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Anyway I was reading this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2012–13_Super_Rugby_transfers

Which was very interesting to me as I haven't heard much news from Aus/NZ about transfers, so I thought I'd make a topic about how the transfers that have happened thus far will affect the teams.

Now a lot of the movement in Aus/NZ is from unknowns to me as I've seen virtually nothing of the ITM, so in some cases I have no idea whether a transfer is good news or bad news so I would like a bit of feedback in that regard.

At a glance this is what I take out of it (keep in mind my SR knowledge is fairly good, but I'm out of my depth with more localized Australasian talent):

NZ
Blues - From what I can tell they don't seem to have helped their situation out at all, hopefully someone can shed some light onto the players that they have signed but from what I can see they've sustained heavy losses from numbers 8-15 (and Woodcock) seems like everyone's jumping ship, not much hope of them doing better than last on the NZ conference again from my view.

Chiefs - If anything look marginally weaker, lost a handful of useful forwards and obviously SBW, but they were and are a young side so maybe it will be offset.

Crusaders - Haven't lost anyone they will miss TOO much (Ben Franks?) and seemed to have gathered a load of players from the Cantebury side, will need a bit of local knowledge here but I can't see them being worse off.

Highlanders - Seem a bit light on loose forwards but otherwise have tightened up their tight five and obviously acquired Nonu, seems like a net gain, but I might be biased because I'd really like to see them do well throughout the season (and not just the first half).

Hurricanes - Along with the Brumbies they were the wild card team of this year, haven't lost anyone they'll miss but haven't gained all that much either (Ben Franks?) a young side that should do well, all they need is a small improvement to make the play-offs, another side I hope achieves, they're like what the Cheetahs could be if they weren't a bunch of chokers.

Aus
Brumbies - Great side from last year, another side that hasn't really lost of gained, lost a Hooper gained a Pocock - being a Hooper fan I'd say that's even at best. My pick to top the Aussie conference, should they bring their momentum from last season forward.

Force - Poo, half decent half-back pairing, otherwise might be in trouble (14th place?).

Rebels - Lost a few key players in the OB area namely Huxley and Mark Gerrard, players I felt were vital to their effort this season, but gained Higganbotham and with any luck Beale and O'Connor will be healthier in 2013, still think they will struggle away.

Reds - Lost Higgers; gained no-one, shouldn't be enough to get them down if their stars perform, a lot of potential in the team and hasn't really changed since they won in 2011 but for some reason seems to be under performing.

Warratahs - Lost a few gained a few... I'm bored of Australia now.

SA
Where I actually have (barely) license to comment, however I feel like everything SA has been discussed to death already so I will (try) keep things brief.

Bulls - A quality squad that has seen a few changes but none that I consider significant. Has a lot of potential but I feel they may have been stagnating a bit recently (don't murder me Heineken I hope they prove me wrong)

Cheetahs - Lost a bit of the grunt they had in their forwards to overseas and elsewhere, a pity because it will continue to be what holds them back until they can get some continuity in this areas. Backline should be as exciting as ever, the loss of Andries Strauss is certainly not going to change that.

Sharks - A very strong team, that in my opinion, could have won the competition had they started their season better. Not much has changed but not much has to, they have however improved the only area that really needed improving (locks) by acquiring Franco and getting rid off their dead wood leaving them with the very respectable three of (Anton Bresler, PSdT, Franco) should be a dangerous team and a strong competitor.

Stormers - Lost a tiny bit of depth in the loose but struck their greedy paws into the Lions cookie jar and came out with all the chocolate chips - Elton, Taute and Cilliers were arguably the best Lions players and their acquisitions coincidentally fill two big holes in the Stormers set-up (TH and fly-half) and add creativity in general. Something I could not be happier about. I hope to see them perform to their potential and I'd love to see them win but I will attempt to remain realistic.

Kings - Clearly the favourites to win the whole thing, I expect them to go on a rampage; the likes of which rugby union has never witnessed before. (15th place, I just hope we can beat the force at home or something, really hoping to just see the team improve and grow throughout and hopefully beat the Lions in relegation to secure ourselves more time to develop as a team.)

