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And here lies the problem, Russian education is clearly woefully lacking when it comes to the atrocities committed by their side. It's just like how modern Chinese aren't taught about Tianamen square.

Stalin was a tyrant who massacred millions without thought. He was a megalomaniac and the USSR brought misery to eastern Europe for decades. Want evidence? Compare eastern Europe to western Europe or even better, east Germany to west Germany. Hell even within just Berlin the difference between the 2 sides is still there for all to see.

Until Stalin's because Eastern Europe was much better than the West!

It is obvious!:lol:

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Mate he does it all the time, in his head all our governments tell lies and false propaganda while the Russians all tell the truth. Blokes a proper brainwashed nut

Catch me on a lie and I agree with you.

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I know but still...

I lost to the West a person is useless to argue with me ...:cool:

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Until Stalin's because Eastern Europe was much better than the West!

It is obvious!:lol:

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Catch me on a lie and I agree with you.

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I lost to the West a person is useless to argue with me ...:cool:

I can catch you on loads but you wouldn't believe me anyway.

The world according to Vladimir12:

1. The west hates Russia because that's what we told by our not at all biased state tv.

2. Putin is a great leader who isn't at all leading Russia into economic ruin.

3. Military intervention by Russia is always justified. Military intervention by NATO never justified.

4. Stalin was a very great man.

5. Russia is a happy country with very little crime. Stories of the Russian mafia are lies spread by Fox news.

6. Russia very important country that everyone is scared of, but you don't need to be my friends! We very nice!
 
 
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I can catch you on loads but you wouldn't believe me anyway.

The world according to Vladimir12:

1. The west hates Russia because that's what we told by our not at all biased state tv.

2. Putin is a great leader who isn't at all leading Russia into economic ruin.

3. Military intervention by Russia is always justified. Military intervention by NATO never justified.

4. Stalin was a very great man.

5. Russia is a happy country with very little crime. Stories of the Russian mafia are lies spread by Fox news.

6. Russia very important country that everyone is scared of, but you don't need to be my friends! We very nice!

1. The West is systematically spread lies about Russia.

2. Achievements of Russia under Putin are evident for all.

Who does not see a blind man!

3. I remember the example of Afghanistan.

After '91, we thought that the Russian main aggressors in the world, but
Then we followed the events get rid of these errors ...

4.Stalin was a man who won World War II and made the Soviet Union a great power.

5.Russky mafia who is this?

Jews from New York? I read a lot about the "Russian mafia" in the US with Jews at the helm.

Mogilevich? It is Russian the same as Khodorkovsky)))

6.Russia is the country from which the West makes monsters.

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Here's a good song!:cool:

[video]https://youtu.be/DDKVv_A6GTs[/video]
 
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Why does the Soviet Union no longer exist?

4) Actually USA and Russia won the war together with help from us plucky Brits (who get some credit for hanging on in there when nobody was helping and everyone else had already lost.
 
And more !:cool:

[video]https://youtu.be/p6q7jR63dGc[/video]

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Why does the Soviet Union no longer exist?

4) Actually USA and Russia won the war together with help from us plucky Brits (who get some credit for hanging on in there when nobody was helping and everyone else had already lost.

Sure!

I did not mean that he did it alone.

But he was a winner!
 
See told you, blokes a complete fanatic.
 
And more !:cool:

[video]https://youtu.be/p6q7jR63dGc[/video]

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Sure!

I did not mean that he did it alone.

But he was a winner!
Of course after the war both sides went into a dick measuring contest but I don't remember Truman or Eisenhower killing through their policies at the lowest estimate 3 million people but at the top end 60 million. Chairman Mao and Hitler are the only guys who've probably done better and under worse policies.

Nice bloke that Stalin.

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20 million is though to be the most educated estimate.

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Now you won't see me argue that the west doesn't have propaganda issues when it comes to Russia but there's a heavy amount the pot calling the kettle black there because when it comes to propaganda the Soviet Union was king. However lets try to get some basic history right.
 
