Post RWC player movements; how might it effect the line-ups of S15 teams for 2012?

[TRF_Ezequiel]

and Naas Olivier (Aironi), CJ van der Linde (Stormers/WP)

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

An update on player movements

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Blues

INS:Ma'a Nonu (Ricoh Black Rams), Rudi Wulf (Toulon)
POSSIBLE: Piri Weepu (Hurricanes), Stephen Donald (Chiefs), Sonny Bill Williams (Crusaders)

OUTS: John Afoa (Ulster), Stephen Brett (Toyota Verblitz), Luke McAlister (Toulouse), Winston Stanley (Western Force), Joe Rokocoko (Bayonne), Jared Payne (Ulster)

TEAM 2012: 15 Isaia Toeava, 14 Rudi Wulf, 13 Benson Stanley, 12 Ma'a Nonu, 11 Rene Ranger, 10 Gareth Anscombe, 9 Alby Mathewson; 1 Tony Woodcock, 2 Keven Mealamu, 3 Charlie Faumuina, 4 Anthony Boric, 5 Ali Williams, 6 Jerome Kaino, 7 Luke Braid, 8 Peter Saili
16 Tom McCartney, 17 Tevita Mailau, 18 Filo Paulo, 19 Daniel Braid, 20 Chris Smylie, 21 Lachie Munro, 22 Sherwin Stowers

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Brumbies

INS: Siliva Siliva (Western Force), Ben Mowen (Waratahs), Ian Prior (Reds), Fotu Auelua (NTT Shining Arcs), Kimami Sitauti (Reds), Joseph Tomane (Gold Coast ***ans RL)
POSSIBLE: Danie Rossouw (Suntory Sungoliath, loan)

OUTS: Elvis Levi (Béziers), Salesi Ma'afu (Western Force), Mark Chisholm (Bayonne), Mitchell Chapman (Japan), Julian Salvi (Leicester), Matt Giteau (Toulon), T Smith (Honda Heat), Francis Fainifo (Stade Français), Adam Ashley-Cooper (Waratahs), Huia Edmonds, Anthony Hegarty, Rocky Elsom, Patrick Phibbs, Josh Valentine, Ed Stubbs

TEAM 2012: 15 Christian Lealiifano, 14 Henry Speight, 13 Andrew Smith, 12 Pat McCabe, 11 Kimami Sitauti, 10 Matt Toomua, 9 Nic White; 1 Ben Alexander, 2 Stephen Moore, 3 Dan Palmer, 4 Peter Kimlin, 5 Ben Hand, 6 Ben Mowen, 7 Colby Faingaa, 8 Stephen Hoiles
16 Siliva Siliva, 17 Jono Owen, 18 Sam Carter, 19 Ita Vaea, 20 Ian Prior, 21 Robbie Coleman, 22 Joseph Tomane

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Bulls

INS: Willie Wepener (Clermont), Wilhelm Steenkamp (Cheetahs), Jano Vermaak (Lions), Johann Sadie (Stormers), JJ Engelbrecht (Stormers)

OUTS: Gurthrö Steenkamp (Toulouse), Gary Botha (Toulouse), Andries Ferreira (Biarritz), Berend Botha (Mont-de-Marsan), Danie Rossouw (Suntory Sungoliath), Bakkies Botha (Toulon), Victor Matfield (retired), Fourie du Preez (Suntory Sungoliath)

TEAM 2012: 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Gerhard van den Heever, 13 Johann Sadie, 12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Bjorn Basson, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Francois Hougaard; 1 Dean Greyling, 2 Chiliboy Ralepelle, 3 Werner Kruger, 4 Flip van der Merwe, 5 Wilhelm Steenkamp, 6 Deon Stegmann, 7 Dewald Potgieter, 8 Pierre Spies
16 Willie Wepener, 17 Rossouw de Klerk, 18 Juandré Kruger, 19 Derick Kuün, 20 Jano Vermaak, 21 Francois Brummer, 22 Jaco Pretorius

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Cheetahs

OUTS: Wilhelm Steenkamp (Bulls), Frans Viljoen (Aironi), Sarel Pretorius (Waratahs), Naas Olivier (Aironi), Louis Strydom (Southern Kings), Riaan Viljoen (Sharks)
POSSIBLE: Heinrich Brüssow (Stormers)

