RWC: South Africa - Wales (11-09-2011, 20:30)

[monkeypigeon]

Wales out enthused SA for 80 minutes but lost. cant believe a northern hemisphere team to miss crucial kicks. I thought final pass to Faletau was forward. SA very lucky and be interesting to see what happens with Botha and Matfield injuries.

Wales forwards were very cohesive unit and full of running. 9 was good 10 ok centres and Williams great but 15 a worry.

I was wondering if anyone else had noticed that.

Though it's one of those forward passes I don't mind seeing missed/ignored. If it's marginal, allow it, - rather than just blowing up every little anything, like many refs are inclined to do.

 

[gingergenius]

People saying Wales deserved to win - they didn't, Priestland & Hook's misses in the last 10 put paid to that.

That said, an outstanding Welsh performance - they really should have won, and for the vast majority of the match looked the better side. I don't have any more plaudits for Warburton, and the 2nd half was the first time I've ever had anything good to say about Faletau. With confidence from that he can be a big player in the future.

SA - well everyone knows that a 30 man world cup squad selected from all over the world would contain 3 hookers, two of them South African. What a shame that one never starts and one isn't even at the world cup. Big difference with du Plessis on for Smit.

Man of the match - South Africa's bench.

And Wayne Barnes is easily up there with the world's best refs. Not perfect, but is clear, consistent, not fussy and lets the game flow.

 

[Ostrayian]

South Africa did'nt deserve that win by a long shot. Hope wales play like that for the rest of the tournament. - Was it just me or were SA offside alot at the ruck?

yeah the boks were offside a lot. Barnes would warn them and then forget for another 10 minutes.

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

Lots of emotion there.

Firstly, we are better than an average side, as an average side would have buckled under the pressure Wales put on them. We were totally outplayed tonight though. We couldn't get the ball. Ever.

What we did do though, was take all of our chances when we had them. Which is something that Wales did not do. Every proud Welshman can suck my d.i.c.k that thinks they deserved to win when they were not good enough to beat our defense more than once. We outscored you, with half the possession.

Barnes was useless, and had pathetic calls going against both teams. Wales got away with murder at the breakdown, because they never EVER release the tackled player before trying to steal the ball. The Springboks were offsides a lot, and were not pinged. The calls were bad on both sides, which is another reason why I say Northern Hemishpere referees are useless.

Wales were gallant, determined, and played the best game I have ever seen them play. But one thing they didn't do, was capitalise on all that possession by converting it to points, which is how you win tournaments like these.

1) disagree about barnes. 2) agree about wales never releasing before competing. 3) So, for example, you think Bryce Lawrence is better than Wayne Barnes? I really hope not man!

 

[Ostrayian]

So, for example, you think Bryce Lawrence is better than Wayne Barnes? I really hope not man!

Based on this weekends performance , yes. The Poms deserved every penalty against them though Cole was unlucky to get a yellow card. Barnes was Kak!

 

[Teh Mite]

Before this descends into a NH refs vs SH refs debate, let's be clear about one thing - All referees are crap because there are too many laws stifling the game (you can thank John O'Neil and his mungoball ELVs for that).

That said however, Some referees (Barnes, Walsh, Owens, Lawrence & rolland in particular) are just pedantic arseholes who love the limelight.

 

[demaneR]

Suck a lemon.

 

[Thingimubob]

That was the Faletau we see for the Dragons, hope he can keep that kind of form up now!

Who was man of the match btw? They never seem to say on the coverage...

 

[Thingimubob]

Suck a lemon.

Great grown up input for your first post...

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

Phew, well done to Wales. Those new unknown faces really played well and they were the more accurate team.

Sa still a bit of distance but still improving. Meer samespel word benodig, manne!

 

[monkeypigeon]

Nice one, way to go. Stating all NH refs are **** based on one crap ref who happens to be from the NH..

Either way tbh Wales should've won. That penalty imo went over and in the end that was the difference. Saying that we also had another 2 shots at it with a drop goal and another penalty but couldnt take those chances.