Anyway, thoughts?
 
Waylon Murray signed with the Kings, together with Bandise Maku, Andries Strauss, Steven Sykes and Demetri Catrakilis.
 
chiefs - solid but lost their trump card, SBW's stats speak for themselves. Absolutely no player in super rugby could clock up the stats SBW did this year, they were astonishing. Making up for that loss will require a number of other players to lift their game. Another concern for me is Tameafuna, the young prop was massive for them this year but he's gone off the rails a bit, put on weight, lost his drivers license and appeared in court. May be a case of 2nd season blues for big Ben T. An injury free season from Toby Smith should more than make up for the loss of Taumalolo. Hohneck's season is over before it even began after a farm accident - chiefs have picked up Manu who was force bound from the blues but failed a medical but has since been cleared able to play for the chiefs.

Blues - in a way a bit like the chiefs, the one strong point of the blues in '12 was the scrum and woody was the major contributor. If weepu can start the season fit, focused and ready to make up for his disaster 2012 that will help no end. I dont think Nonu will be missed as much as Anscombe, the new guys at 10 are good but don't have Anscombe's potential, he will be wasted on the chiefs bench.

Highlanders - their Squad for the first time in a long time demands they make the playoffs. No excuses now with the big name players joining the ranks over the last two years. Better on paper than the blues. I think a lot hinges on Slade they really need him to just have a bit of luck for once. Who knows what the hell Thomson is doing, he's not in the squad but it looks like they have saved a spot for him - he has not announced that he is going anywhere else. The incident on the EoY tour has not helped either way. I'm going to miss Jimmy Cowan :( Ben Smith is the best player on the planet, Dan Carter should be his boot cleaner and stylist - lets face it he could use some work in that area.

Hurricanes - finished '12 probably the strongest side in the comp at the time but missed out on the playoffs. Like the highlanders - they will now be expected to make the playoffs. Everyone watching the return of Perenara and the rise of Ardie Savea. The addition of Ben Franks gives them genuine strength and depth in the front row.

Crusaders - expect them to make the semi's again. No Longer have their "big three props" basically three all black props rotating each week but overall still a strong squad, overall strength maintained. Matt Todd to provide adequate cover while Richie has some "me time"
 
There's some decent players with no teams for next year.

Rocky Elsom (what the hell has happened to his Leinster legend's career?), Peter Hynes (so the Reds just had enough with his injuries?), Rodney "Rodzilla" Blake (did he never sort out his fitness issues?), Waylon Murray (a decent Super Rugby level player), Adam Thomson, Jason Rutledge, Scott Waldrom (wasn't he an All Blacks tourist once?), Daniel Braid (quality player, why did the Blues let him go?), Filo Paulo (big tackling Samoan).

Some of those would be good signings as medical jokers for European sides if they are available.

Adam Thomson hasn't sorted out what the heck he's doing with his life.
Daniel Braid was pretty much dropped by the Blues (for what it's worth - I think a big mistake. No takers so may head overseas).
Scott Waldrom was on the verge of rejoining the Hurricanes (which I would have loved as I really rate him), but his injuries have ruled him out for much of next season.]

Don't know what the hecks going on with Elsom. Thought he moved to France after not being up to scratch physically for his Japan team.
 
Hynes wasn't sure if he would be able to play again.
Based on this it was pretty nasty: http://www.redsrugby.com.au/NewsEvents/NewsArticles/tabid/581/ArticleID/5420/Default.aspx
Waylon Murray is with the Cheeky Kings.
Rutledge will be 35 this week, so maybe as a short term signing...

still a buck, good 4-5 years left in him. Sucks he's been cut from the highlanders, been one of their best and most consistent players for years. Should go down as one of the most unlucky players in NZ not to get a run for the All Blacks.
 
NZ
Blues - From what I can tell they don't seem to have helped their situation out at all, hopefully someone can shed some light onto the players that they have signed but from what I can see they've sustained heavy losses from numbers 8-15 (and Woodcock) seems like everyone's jumping ship, not much hope of them doing better than last on the NZ conference again from my view.

