]

ARRRRRRGHHHH!.


How can people STILL NOT understand what Tew is saying here.

Maybe it's that they don't want to understand..

 

[kovana]

I understand what he is saying. The NZRU are greedy. So please. NZ leave the RWC to teams who actually want to be part of it.

 

[Shaggy]

In that case, why bring it up in the public domain now? Why not bring it up, say, 2 years ago?

Well I guess if your preferred means of sorting issues out (negotiation) has failed after 8 years, your counterparts, such as Australia's John O'Neill also failing, the players association being threatened with lockout when they want to discuss the issue, and the dead line of the next world cup also approaching, he now feels that ONLY way to get the IRB to the negotiating table is to go public, and that the fact that the current world cup is in progress will also maximise the exposure to this issue

Don't mistake a dislike for the backwards, nepotistic, amateur nature of test rugby with sticking one into the NZRU. It could be any of them.

If i'm reading your comment correctly, then you are saying that you would have made the same comments if the English union chairman had raised the same issue Steve Tew had? ... or have I got that wrong?

Regardless of who has raised the issue, it's still advocating discussing change/reform, which has to be a good thing right? ... while Steve Tew is advocating a complete review of the financial model, other parties who want to be at the table, such as the players association want a completely different board, where the representatives are not the members of their nations boards, and aren't subject to conflicts of interest.

... This is where I see the irony, both Tew and the players association are advocating change of an organisation you are obviously critical of (the IRB)

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I understand what he is saying. The NZRU are greedy. So please. NZ leave the RWC to teams who actually want to be part of it.

Seriously?!

 

[smartcooky]

You honestly believe these unions don't earn sponsorship money just because their logos aren't on the shirts?

No, I don't believe it. I know it for a fact.

For that matter, what effect would it have on All Blacks?

None, because they choose not to have jersey sponsor doesn't mean they don't lose bucketloads of money from not being able to get payment for the dozen are so other sponsor they have.

 

[smartcooky]

I understand what he is saying. The NZRU are greedy. So please. NZ leave the RWC to teams who actually want to be part of it.

OMG, the lunatics have been let out of the asylum!

 

[JW.]

ARRRRRRGHHHH!.


How can people STILL NOT understand what Tew is saying here.

You could either just respond to the question asked or just ignore it, instead of rather pointlessly showing your frustration without any explanation. You have just stated that Tew want's the IRB to allow the countries sponsorships, you then stated the ammount of money that they(the sponsorships) are worth. Now I pointed out that would still not be enough money to cover for NZ's losses. I then asked if NZ had taken in account the ammount of tax they should get from the money earnt by hotelowner, bars etc. I just wondered...

I understand the issue raised by Tew, cause why shouldn't the countries be allowed to show there sponsors blabla, and why would the IRB even deny them that right? The IRB shouldn't even be a moneymaking organisation?

 

[kovana]

OMG, the lunatics have been let out of the asylum!

Of course! How else could they run the NZRU?

 

[SelimNiai]

Ok everyone calm down..........






Everyone look at the duck.

Calm again?


Carry on then....


(think this is the weirdest post I've made on this form and there have ben some doozies)

 

[NJR1]

The thing is if the NZRU were more organised, they wouldn't be in the financial mess they are in, and a loss on a WC would be within the budget. Spending bucket loads of money on Bringing SBW back to NZ was ridiculas.

The financial plight of Unions is mainly down to gross mis-management, nothing to do with the IRB, who are also about as much use as a chocolate teapot.

However on the other topic, NZ hasn't done itself any favour re. this RWC, the profiteering going on is ridiculas, $12 for a beer during the RWC at some pubs in Britomart, when the usual price is about $8, and Hotels and Motels putting up their prices to the tune of 1000% in some cases.

Not to mention the Ticket prices, bloody outragous, it's no wonder companies like Telecom are raffling off 500 tickets minimum a week to staff for free.

Perhaps if the NZRU had sorted the above out, then, they would have had pots of cash to off set the cost of the next world cup!

 

[donmcdazzle]

The thing is if the NZRU were more organised, they wouldn't be in the financial mess they are in, and a loss on a WC would be within the budget. Spending bucket loads of money on Bringing SBW back to NZ was ridiculas.

The financial plight of Unions is mainly down to gross mis-management, nothing to do with the IRB, who are also about as much use as a chocolate teapot.