YAY! Ref arguments.

Jericho says the ref was bad with offsides (South Africa) and not releasing the player (Wales), but not once was he approached by either captain with regards this.

So either play the ref and start doing in yourself or you have no right to complain - that's how I see it.

The ref has alot to do and is never going to have every aspect of his game correct, so long as they communicate well then I don't care. Wayne Barnes is usually willing to have the chats and explain x & Y. That is why he's grown on me. Allain Rolaind communicates well, as does Nigel Owens and Kaplan.

Roman Poite and McPhearson are however complete dicks who don't explain what they're giving penalties for and don't listen to any captain who speaks to them resulting in Chaos.

So, Barnes may have been wrong, but nobody said '"I don't think they're releasing players before they pick the ball" or "They're on top of us very quickly after each phase - are they offside?". Same with Joubert today. Captain Fantastic Brian O'Driscoll at no point was curios as to why the USA could basicaly join a ruck or maul from absolutely any angle and do belly flops onto the ball - he should pick it up, but he didn't miss any knock-ons, offsides, questionable binding etc and if nobody calls him up on it then he's not going to have a sudden epiphone




Edit: Everyone has a list of referees who they think are pedantic arseholes who just want to enjoy the limelight. They all differ. Usually because of memories of bad calls against your team. If they're on the panel they're doing something right - except Poite. He's just an asshole.

 

[Me 1]

Who was man of the match btw? They never seem to say on the coverage...

Warburton

Well, despite being ****** off at losing that, the entire team played well, and the centre partnership actually worked well this time!

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

People saying Wales deserved to win - they didn't, Priestland & Hook's misses in the last 10 put paid to that.

That said, an outstanding Welsh performance - they really should have won, and for the vast majority of the match looked the better side. I don't have any more plaudits for Warburton, and the 2nd half was the first time I've ever had anything good to say about Faletau. With confidence from that he can be a big player in the future.

SA - well everyone knows that a 30 man world cup squad selected from all over the world would contain 3 hookers, two of them South African. What a shame that one never starts and one isn't even at the world cup. Big difference with du Plessis on for Smit.

Man of the match - South Africa's bench.

And Wayne Barnes is easily up there with the world's best refs. Not perfect, but is clear, consistent, not fussy and lets the game flow.

Yeah, Barnes had an alright game; I'd have prefered him cracking downa bit more but that could have spoiled the game.

yeah the boks were offside a lot. Barnes would warn them and then forget for another 10 minutes.

Yeah but should mention Wales throwing skew into almost every line-out, a lot of time not releasing tackled players and playing off side at the ruck.

 

[fred.arnold]

I think they should take JDV's injury as a blessing... Now what PDV should do is send him home and fly Lwazi Mvovo to NZ and drop that useless Habana... Then they can put Frans Steyn at 12 and Lambie at 15... I wish PDV can stop thinking the sun shine's out of Morne Steyn's behind, he almost cost us the game with his great defence...

 

[Ostrayian]

Yeah, Barnes had an alright game; I'd have prefered him cracking downa bit more but that could have spoiled the game.



Yeah but should mention Wales throwing skew into almost every line-out, a lot of time not releasing tackled players and playing off side at the ruck.

Its been already said barnes was terrible for both sides. The question was asked specifically about offside.

 

[JW.]

YAY! Ref arguments.

Jericho says the ref was bad with offsides (South Africa) and not releasing the player (Wales), but not once was he approached by either captain with regards this.

So either play the ref and start doing in yourself or you have no right to complain - that's how I see it.

The ref has alot to do and is never going to have every aspect of his game correct, so long as they communicate well then I don't care. Wayne Barnes is usually willing to have the chats and explain x & Y. That is why he's grown on me. Allain Rolaind communicates well, as does Nigel Owens and Kaplan.

Roman Poite and McPhearson are however complete dicks who don't explain what they're giving penalties for and don't listen to any captain who speaks to them resulting in Chaos.