'Interesting' is the word I would use to describe the Blues new signings. There are certainly a few good additions (for example Quentin MacDonald, Naholo, Hall, Tu'ungafasi - though Tu'ungafasi is probably still a year or two away for being ready for Super Rugby), but there are a number of rather strange signings too. O'Connor was a quality age-grade player 2-3 years ago, but has struggled to break into the Canterbury ITM Cup squad. Kane Barrett is a good abrasive loose-forward, but likewise has struggled to break into the Taranaki ITM Cup team (though has had a few injury problems). Chris Noakes is a solid ITM player, but offers next to nothing with ball in hand (think a poor-mans Morne Steyn). Tim Perry was the 3rd best prop at Tasman this season (neither of the top 2 props got contracts). Marty McKenzie is a good age-grade player who struggled for Southland during the ITM Cup. Frank Halai is a 7's star, but has yet to really establish himself fully in the 15's game. These certainly aren't the only 'interesting' picks too. The way I look at it, either the Blues management have a relatively poor knowledge of rugby, or they are rugby genius's and can see things in players that I can't!

Highlanders - Seem a bit light on loose forwards but otherwise have tightened up their tight five and obviously acquired Nonu, seems like a net gain, but I might be biased because I'd really like to see them do well throughout the season (and not just the first half).
The Highlanders have made some big gains on paper this season (Woodcock, Thorn, Nonu) - it would be very disappointing if they didn't make the playoffs this season with the squad they have assembled. Their main weakness (apart from loose-forward depth, which you have already mentioned) is the fragility of their options at 10 (Slade and Sopoaga), and the goal-kicking off these two players. If they both get injured again (which will probably happen) our goal-kikcing would actually improve though, as Hayden Parker is a very good goal-kicker.
 
I thought K Barrett was very impressive for Taranaki? Has a hint of Thomas Waldrum about him.

I think the blues missed out with Ben Lam, he looked a very composed player, powerful. Watched a replay of the 7's last night he was very impressive. More so than Baker IMO who's strongest asset was being in the right place to finish tries, Ben Lam was creating them, very hard to tackle.
 
I thought K Barrett was very impressive for Taranaki? Has a hint of Thomas Waldrum about him.

Yep, he was good for Taranaki. When he actually played. He had 4 starts for Taranaki this season, so hardly received consistent game-time. I'm not sure what the exact story with him is, but he has played only 9 games (4 starts) for Taranaki over 3 seasons (as he missed all of last year). I understand injury has played a big part in this, but I'm not sure he has exactly proven he is over these injury issues. I actually quite like his style of play (when he gets on he field), I just listed him as he was one of a large number of 'unproven' players that Kirwan and co. appear to have taken a bit of a punt on.


I think the blues missed out with Ben Lam, he looked a very composed player, powerful. Watched a replay of the 7's last night he was very impressive. More so than Baker IMO who's strongest asset was being in the right place to finish tries, Ben Lam was creating them, very hard to tackle.

I agree that the Blues (or someone else) should have grabbed Ben Lam. He still has a few flaws (defense and handling need work), but he has all the raw tools to be a very good Super Rugby player with his pace and power. I think he has shown far more in the XV's game than someone like Frank Halai (who was good for Counties, but not really a standout in my opinion).
 
Highlanders - Seem a bit light on loose forwards but otherwise have tightened up their tight five and obviously acquired Nonu, seems like a net gain, but I might be biased because I'd really like to see them do well throughout the season (and not just the first half).

Highlanders has always been the NZ team I liked to watch, in the beginning because they played at the House of Pain, and there was always big hits in games. But nowadays they have some guys that really impressed me, most recently it's Jamie Mcintosh! I watched him since the IRB Junior Champs when he was used as a steamroller. And now he's developing into a promising all round prop.


SA
Where I actually have (barely) license to comment, however I feel like everything SA has been discussed to death already so I will (try) keep things brief.

Bulls - A quality squad that has seen a few changes but none that I consider significant. Has a lot of potential but I feel they may have been stagnating a bit recently (don't murder me Heineken I hope they prove me wrong)

Cheetahs - Lost a bit of the grunt they had in their forwards to overseas and elsewhere, a pity because it will continue to be what holds them back until they can get some continuity in this areas. Backline should be as exciting as ever, the loss of Andries Strauss is certainly not going to change that.