TEAM 2012: 15 Hennie Daniller, 14 Philip Snyman, 13 Robert Ebersohn, 12 Andries Strauss, 11 Ryno Benjamin, 10 Sias Ebersohn, 9 Tewis de Bruyn; 1 Coenie Oosthuizen, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 3 WP Nel, 4 Francois Uys, 5 Martin Muller, 6 Heinrich Brüssow, 7 Juan Smith, 8 Ashley Johnson
16 Ryno Barnes, 17 Lourens Adriaanse, 18 Waltie Vermeulen, 19 Davon Raubenheimer, 20 Tertius Carse, 21 Corné Uys, 22 Riaan Smit

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Chiefs

INS: Michael Fitzgerald (Hurricanes), Aaron Cruden (Hurricanes)
POSSIBLE: Sonny Bill Williams (Crusaders)

OUTS: Ben May (Hurricanes), Aled de Malmanche (Stade Français), Nathan White (Leinster), Isaac Ross (NTT Shining Arcs), Hayden Triggs (Japan), Steven Setephano (NTT Docomo Red Hurricanes), Taniela Moa (Pau), Mike Delany (Panasonic Wild Knights), Dwayne Sweeney (Kyuden Voltex), Tana Umaga (retired), Sitiveni Sivivatu (Clermont), Mils Muliaina (NTT Docomo Red Hurricanes), Stephen Donald
POSSIBLE: Taiasina Tuifu'a (Newcastle)

TEAM 2012: 15 Tim Nanai-Williams, 14 Save Tokula, 13 Richard Kahui, 12 Jackson Willison, 11 Lelia Masaga, 10 Aaron Cruden, 9 Brendon Leonard; 1 Toby Smith, 2 Hika Elliot, 3 Ben Afeaki, 4 Craig Clarke, 5 Romana Graham, 6 Liam Messam, 7 Tanerau Latimer, 8 Colin Bourke
16 Dan Perrin, 17 Sona Taumalolo, 18 Culum Retallick, 19 Fritz Lee, 20 Tawera Kerr-Barlow, 21 Trent Renata, 22 Phil Burleigh

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Crusaders

OUTS: Brad Thorn (Fukuoka Sanix Blues), Chris Jack (Japan), Jonathan Poff (Wasps), Kahn Fotuali'i (Ospreys), Matt Berquist (Leinster)
POSSIBLE: Sonny Bill Williams (Blues/Chiefs)

TEAM 2012: 15 Israel Dagg, 14 Sean Maitland, 13 Robbie Fruean, 12 Sonny Bill Williams, 11 Zac Guildford, 10 Dan Carter, 9 Andy Ellis; 1 Wyatt Crockett, 2 Corey Flynn, 3 Owen Franks, 4 Luke Romano, 5 Sam Whitelock, 6 George Whitelock, 7 Richie McCaw, 8 Kieran Read
16 Quentin MacDonald, 17 Ben Franks, 18 Dominic Bird, 19 Matt Todd, 20 Willie Heinz, 21 Tyler Bleyendaal, 22 Adam Whitelock

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Highlanders

INS: Andrew Hore (Hurricanes)POSSIBLE:Hosea Gear (Hurricanes)

OUTS: Hoani Matenga (Mont-de-Marsan), Alando Soakai (Kubota Spears), James Wilson (Bourgoin), Fetu'u Vainikolo (Connacht), Kade Poki (Fukuoka Sanix Blues)

TEAM 2012: 15 Ben Smith, 14 James Paterson, 13 Kenny Lynn, 12 Shaun Treeby, 11 Siale Piutau, 10 Colin Slade, 9 Jimmy Cowan; 1 Jamie Mackintosh, 2 Andrew Hore, 3 Chris King, 4 Jarrad Hoeata, 5 Josh Bekhuis, 6 Adam Thomson, 7 John Hardie, 8 Nasi Manu
16 Jason Rutledge, 17 David Te Moana, 18 Tom Donnelly, 19 Nick Crosswell, 20 Aaron Smith, 21 Lima Sopoaga, 22 Telusa Veainu

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Hurricanes

INS: Ben May (Chiefs)

OUTS: John Schwalger (Agen), Andrew Hore (Highlanders), Anthony Perenise (Bath), Neemia Tialata (Bayonne), Michael Fitzgerald (Chiefs), Bryn Evans (London Irish), Rodney So'oialo (Honda Heat), Tyson Keats (Aironi), Aaron Cruden (Chiefs), Ma'a Nonu (Ricoh Black Rams)POSSIBLE: Hosea Gear (Highlanders), Piri Weepu, Cory Jane

