Steve Tew getting the excuses in

[smartcooky]

As colourful as the post is, I am mightily interested to know what the preceeding three letters are in ***S



This thread is a result of not having enough North vs South thread on the forum...

It was edited by a mod, but I'll give you a clue... there is a letter missing (it used to have five) and it rhymes with RUNTS.

 

[smartcooky]

The thing is if the NZRU were more organised, they wouldn't be in the financial mess they are in, and a loss on a WC would be within the budget. Spending bucket loads of money on Bringing SBW back to NZ was ridicules.

Oh for ****"s sake.... Have you actually read the article? Have You? Really?

Let me explain....again...for about the fifth time


IT IS NOT ABOUT THE LOSSES INCURRED HOSTING THIS RWC!!!


What is it with some of people on this forum that they cannot read and understand a simple, straighforward article?

Even the idiots on Planet Rugby grasped the concept almost straight away

 

[nickdnz]

Dummies Guide To Understanding This Thread

Step One . Steve Tew makes a statement regarding the current financial format of the RWC. The main issue of discussion is regarding sponsorship rights, in which almost all unions lose a huge amount of money every four years. The reason for this is that the IRB want to maximize its profits so that it can distribute and ration the money in the development of the game, however this model still means that smaller unions that make it to a World Cup must be totally dependant on what money the IRB agrees to give them in development, rather then possibly benefiting from independant sponsors. With the loss of major sponsors every four years, the NZRU claims that there is a real possibility that the All Blacks will no longer be able to afford attendances to a Rugby World Cup unless the IRB negotiate on a new and updated model.

The main attitude is not that the NZRU are holding the IRB over a barrel, but simply stating the very reals concerns. The issue is brought up now because after 8 years of trying to renegotiate the model, it's coming down to the point in which the NZRU is already facing heavy losses through hoasting (not blaming anyone for that), but it's important that it is sort out soon.

Step Two: EVERYONE GOES F*CKING MENTAL!

Step Three: Posts are provided in which explain the details of the article in which no one seemed bothered to read. When it is explained it all begins to sound pretty reasonable and an issue that is relavent to all unions. Further reports show that John O'Neil backs Tew's statements.

Step Four: Repeat Step Two.

 

[kovana]

NZRU = Greedy precious windbags.

Nothing to see here.

Making excuses early.

 

[peks89]

Dummies Guide To Understanding This Thread

Step One . Steve Tew makes a statement regarding the current financial format of the RWC. The main issue of discussion is regarding sponsorship rights, in which almost all unions lose a huge amount of money every four years. The reason for this is that the IRB want to maximize its profits so that it can distribute and ration the money in the development of the game, however this model still means that smaller unions that make it to a World Cup must be totally dependant on what money the IRB agrees to give them in development, rather then possibly benefiting from independant sponsors. With the loss of major sponsors every four years, the NZRU claims that there is a real possibility that the All Blacks will no longer be able to afford attendances to a Rugby World Cup unless the IRB negotiate on a new and updated model.

The main attitude is not that the NZRU are holding the IRB over a barrel, but simply stating the very reals concerns. The issue is brought up now because after 8 years of trying to renegotiate the model, it's coming down to the point in which the NZRU is already facing heavy losses through hoasting (not blaming anyone for that), but it's important that it is sort out soon.

Step Two: EVERYONE GOES F*CKING MENTAL!

Step Three: Posts are provided in which explain the details of the article in which no one seemed bothered to read. When it is explained it all begins to sound pretty reasonable and an issue that is relavent to all unions. Further reports show that John O'Neil backs Tew's statements.

Step Four: Repeat Step Two.

Why cant they meet in the middle?...IRB continues funding the unions and at the same time the unions have their independent sponsors..or is this too hard

 

[Jake Heke]

NZRU = Greedy precious windbags.

Nothing to see here.

Making excuses early.

Want another banana sole? Move along.

 

[ranger]

NZRU = Greedy precious windbags.

Nothing to see here.

Making excuses early.

A day in kovanas brain
Step 1) Make uninformed aggressive opinion known
Step 2) Make sure that stadium attendance is key to opinion, it may not be relevent but seating numbers turn me on
Step 3) Be proud of todays efforts
Step 4) Slowly realise that previous statements may have been way off topic and now look silly
Step 5) Subtly try to claim that you were just "trolling" the whole time

We are in the midst of step 5.