Sharks - A very strong team, that in my opinion, could have won the competition had they started their season better. Not much has changed but not much has to, they have however improved the only area that really needed improving (locks) by acquiring Franco and getting rid off their dead wood leaving them with the very respectable three of (Anton Bresler, PSdT, Franco) should be a dangerous team and a strong competitor.

Stormers - Lost a tiny bit of depth in the loose but struck their greedy paws into the Lions cookie jar and came out with all the chocolate chips - Elton, Taute and Cilliers were arguably the best Lions players and their acquisitions coincidentally fill two big holes in the Stormers set-up (TH and fly-half) and add creativity in general. Something I could not be happier about. I hope to see them perform to their potential and I'd love to see them win but I will attempt to remain realistic.

Kings - Clearly the favourites to win the whole thing, I expect them to go on a rampage; the likes of which rugby union has never witnessed before. (15th place, I just hope we can beat the force at home or something, really hoping to just see the team improve and grow throughout and hopefully beat the Lions in relegation to secure ourselves more time to develop as a team.)

Anyway, thoughts?

Believe it or not, But I agree with you on the Bulls. We have a lot of youth players, but not enough X-factor guys. Francois Hougaard is going to play mostly at halfback, based on his recent comments and Frans Ludeke and Heyneke concurring with that. Our forwards are always stable, and I expect nothing less than that, it will be interesting to see what's going to happen at prop with Marcel van der Merwe coming into the fray, I expect Werner Kruger to shift to Loosehead and Marcel to tighthead with Mcguyver on the bench.

My biggest worry/excitement is with the backline. Wynand Olivier will be back from Japan, giving some experience, but I wish and hope youngsters like Jan Serfontein and William Small-Smith to have a go. On the Wings we have plenty of gas to burn with JJ Engelbrecht, Lionell Mapoe, Bjorn Basson and Akona Ndungane. but at Fullback we just have Zane Kirchner, he has no back-up. unless something weird happens that I don't know about. Maybe Clayton Blommetjies??

as for movement, I don't think there will be much movement now anymore, as most teams already named their squads and have started with off-season preparation. I expect the Bulls to finish 3rd again with the Sharks in 1st place, followed by the Stormers.

The Force and Kings to play for the Wooden Spoon and the Cheetahs to be the surprize package, they don't have Sias anymore, so there will be no more Choking!!
 
I would invest in Jurgen Visser as Bulls fullback, at 1,91m and 93kg he is a big lad with explosive power, liked what I saw of him
Blommetjies is more of a winger that can play Fullback
 
I would invest in Jurgen Visser as Bulls fullback, at 1,91m and 93kg he is a big lad with explosive power, liked what I saw of him
Blommetjies is more of a winger that can play Fullback

Visser did some damage with ball in hand in the CC but is that what the Bulls want? It should be.

As for squad movements I don't expect any more movements. Where they stand will be interesting for some teams ITO will we see the young guys get chances? It's a long series and with possible rotation and injury I'm sure guys like PSdT, Serfontein, Schoeman, Botha, Reinach etc will get their chances. Stormers blooded a ton of young guys last year and pretty much all of them took the step up so it's now the chance for the Bulls (already had a fair few new faces TBH) and Sharks to follow.
 
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I thought K Barrett was very impressive for Taranaki? Has a hint of Thomas Waldrum about him.

I think the blues missed out with Ben Lam, he looked a very composed player, powerful. Watched a replay of the 7's last night he was very impressive. More so than Baker IMO who's strongest asset was being in the right place to finish tries, Ben Lam was creating them, very hard to tackle.

Are you referring to the same Waldrum who now plays for England? If so thats got to be the only time I've heard a positive thing about him from someone who isn't a rabid Tigers fan...
 
Are you referring to the same Waldrum who now plays for England? If so thats got to be the only time I've heard a positive thing about him from someone who isn't a rabid Tigers fan...