TEAM 2012: 15 Cory Jane, 14 Alapati Leiua, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Jayden Hayward, 11 Hosea Gear, 10 Daniel Kirkpatrick, 9 Piri Weepu; 1 Ben May, 2 Dane Coles, 3 Michael Bent, 4 Jeremy Thrush, 5 James Broadhurst, 6 Jack Lam, 7 Karl Lowe, 8 Victor Vito
16 Laurence Corlett, 17 Jacob Ellison, 18 Jason Eaton, 19 Faifili Levave, 20 Chris Eaton, 21 Charlie Ngatai, 22 Julian Savea

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Lions

INS:CJ van der Linde (Stormers)

OUTS: Jano Vermaak (Bulls), Rory Kockott (Castres), André Pretorius (Toulon)

TEAM 2012: 15 Jaco Taute, 14 Lionel Mapoe, 13 Waylon Murray, 12 Doppies la Grange, 11 Deon van Rensburg, 10 Butch James, 9 Michael Bondesio; 1 JC Janse van Rensburg, 2 Bandise Maku, 3 CJ van der Linde, 4 Wikus van Heerden, 5 Franco van der Merwe, 6 Derick Minnie, 7 Michael Rhodes, 8 Josh Strauss
16 Edgar Marutlulle, 17 Patric Cilliers, 18 Warren Whiteley, 19 Cobus Grobbelaar, 20 Michael Bondesio, 21 Elton Jantjies, 22 Michael Killian

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Melbourne Rebels

INS: Mitch Inman (Western Force), James O'Connor (Western Force), Kurtley Beale (Waratahs)
POSSIBLE: Huia Edmonds (Brumbies), Napolioni Vonowale Nalaga (Police)

OUTS: Greg Somerville (retired), Kevin O'Neill (retired), Sam Cordingley (retired), Alex Rokobaro (Stade Français), Luke Rooney (Toulon)

TEAM 2012: 15 Kurtley Beale, 14 James O'Connor, 13 Mark Gerrard, 12 Stirling Mortlock, 11 Cooper Vuna, 10 Danny Cipriani, 9 Nick Phipps; 1 Nic Henderson, 2 Ged Robinson, 3 Laurie Weeks, 4 Alister Campbell, 5 Hugh Pyle, 6 Jarrod Saffy, 7 Michael Lipman, 8 Gareth Delve
16 Adam Freier, 17 Rodney Blake, 18 Adam Byrnes, 19 Tim Davidson, 20 Richard Kingi, 21 Julian Huxley, 22 Lachlan Mitchell

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Reds

OUTS: Lei Tomiki (Stade Français), Leroy Houston (Bordeaux-Bègles), Ian Prior (Brumbies), Kimami Sitauti (Brumbies)

TEAM 2012: 15 Peter Hynes, 14 Rod Davies, 13 Anthony Faingaa, 12 Mike Harris, 11 Digby Ioane, 10 Quade Cooper, 9 Will Genia; 1 Ben Daley, 2 Saia Faingaa, 3 James Slipper, 4 Rob Simmons, 5 James Horwill, 6 Scott Higginbotham, 7 Beau Robinson, 8 Radike Samo
16 James Hanson, 17 Greg Holmes, 18 Adam Wallace-Harrison, 19 Jake Schatz, 20 Ben Lucas, 21 Jono Lance, 22 Luke Morahan

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Sharks

INS: Marius Joubert (Clermont), Riaan Viljoen (Cheetahs)

OUTS: John Smit (Saracens), Steven Sykes (Leinster), Gerhard Mostert (Stade Français), Riaan Swanepoel (Clermont)

TEAM 2012: 15 Pat Lambie, 14 Odwa Ndungane, 13 Marius Joubert, 12 Meyer Bosman, 11 JP Pietersen, 10 Frédéric Michalak, 9 Charl McLeod; 1 Tendai "Beast" Mtawarira, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 4 Ross Skeate, 5 Alistair Hargreaves, 6 Keegan Daniel, 7 Willem Alberts, 8 Ryan Kankowski
16 Craig Burden, 17 Eugene van Staden, 18 Anton Bresler, 19 Jean Deysel, 20 Jacques Botes, 21 Adrian Jacobs, 22 Stefan Terblanche