 

[ranger]

Why cant they meet in the middle?...IRB continues funding the unions and at the same time the unions have their independent sponsors..or is this too hard

That is exactly what Tew is asking for.

 

[ret]

Anyone else see the irony in the whole situation? The original idea for a World Cup came from the SH, and after finally convincing the "old farts" in the IRB that this was indeed a winning concept, the Rugby World Cup came to be. I think Steve Tew has a very valid point, and now more persuasion has to take place. Done it once, it can happen again. Every great idea needs a bit of tweaking down the track.

 

[peks89]

That is exactly what Tew is asking for.

Great minds think alike lol

 

[kovana]

My gosh, why are the kiwis so defensive all of a sudden.

Just admit your NZRU is just greedy. End of.

Your NZRU wants special treatment for EVERYTHING. Everyone respect the haka.. Dont get angry when we stick our tongues out at you and then pretend to slit your throats... BE RESPECTFUL.

I bet they asked if they could have automatic qualification to the Semi-finals.

 

[Shaggy]

NZRU = Greedy precious windbags.

Nothing to see here.

Making excuses early.

absolutely right about the nothing to see here part - no substance to your post, just more posts about how greedy the NZRU is with nothing to back it up.

... after reading ALL of the previous posts, plus ALL of the articles related to this thread, I seriously doubt that many are going to read this anyway (due to the fact that I have posted articles, and repeatedly explained Steve Tew, the NZRU, and the Players association's position), but, here goes anyway ... the NZRU, the ARU, and probably some other major unions, plus a number of smaller unions (such as pacific island nations) cannot sustain participation in future world cups without outside help from the IRB under the current IRB financial model ... the NZRU did have money in cash reserves, and that's what's allowed them to continue through the Global financial crisis ... that money is gone.

Yes, changing of /lessening of restrictions on sponsorships etc are going to benefit the NZRU, as well as the ARU, SARU, RFU, ... Samoan union, Fijian union, Tongan union (in short, all unions will benefit)

... If people are too lazy to read the articles properly, or too pigheaded to try to understand them properly, well I guess i'm just wasting my time here

Why cant they meet in the middle?...IRB continues funding the unions and at the same time the unions have their independent sponsors..or is this too hard

That's probably what will happen ONCE the IRB finally sit down to discuss the issue, and they actually do something about it.

 

[kovana]

Shaggy , the only thing our Union is complaining about is the unfair match schedules on the lesser teams.

You dont see our Unions trying to threaten the IRB that we are gonna boycott the bloody RWC. We wanna be part of it, not be part of the moneyface like the NZRU.

The NZRU is out of touch with reality, losing money like toilet paper at NPC level. And they have no idea how to stop it.

 

[nickdnz]

My gosh, why are the kiwis so defensive all of a sudden.

Just admit your NZRU is just greedy. End of.

Your NZRU wants special treatment for EVERYTHING. Everyone respect the haka.. Dont get angry when we stick our tongues out at you and then pretend to slit your throats... BE RESPECTFUL.

I bet they asked if they could have automatic qualification to the Semi-finals.

Alright I'm done with this. I can't work out what is trolling and what is ignorance, and I don't care anymore. Things are just becoming anti-NZ, and it's gone past a joke. If it was anti any other nation, I'm sure there would be ramifications for some of the vague and general attacks.

This is a warning.

 

[William18]

My gosh, why are the kiwis so defensive all of a sudden.

Just admit your NZRU is just greedy. End of.

Your NZRU wants special treatment for EVERYTHING. Everyone respect the haka.. Dont get angry when we stick our tongues out at you and then pretend to slit your throats... BE RESPECTFUL.

I bet they asked if they could have automatic qualification to the Semi-finals.

This is probably a bait so there is not much point in replying.

There is nothing wrong with the NZRU not wanting to lose money every four years. If a business does not want to make huge losses every four years it is being sensible not greedy. Tew is speaking on behalf of all of the unions and wants a solution which will help out all of the unions and not just them.

 

[Shaggy]

Shaggy , the only thing our Union is complaining about is the unfair match schedules on the lesser teams.

You dont see our Unions trying to threaten the IRB that we are gonna boycott the bloody RWC. We wanna be part of it, not be part of the moneyface like the NZRU.