I like him. Very good player for both the Crusaders and Hurricanes when he played here. Had a few poor games for England lately - but was easily their best player in England's 14-14 draw against South Africa in June - made more metres than anyone in the team including the rest of the England forward pack combined, made 14 tackles with no misses, and was only one of the three in the team to make a clean line break. http://www.espnscrum.com/england-tour-2012/rugby/match/154474.html. For the Tigers he also always seems to make the metres and works hard. Doesn't look athletic - but I really rate him. Even thought he should have got capped by the All Blacks and probably would have if it wasn't for Read who was also in the Crusaders at the same time.

P.S - It's Waldrom.
 
Yeah the man does what he does well. Much like Willem Alberts for SA where we don't expect him to do everything but to make those meters and hit hard in his tackles.
 
I like him. Very good player for both the Crusaders and Hurricanes when he played here. Had a few poor games for England lately - but was easily their best player in England's 14-14 draw against South Africa in June - made more metres than anyone in the team including the rest of the England forward pack combined, made 14 tackles with no misses, and was only one of the three in the team to make a clean line break. http://www.espnscrum.com/england-tour-2012/rugby/match/154474.html. For the Tigers he also always seems to make the metres and works hard. Doesn't look athletic - but I really rate him. Even thought he should have got capped by the All Blacks and probably would have if it wasn't for Read who was also in the Crusaders at the same time.

P.S - It's Waldrom.

True he was much better in the summer than recently. I just don't really rate him above Morgan and he seems to have issues with remaining dynamic for the whole 80 minutes. I never saw him play Super Rugby so I can't really comment on his fitness/form then though.

I really should spell the name of the guy I'm talking about right shouldn't I?
 
The potential of many Sharks and Stormers makes me very excited for the future of the Springboks.
Some real class in those sides... and the Bulls (OK Hein, there you go!).
 
True he was much better in the summer than recently. I just don't really rate him above Morgan and he seems to have issues with remaining dynamic for the whole 80 minutes. I never saw him play Super Rugby so I can't really comment on his fitness/form then though.

I really should spell the name of the guy I'm talking about right shouldn't I?

Yep, unless the name is French. Then it's best to try your hardest to spell it how you think it's spelt, and concede they probably spelt it wrong to begin with.

I can't comment too much on Ben Morgan. I very rarely watch Scatlets games so I don't know too much on past form. I try to watch what Gloucester games I can rarely find any streams for them (for legal purposes, legal streams...). I wasn't overly impressed with him for England, thought Robshow and especially Wood were better at the breakdown (which I'd expect), while Haskell looked equally as dynamic as Morgan when he came on. Still - I haven't seen enough of him to make an informed opinion.

A lot of English seem to have gone off Waldrom. Think he gets a bit of a rough deal because he looks so out of shape, but I've always thought he actually has a pretty big engine (though I've seen this criticism of him from others in regard to his Leicester form). Could be he's slowing down as he's getting older though he's almost 30 now - where as Ben Morgan is still one of the future at only 23.
 
The potential of many Sharks and Stormers makes me very excited for the future of the Springboks.
Some real class in those sides... and the Bulls (OK Hein, there you go!).

Who are you refering to ITO the Stormers? I'd say Etzebeth has already made it which only really leaves Kolisi and Groom (with possibly Kitshoff and Schreuder) unless you're counting our 'loan' rising stars in Jantjies and Taute?

From the Bulls and Cheetahs there are actually a ton of young guys coing through;
A Botha, S Adendorf, J Cooke, J W Small-Smith, M Van der Merwe, JJ Engelbrecht, R Rhule, M Schoeman, J Kriel, L Karremaker, J Goosen, P Van Zyl, P van der Walt, W Le Roux.. am I missing someone?

J Potgieter didn't impress for the Bokke but he was rushed back from injury without any 'warm ups' TBF and was arguably the loosie of the tournament last year behind Coetzee and Hooper.
 
Your ginger prop is doing quite well for himself, you should have Roux back eventually, alongside Botha. Groom and Schreuder at halfback; Jantjies seemingly. Midfield there is Pat Howard as well.
 

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