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Stormers

POSSIBLE: Heinrich Brüssow (Cheetahs)

OUTS: Ethienne Reynecke (Connacht), CJ van der Linde (Lions), Anton van Zyl (Stade Français), Francois Louw (Bath), Ricky Januarie (Lyon), Johann Sadie (Bulls), Paul Bosch (Montpellier), JJ Engelbrecht (Bulls)

TEAM 2012: 15 Conrad Jantjes, 14 Gio Aplon, 13 Jaque Fourie, 12 Jean de Villiers, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Peter Grant, 9 Dewaldt Duvenage; 1 Wicus Blaauw, 2 Tiaan Liebenberg, 3 Brok Harris, 4 Rynhardt Elstadt, 5 Andries Bekker, 6 Schalk Burger, 7 Pieter Louw, 8 Duane Vermeulen
16 Deon Fourie, 17 JC Kritzinger, 18 de Kock Steenkamp, 19 Nick Koster, 20 Louis Schreuder, 21 Gary van Aswegen, 22 Juan de Jongh

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Waratahs

INS: Sarel Pretorius (Cheetahs), Adam Ashley-Cooper (Brumbies)
POSSIBLE: Tevita Metuisela (Western Force)

OUTS: Al Baxter (retired), Pat O'Connor (Agen), Sitaleki Timani (Canon Eagles), Ben Mowen (Brumbies), Phil Waugh (retired), Josh Holmes (Bourgoin), Luke Burgess (Toulouse), Ryan Shortland (Newcastle), Sosene Anesi (NTT Shining Arcs), Kurtley Beale (Melbourne Rebels)

TEAM 2012: 15 Adam Ashley-Cooper, 14 Lachie Turner, 13 Rob Horne, 12 Tom Carter, 11 Drew Mitchell, 10 Berrick Barnes, 9 Sarel Pretorius; 1 Benn Robinson, 2 Tatafu Polota-Nau, 3 Sekope Kepu, 4 Dean Mumm, 5 Kane Douglas, 6 Dave Dennis, 7 Pat McCutcheon, 8 Wycliff Palu
16 Damien Fitzpatrick, 17 Paddy Ryan, 18 Dan Vickerman, 19 Chris Alcock, 20 Brendan McKibbin, 21 Daniel Halangahu, 22 Ryan Cross

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Western Force

INS: Salesi Ma'afu (Brumbies), Toby Lynn (Waikato), Winston Stanley (Blues), Jordan Ropana (Gold Coast ***ans RL)

OUTS: Siliva Siliva (Brumbies), Matt Dunning (Biarritz), Tim Fairbrother (Harlequins), Mark Bartholomeusz (retired), Mitch Inman (Melbourne Rebels), James O'Connor (Melbourne Rebels), David Smith (Toulon), Tom Hockings, Jono Jenkins
POSSIBLE: Tevita Metuisela (Waratahs)

TEAM 2012: 15 Cameron Shepherd, 14 Nick Cummins, 13 Winston Stanley, 12 Gene Fairbanks, 11 Rory Sidey, 10 Willie Ripia, 9 Brett Sheehan; 1 Pek Cowan, 2 Nathan Charles, 3 Salesi Ma'afu, 4 Sam Wykes, 5 Nathan Sharpe, 6 Matt Hodgson, 7 David Pocock, 8 Ben McCalman
16 Ben Whittaker, 17 Kieran Longbottom, 18 Toby Lynn, 19 Richard Brown, 20 Justin Turner, 21 James Stannard, 22 Pat Dellit

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I wonder what the Sharks are gonna do with their backs; le Frenchie, JLP, Bosman and Lambie at 10, Lambie, Viljoen, Ludik, Ndungane and Terblanche able to play 15 but their only centre (Jacobs) doesn't even play. I wouldn't be surprised to see Lambie at either 12 even though he has always played 15 and we need him at 10. Hell, it's the Sharks so i wouldn't be surprised to see him at 8 and Bismarck at 12 to accomodate Burden at 2. Another fine mess thanks to John Plumtree (and we- WP/Stormers could so badly have used Viljoen at 15). C'mon Sharks, stop this bullshit and get a midfield combination and 1 world class player at 9 and 4 and stop messing about.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

Both these were last year though.

Edit: was referring to CJ vand er Linde and Naas Olivier moving.