So, Barnes may have been wrong, but nobody said '"I don't think they're releasing players before they pick the ball" or "They're on top of us very quickly after each phase - are they offside?". Same with Joubert today. Captain Fantastic Brian O'Driscoll at no point was curios as to why the USA could basicaly join a ruck or maul from absolutely any angle and do belly flops onto the ball - he should pick it up, but he didn't miss any knock-ons, offsides, questionable binding etc and if nobody calls him up on it then he's not going to have a sudden epiphone




Edit: Everyone has a list of referees who they think are pedantic arseholes who just want to enjoy the limelight. They all differ. Usually because of memories of bad calls against your team. If they're on the panel they're doing something right - except Poite. He's just an asshole.

Good post!

As for Poite he can't help it, after all he's French!

 

[TrueSlawter]

YAY! Ref arguments.

Jericho says the ref was bad with offsides (South Africa) and not releasing the player (Wales), but not once was he approached by either captain with regards this.

So either play the ref and start doing in yourself or you have no right to complain - that's how I see it.

The ref has alot to do and is never going to have every aspect of his game correct, so long as they communicate well then I don't care. Wayne Barnes is usually willing to have the chats and explain x & Y. That is why he's grown on me. Allain Rolaind communicates well, as does Nigel Owens and Kaplan.

Roman Poite and McPhearson are however complete dicks who don't explain what they're giving penalties for and don't listen to any captain who speaks to them resulting in Chaos.

So, Barnes may have been wrong, but nobody said '"I don't think they're releasing players before they pick the ball" or "They're on top of us very quickly after each phase - are they offside?". Same with Joubert today. Captain Fantastic Brian O'Driscoll at no point was curios as to why the USA could basicaly join a ruck or maul from absolutely any angle and do belly flops onto the ball - he should pick it up, but he didn't miss any knock-ons, offsides, questionable binding etc and if nobody calls him up on it then he's not going to have a sudden epiphone




Edit: Everyone has a list of referees who they think are pedantic arseholes who just want to enjoy the limelight. They all differ. Usually because of memories of bad calls against your team. If they're on the panel they're doing something right - except Poite. He's just an asshole.

Why quote me on that? xD All I said was not to paint all NH with the same brush based off the fact a ref on the night was bad.

 

[j'nuh]

Another win that never was for Wales against SA. That's 3 on the trot now. But this time it didn't even seem like a contest - it looked like Wales could have pulled away and ran away with it. Warburton is exceptional. In a weekend where Pocock and McCaw played, he'd take 7 of the weekend on my team sheet. MOTM and I think the best player of the weekend. Roberts and Lydiate have had their best game in ages. Most of the rest of the team played really well too. Hook up to his usual standard. I don't think Priestland should have kicked the ball away whilst in attack as often as he did - at times it seemed his team were unprepared for it too, but otherwise he had a great game.

I honestly don't know where things went wrong.

Also, for SA's second try, I think Barnes' positioning was poor. He stood in the channel that Hougaard ran through to score his try. It seems to me as if:
1) this may have created an illusion amongst the Welsh players that the gap was smaller than it really was
2) I think this may have blocked Shane Williams' view, who was acting as a covering fullback at the time, of Hougaard.

I'm hoping this match partly puts to bed the illusion that there's a massive gap between the NH and SH currently though.

 

[donmcdazzle]

I've just got home, voice gone from screaming for Wales. Felt like all the neutrals were behind them to get the upset. Gutting to not get home there, that last Hook penalty or the dropgoal had to go over.

Roberts was a machine, great player he made so many yards all day, wish Sonny Bill played like he does. Runs like a racehorse straight and hard.

Is it just me or does Brussow cheat each and every time he gets a turnover? Seems to come from the side all the time. Good defence for SA was about the best thing to take out of it for them.. interesting game though. If Samoa can be disciplined on defence and patient on attack I reckon they could give both these sides a scare.

 

[Jackal]

Too close, really heartbreaking for Wales. However, you need to take your chances. Wales didn't. SA really not looking good. No way the cup is going to be retained. Just hope the AB's choke again otherwise
this WC might turn into a boring affair. Group Death.