The NZRU is out of touch with reality, losing money like toilet paper at NPC level. And they have no idea how to stop it.

That's right, we haven't seen that (yet), and the reason is that the island nations lack the clout to do any damage if they carry through with the threat of boycotting on their own ... I won't be surprised if they do join the cause along with Australia and perhaps South Africa, because it's in their long term interests to do so ... that is, unless the IRB threaten to pull their funding, and then the island nations will tow the IRB line.

... I heard plenty of complaining to the IRB right up to the Samoan prime minister, about players that had already represented another nation, not being allowed to play for Samoa, prior to the world cup, so please don't imply that New Zealand are the only ones to try and use heavy tactics (New Zealand and Australia supported the Island nations on that one by the way)

... I think the NZRU know exactly how much they lose on the ITM cup, but they also know that it's where all of the players are developed, and so, they have little choice but to play/pay for it, in some shape or form

... and they also know where the money comes from to pay for the ITM cup/World cup participation, and it's from sponsorship, and test matches played by the All Blacks, so I think they are very in touch with reality

 

[kovana]

Alright..Just wanted to apologize to the other kiwis here. Yea i went over the line.

But i aint trolling, i just get riled up far too easily, and i really, really dislike how the NZRU is doing things nowadays.

Anyways, apologies to those who may have been offended.

Cheers.

 

[Shaggy]

Alright..Just wanted to apologize to the other kiwis here. Yea i went over the line.

But i aint trolling, i just get riled up far too easily, and i really, really dislike how the NZRU is doing things nowadays.

Anyways, apologies to those who may have been offended.

Cheers.

No need for you to apologise from my point of view, that last post about the unfair scheduling etc, gave me an indication about where you are coming from, rather than just saying "they are greedy" etc ... difference of opinion is what it's all about in my opinion

 

[Teh Mite]

Well I guess if your preferred means of sorting issues out (negotiation) has failed after 8 years, your counterparts, such as Australia's John O'Neill also failing, the players association being threatened with lockout when they want to discuss the issue, and the dead line of the next world cup also approaching, he now feels that ONLY way to get the IRB to the negotiating table is to go public, and that the fact that the current world cup is in progress will also maximise the exposure to this issue

It's opperunism. Nothing more. Maximum exposure at a sensitive time, easy publicity to make a hissy fit sound off like a bullshit "good of the game" comment.

If i'm reading your comment correctly, then you are saying that you would have made the same comments if the English union chairman had raised the same issue Steve Tew had? ... or have I got that wrong?

Have you been paying attention?

Regardless of who has raised the issue, it's still advocating discussing change/reform, which has to be a good thing right? ... while Steve Tew is advocating a complete review of the financial model, other parties who want to be at the table, such as the players association want a completely different board, where the representatives are not the members of their nations boards, and aren't subject to conflicts of interest.

... This is where I see the irony, both Tew and the players association are advocating change of an organisation you are obviously critical of (the IRB)

Steve Tew is not a hero. He's a Union boss threatening a strike over pay. (ironic they're called "unions" when you think about it).

ST is no better then Martyn Thomas, John O'Neil or all the other old farts killing the game. They're not in the right, the IRB isn't in the right either. Whichever way it goes, they'll styill waltz out with a bucket load of cash and the common fan is the one who looses out.

Side note:
Too many people on this thread need to stop taking comments so personally and lighten the f-up. It's a forum where people can express opinions. No need to fling insults at members just becvause you don't agree.

 

[ranger]

It's opperunism. Nothing more. Maximum exposure at a sensitive time, easy publicity to make a hissy fit sound off like a bullshit "good of the game" comment.

It has been confirmed that they have been trying to get the IRB to take notice behind the scenes for 8 years. If he had brought the issue up in the first instance in this manner then you would be right. resorting to publicity after 8 years seems like the right thing to do imo.

Side note:
Too many people on this thread need to stop taking comments so personally and lighten the f-up. It's a forum where people can express opinions. No need to fling insults at members just becvause you don't agree.

People having different opinons is fine. Its a forum after all.
The insults have largely been flung not because we dont agree with what they have to say, but because they are just completely off topic and are going in all guns blazing without taking the time to figure out what they are so up in arms about.
The opinions coming from these members would be fine in another thread that actually caters for that subject matter.