 

[Kiwiwomble]

Poki has signed on with the us for another two years

 

[WhoDaresWin]

An update on player movements

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Blues

INS:Ma'a Nonu (Ricoh Black Rams), Rudi Wulf (Toulon)
POSSIBLE: Piri Weepu (Hurricanes), Stephen Donald (Chiefs), Sonny Bill Williams (Crusaders)

OUTS: John Afoa (Ulster), Stephen Brett (Toyota Verblitz), Luke McAlister (Toulouse), Winston Stanley (Western Force), Joe Rokocoko (Bayonne), Jared Payne (Ulster)

TEAM 2012: 15 Isaia Toeava, 14 Rudi Wulf, 13 Benson Stanley, 12 Ma'a Nonu, 11 Rene Ranger, 10 Gareth Anscombe, 9 Alby Mathewson; 1 Tony Woodcock, 2 Keven Mealamu, 3 Charlie Faumuina, 4 Anthony Boric, 5 Ali Williams, 6 Jerome Kaino, 7 Luke Braid, 8 Peter Saili
16 Tom McCartney, 17 Tevita Mailau, 18 Filo Paulo, 19 Daniel Braid, 20 Chris Smylie, 21 Lachie Munro, 22 Sherwin Stowers

Now with Weepu confirming his move to the Blues, looks like Anscombe will have to ride shotgun next season.
9. Mathewson, 10. Weepu, ....

 

[Dizzy]

and according to stuff.co.nz Hobbs has signed with the blues as well... so very interesting to see how Anscombe and Hobbs are going to get game time when Nonu and Weepu are there. I heard somewhere that Weepu is going to be tried as first five and Hobbs won't push Nonu out of second five so, yeah... and apparently the Blues have edged ahead when it comes between them and the Chiefs so it could be SBW at 12 and Nonu at 13...

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

I have to admit I'm getting nervous WRT the Stormers team for next year. So far we've had confirmation of a mass movement of players out (Sadie, Engelbrecht, Louw, Januarie, Van der Linde, Reynecke, Van Zyl) but only very unsubstantiated rumors about players possibly coming in (Brussow, Hougaard).

Of those most (Reynecke, Sadie, Januarie, Engelbrecht and Van Zyl) shouldn't hurt us as we have depth in those positions (although inexperienced in some) apart from at halfback but I'm glad to see the back of Januarie (though I thank him; have to call time at some stage..).

Louw's departure is a bit disruptive though as the balance of our backrow is probably our biggest asset in combination with our depth of centers. I'm praying Brussow is coming to the Cape. We have decent cover in the backrow in Kolisi (been great in the Currie cup) and Koster but no fetcher and not having a fetcher with our defense seems crazy; I can just imagine the amount of ball Brussow could turn over in a team where everyone is comitted on D and the opposition team actually goes backwards on the attack as often as not.

Where we need back-up; 9, 15 and most importantly at the props.
Where we need aworld class player; 10, 15 and 3. Grant is decent enough but has shown time and again he can't take control of a game.

It looks though as if WP and the Stormers are going to be giving our youngsters the green light which is probably a good idea in the long run but its just been so loooooong since we've won anything (other than the S15 SA trophy LOL).

My wishlist:
3 Brian Mujati - please come back, we need a solid tighthead (and depth)
6 Heinrich Brussow - Brussow, Burger, Vermeulen... oh, my (with Kolisi on the bench as the perfect impact type player!)
9 Francois Hougaard - come back to the Cape, Hougie! (Duvenhage on the bench to cover 9 and at a pinch 10)
10 In terms of at 10, I'd be happy to give Dimitri Catrakilis and Gary van Aswegen an extended run over importing someone more settled/known. Please just give grant a rest (and stop with skipping Catrakilis like we did in the S15)
15 Joe Pietersen - should be bought back as Aplon isn't a FB and Jantjes offers too little at this stage. Lionel Cronje on the bench. That or get any of Taute/Ludik/Viljoen as the Sharks already have an overabundance of fullbacks LOL.

Some youngsters non-Saffas should look out for in 2012 (from the Stormers);
2nd row; Rynhardt Elstadt and Eben Etzebeth
backrow; Siya Kolisi
flyhalf; Dimitri Katrakilis
wing; Danie Poolman

 

[Seaton]

Elstadt was ace this year, hardly ever took a step back, and when he did it was most likely to make an even better tackle.

Seemed a decent flanker in the CC, but his permanent move to lock was an inspired move.