However on the other topic, NZ hasn't done itself any favour re. this RWC, the profiteering going on is ridiculas, $12 for a beer during the RWC at some pubs in Britomart, when the usual price is about $8, and Hotels and Motels putting up their prices to the tune of 1000% in some cases.

Not to mention the Ticket prices, bloody outragous, it's no wonder companies like Telecom are raffling off 500 tickets minimum a week to staff for free.

Perhaps if the NZRU had sorted the above out, then, they would have had pots of cash to off set the cost of the next world cup!

I fail to see how the NZRU would profit from cheaper beers at bars or lower hotel room rates. Regardless of all that, NZRU will lose money at this world cup, the one before it and the one after it... which is the point, not that the NZRU are complaining about losing money at this particular one hosted here.

 

[NJR1]

I fail to see how the NZRU would profit from cheaper beers at bars or lower hotel room rates. Regardless of all that, NZRU will lose money at this world cup, the one before it and the one after it... which is the point, not that the NZRU are complaining about losing money at this particular one hosted here.

Erm, by more people paying for tickets, people I know haven't come out due to 2 things, the price of the Kiwi dollar and the overpriced accommodation, tickets and entertainment. Hence poor ticket "Sales" and when I mean Sales, I mean paying public, not tickets given away to corporates for helping them sort the infrastructure required to run this world cup, less sales, mean less merchandising, which means less advertising and less money in the NZRU's pockets, not to mention the price of the AB's replica jersey... of which much of the cash goes to the NZRU.

and as a consequence of that, the point I was making about the NZRU losing money in previous and future tournaments is due to lack of management, yes they may lose money directly due to the WRC, but 14million or whatever was quoted, do me a favour, the amount of money they make from merchandising globally and TV money, would be a break even, if good financial management and marketing where in place.</SPAN>

 

[donmcdazzle]

Erm, by more people paying for tickets, people I know haven't come out due too 2 things, the price of the Kiwi dollar and the over priced accommodation, tickets and entertainment. Hence poor ticket "Sales" and when I mean Sales, I mean paying public, not tickets given away to corporates for helping them sort the infrastructure required to run this world cup, less sales, mean less merchandising, which means less advertising and less money in the NZRU's pockets, not to mention the price of the AB's replica jersey... of which much of the cash goes to the NZRU.

The point I was making about the NZRU losing money in previous and future tournaments is due to lack of management, yes they may lose money directly due to the WRC, but 14million or whatever was quoted, do me a favour, the amount of money they make from merchandising globally and TV money, would be a break even, if good financial management and marketing where in place.

Sales figures look to be relatively on par with previous tournaments so I don't think that's a major source of potential extra revenue.

Also, I'm not sure what sort of clout you think the NZRU has but I can tell you it has no control over how much the bars charge for alcohol, how much hotels charge for rooms, or the value of the NZ Dollar.

 

[NJR1]

Sales figures look to be relatively on par with previous tournaments so I don't think that's a major source of potential extra revenue.

Also, I'm not sure what sort of clout you think the NZRU has but I can tell you it has no control over how much the bars charge for alcohol, how much hotels charge for rooms, or the value of the NZ Dollar.

Global economic's, i.e. high exchange rate = less cash to spend at the tournament, which mean if there were lower ticket prices = more people attending, the NZRU should have discussed with the government about profiteering, which would hinder the number of people travelling to the world cup, hence reducing the profit/margin being made out of the tournament.

The number of Tickets "Sold" or distributed does not equal the number of tickets in return for money.

 

[ranger]

Christ on a bike. New rule, no one is allowed to comment on this thread unless the have actually read the article and previous posts.

If anyone wades in and starts throwing unrelated and off the mark claims around i reserve the right to all them "A bag of dicks".

 

[Kiwiwomble]

I have to admit to being a bit confused by people bagging the IRB for a variety of reasons (and not just on this thread) and yet thinking Tew and NZRU are out of line for doing pretty much the same thing and trying to get a bit more cash for ALL the unions

he's not trying to get a special deal for the NZRU at the expense, I cant see a down side to allowing teams to deal with their sponsers during the world cup or having tours during the world cup year

 

[Seaton]

God Almighty, I can't believe how many STUPID ***S on this forum cannot READ and UNDERSTAND what they are reading.

As colourful as the post is, I am mightily interested to know what the preceeding three letters are in ***S



This thread is a result of not having enough North vs South thread on the forum...