Edit: The Bulls have confirmed the signing of Southern Kings flanker/ lock Jacques Potgieter.

Imagine if Jacques-Louis Potgeiter moved back to the Bulls, and they all started?

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

Joe Pietersen was rumoured to be returning to SA (with the Lions) a couple of months ago but has started the season in France now with Bayonne so that is off the cards, likewise Mujati

I don't think Francois Hougaard is likely to move

so the only player who I think the Stormers have a chance pf getting is Brüssow

I've read that Elstadt was impressive in the Super rugby this year, and I have been impressed with Anton van Zyl in the past so he must have been quite good to keep him out of the team

I hope Siya Kolisi gets a chance next season in 2012, South Africa hasn't really produced to many black forwards over the past five years (Mtawarira and Mujati are Zimbabwean) and it would be good for SA to have him challenging to get in the Springboks side, hopefully he's better than the last black South African flankers who played for the Springboks (Tim Dlulane, Solly Tyibilika)

Yeah, Kolisi is good. Showing a LOT of promise but we WP supporters do sometimes put our young guys on pedestals too quickly. But hopefully he'll be patient, stay with WP and get his opportunities.

Carr and Fenton-Wells also quality young WP loosies. The problem is these guys along with Burger and Vermeulen aren't out-and-out fetchers and not having a fetcher considering our defense would be a big opportunity lost.

Our major problem is in the front row and at fullback IMO. A world class 10 and some depth at 9 and we'd be pushing VERY hard for a ***le.

Elstadt was ace this year, hardly ever took a step back, and when he did it was most likely to make an even better tackle.

Seemed a decent flanker in the CC, but his permanent move to lock was an inspired move.


Edit: The Bulls have confirmed the signing of Southern Kings flanker/ lock Jacques Potgieter.

Imagine if Jacques-Louis Potgeiter moved back to the Bulls, and they all started?

Elstadt is great. I fhe can keep it up... well, he can go far. Look for young SA and WP lock Eben Etzebeth to push both Elstadt and Bekker as well.

You mean like

6 J Potgieter
7 D Potgieter
10 JL Potgieter

LOL

My favourite is still

2 G Botha
3 BJ Botha
4 B Botha

 

[TRF_Ezequiel]

I think you can easily form a team with only 5 different names...

du Plessis, Botha, Steyn, Cronje and Potgieter haha

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

I think you can easily form a team with only 5 different names...

du Plessis, Botha, Steyn, Cronje and Potgieter haha

1 BJ Botha (Ulster)
2 Biismarck du Plessis (Sharks)
3 Jannie du Plessis (Sharks)
4 Bakkies Botha (Bulls)
5 Mouritz Botha (Saracens)
6 Dewald Potgieter (Bulls)
7 Jacques Potgieter (Bulls)
8 Arno Botha (Bulls)
9 Ross Cronje (Sharks)
10 Morne Steyn (Bulls)
11 JP du Plessis (was with the Rebels heard he's coming back to SA; competing for a spot with Beale & O'Connor added would do that )
12 Frans Steyn (Racing Metro)
13 Jacques Louis Potgieter (Sharks)
14
15 Lionel Cronje (Stormers)

16 Gary Botha (Bulls)
17
18 Jacques Cronje (Racing Metro)
19 Tinus du Plessis (Namibian international)
20
21 Guy Cronje (Sharks)
22

I'm sure the Welsh could do it with less surnames though LOL. Possibly 1...

 

[Seaton]

Yip, Wales could definitely make a team comprising solely of Jones

 

[TRF_Ezequiel]

With the only football manager game Hattrick, I once actually succeeded in having a whole squad with players named de Jong

 

[Draggs]

Yip, Wales could definitely make a team comprising solely of Jones

01 Duncan Jones
02 Steve Jones
03 Adam Jones
04 Deiniol Jones
05 Alun Wyn Jones
06 Dafydd Jones
07 Martyn Williams
08 Ryan Jones

09 Lloyd Williams
10 Stephen Jones
11 Shane Williams
12 ?
13 Scott Williams
14 Mark Jones
15 ?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Apparently Ospreys have a fullback called Ross Jones

 

[Thingimubob]

01 Duncan Jones
02 Steve Jones
03 Adam Jones
04 Deiniol Jones
05 Alun Wyn Jones
06 Dafydd Jones
07 Martyn Williams
08 Ryan Jones

09 Lloyd Williams
10 Stephen Jones
11 Shane Williams
12 ?
13 Scott Williams
14 Mark Jones
15 ?

You could scrape the barrel a bit and stick Steffan Jones of the Dragons at 12 and Lee Williams of the Scarlets at 15

 

[Draggs]

I was aware of Ross Jones, but his is still a nipper (Wales U20 FB this year).
Stretched it a bit wit Mark and Dafydd, but I stopped myself from using Rhys Williams at 15.
Dafydd James and Tom James could be added at 13 and 14.

 

[psychic duck]

01 Duncan Jones
02 Steve Jones
03 Adam Jones
04 Deiniol Jones
05 Alun Wyn Jones
06 Dafydd Jones
07 Martyn Williams
08 Ryan Jones

09 Lloyd Williams
10 Stephen Jones
11 Shane Williams
12 ?
13 Scott Williams
14 Mark Jones
15 ?

1. Duncan Jones (Ospreys & Wales)
2. Steve Jones (Dragons & Wales)
3. Adam Jones (Ospreys & Wales)
4. Chris Jones (Worcester & England)
5. Alun-Wyn Jones (Ospreys & Wales)
6. Luke Jones (Melbourne Rebels)
7. Sam Jones (Wasps)
8. Ryan Jones (Ospreys & Wales)
9. Lewis Jones (Cardiff Blues)
10. Stephen Jones (Scarlets & Wales)
11.
12.
13.
14. Lee Jones (Edinburgh)
15. Felix Jones (Munster & Ireland)

1. Nathan Williams (Dragons)
2. Gareth Williams (Cardiff Blues & Wales)
3.
4. Bryce Williams (Northland)
5. Ali Williams (Blues & New Zealand)
6.
7. Martyn Williams (Cardiff Blues & Wales)
8. Nick Williams (Aironi)
9. Lloyd Williams (Cardiff Blues & Wales)
10. Owen Williams (Scarlets)
11. Shane Williams (Ospreys & Wales)
12. Sonny Bill Williams (Crusaders & New Zealand)
13. Gavin Williams (Clermont & Samoa)
14. Tim Nanai-Williams (Chiefs)
15. Paul Williams (Stade Français & Samoa)

the Jones side needs some backs and the Williams side some forwards, in a match between the two sides I would back the Jones' due to superior scrummaging

 

[Me 1]

1. Trystan Davies
2. Mefin Davies
3.
4. Bradley Davies
5.
6.
7.
8.
9. Gareth Davies (Scarlets)
10. Gareth Davies (Blues)
11.
12. Jonathan Davies
13. Rhodri Gomer-Davies
14. Rod Davies
15. Barry Davies

That didn't go well

 

[psychic duck]

South African Super Rugby transfer roundup


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[TD][/TD]
[TD]INS
(CONFIRMED/RUMOURS)[/TD]
[TD]OUTS
(CONFIMRED/RUMOURS/LOAN)[/TD]
[TD]FORWARDS[/TD]
[TD]BACKS[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]

[/TD]
[TD]Willie Wepener (HK, Clermont)
Wilhelm Steenkamp (LK, Cheetahs)
Jacques Potgieter (FL, Southern Kings)
Jano Vermaak (SH, Lions)
Lionel Cronjé (FH, Stormers)
Johann Sadie (CT, Stormers)
JJ Engelbrecht (WG, Stormers)
[/TD]
[TD]Gary Botha (HK, Toulouse)
Bees Roux (PR, Bordeaux-Bègles)
Gurthrö Steenkamp (PR, Toulouse)
Danie Rossouw (LK, Suntory Sungoliath)
Bakkies Botha (LK, Toulon)
Victor Matfield (LK, retired)
Marnus Schoeman (FL, Cheetahs)
Derick Kuün (FL, retired)
Fourie du Preez (SH, Suntory Sungoliath)
François Brummer (FH, released)
Stefan Watermeyer (CT, Ospreys)
Gerhard van den Heever (WG, Stormers)
Jaco van der Westhuyzen (FB, retired)
[/TD]
[TD]1. Dean Greyling
2. Chiliboy Ralepelle
3. Werner Kruger
4. Flip van der Merwe
5. Wilhelm Steenkamp
6. Deon Stegmann
7. Dewald Potgieter
8. Pierre Spies[/TD]
[TD]9. Francois Hougaard
10. Morné Steyn
11. Bjorn Basson
12. Wynand Olivier
13. Johann Sadie
14. JJ Engelbrecht
15. Zane Kirchner
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

[/TD]
[TD]George Earle (LK, Lions)
Marnus Schoeman (FL, Bulls)
Jonathan Mokuena (FL, Lions)
Willie le Roux (FH, Boland)
Monty Dumond (FH, Southern Kings)
[/TD]
[TD]Wilhelm Steenkamp (LK, Bulls)
Frans Viljoen (FL, Aironi)
Sarel Pretorius (SH, Waratahs)
Naas Olivier (FH, Aironi)
Louis Strydom (FH, Southern Kings)
Corné Uys (CT, Newcastle)
Riaan Viljoen (FB, Sharks)
[/TD]
[TD]1. Coenie Oosthuizen
2. Adriaan Strauss
3. WP Nel
4. François Uys
5. Martin Muller
6. Heinrich Brüssow
7. Juan Smith
8. Ashley Johnson

[/TD]
[TD]9. Piet van Zyl
10. Johan Goosen
11. Rayno Benjamin
12. Andries Strauss
13. Robert Ebersohn
14. Philip Snyman
15. Hennie Daniller

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

[/TD]
[TD]CJ van der Linde (PR, Stormers)
Cassie Visagie (HK, Western Province)
Eddie Bredenhann (SH, Junior Waratahs)
Elgar Watts (FH, Stormers)
[/TD]
[TD]George Earle (LK, Cheetahs)
Jonathan Mokuena (FL, Cheetahs)
Josh Strauss (N8, Bulls)
Jano Vermaak (SH, Bulls)
Rory Kockott (SH, Castres)
André Pretorius (FH, Toulon)[/TD]
[TD]1. CJ van der Linde
2. Bandise Maku
3. Pat Cilliers
4. Wikus van Heerden
5. Franco van der Merwe
6. Derick Minnie
7. Michael Rhodes
8. Josh Strauss
[/TD]
[TD]9. Michael Bondesio
10. Butch James
11. Deon van Rensburg
12. Doppies la Grange
13. Waylon Murray
14. Lionel Mapoe
15. Jaco Taute
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
[/TD]
[TD]Marius Joubert (CT, Clermont)
Tim Whitehead (CT, Stormers)
Riaan Viljoen (FB, Cheetahs)
[/TD]
[TD]John Smit (HK, Saracens)
Eugene van Staden (PR, Biarritz)
Gerhard Mostert (LK, Stade Français)
Steven Sykes (LK, Leinster)
Riaan Swanepoel (CT, Clermont)
Stefan Terblanche (CT, retired)
[/TD]
[TD]1. Tendai 'Beast' Mtawarira
2. Bismarck du Plessis
3. Jannie du Plessis
4. Jean Deysel
5. Alistair Hargreaves
6. Keegan Daniel
7. Willem Alberts
8. Ryan Kankowski
[/TD]
[TD]9. Charl McLeod
10. Frédéric Michalak
11. JP Pietersen
12. Meyer Bosman
13. Marius Joubert
14. Odwa Ndungane
15. Pat Lambie
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

[/TD]
[TD]Gerhard van den Heever (WG, Bulls)
JP du Plessis (WG, Melbourne Rebels)
[/TD]
[TD]Ethienne Reynecke (HK, Connacht)
CJ van der Linde (PR, Lions)
Anton van Zyl (LK, Stade Français)
Francois Louw (FL, Bath)
Ricky Januarie (SH, Lyon)
Lionel Cronjé (FH, Bulls)
Elgar Watts (FH, Lions)
Peter Grant (FH, Kobelco Steelers, loan)
Johann Sadie (CT, Bulls)
Paul Bosch (CT, Montpellier)
Jaque Fourie (CT, Panasonic Wild Knights, loan)
Tim Whitehead (CT, Sharks)
JJ Engelbrecht (WG, Bulls)
[/TD]
[TD]1. Wicus Blaauw
2. Tiaan Liebenberg
3. Brok Harris
4. Rynhardt Elstadt
5. Andries Bekker
6. Schalk Burger
7. Siya Kolisi
8. Duane Vermeulen
[/TD]
[TD]9. Dewaldt Duvenage
10. Peter Grant
11. Bryan Habana
12. Jean de Villiers
13. Jaque Fourie
14. Gerhard van den Heever
15. Gio Aplon[/TD]
[/TR]
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