See told you, blokes a complete fanatic.


Oh my God! I do not see a Schengen visa!

This is Russia!

[video]https://youtu.be/IQWl1f91XBM[/video]

Enemies have burnt native hut,
Killing his family.
Where to go now to the soldier,
To carry his sorrow?

I went soldiers in deep grief
At the intersection of two roads,
Soldiers found a wide field
Grass overgrown mound.

Should soldiers - and like lumps
Stuck in his throat.
The soldier said: "There are, Praskovya,
Hero - her husband.

Prepare for the guest meals,
Cover with a table in the house -
His day one will return the holiday
To you I come to celebrate ... "

No soldier did not answer,
No it is not met,
It was only a warm summer breeze
Grass shook the grave.

He sighed the soldiers straightened belt.
He opened his bag camp,
Bitter bottle set
On the gray stone coffin:

"Do not blame me, Praskovya,
What I have come to you as follows:
I wanted to drink to the health,
And to drink for the dead.

Come together again friends, girlfriends,
But do we ever come together ... "
And the soldiers drank from a copper mug
Wine with grief in half.

He drank - a soldier, a servant of the people -
And with a heavy heart to say:
"I was going to see you for four years,
I won three powers ... "

Becoming exhilarated soldiers, tears rolled,
Tear dashed hopes,
And on his chest shone
Medal of the city of Budapest.



But the Poles they demolished monuments! And you are silent!

We will never understand each other.

Very sorry!:cool:

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Of course after the war both sides went into a dick measuring contest but I don't remember Truman or Eisenhower killing through their policies at the lowest estimate 3 million people but at the top end 60 million. Chairman Mao and Hitler are the only guys who've probably done better and under worse policies.

Nice bloke that Stalin.

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20 million is though to be the most educated estimate.

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Now you won't see me argue that the west doesn't have propaganda issues when it comes to Russia but there's a heavy amount the pot calling the kettle black there because when it comes to propaganda the Soviet Union was king. However lets try to get some basic history right.

Not 20 million or not 60!

You have the wrong knowledge of which you are making the wrong conclusions!
 
Oh my God! I do not see a Schengen visa!

This is Russia!

[video]https://youtu.be/IQWl1f91XBM[/video]

Enemies have burnt native hut,
Killing his family.
Where to go now to the soldier,
To carry his sorrow?

I went soldiers in deep grief
At the intersection of two roads,
Soldiers found a wide field
Grass overgrown mound.

Should soldiers - and like lumps
Stuck in his throat.
The soldier said: "There are, Praskovya,
Hero - her husband.

Prepare for the guest meals,
Cover with a table in the house -
His day one will return the holiday
To you I come to celebrate ... "

No soldier did not answer,
No it is not met,
It was only a warm summer breeze
Grass shook the grave.

He sighed the soldiers straightened belt.
He opened his bag camp,
Bitter bottle set
On the gray stone coffin:

"Do not blame me, Praskovya,
What I have come to you as follows:
I wanted to drink to the health,
And to drink for the dead.

Come together again friends, girlfriends,
But do we ever come together ... "
And the soldiers drank from a copper mug
Wine with grief in half.

He drank - a soldier, a servant of the people -
And with a heavy heart to say:
"I was going to see you for four years,
I won three powers ... "

Becoming exhilarated soldiers, tears rolled,
Tear dashed hopes,
And on his chest shone
Medal of the city of Budapest.



But the Poles they demolished monuments! And you are silent!

We will never understand each other.

Very sorry!:cool:

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Not 20 million or not 60!

You have the wrong knowledge of which you are making the wrong conclusions!

Oh FFS shut up. Like anyone wants to read your **** poetry.
 
Oh FFS shut up. Like anyone wants to read your **** poetry.

Our people cry when they hear this song.

from you it is not required.

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I thought that you write about the victims of the tyrant Stalin in the 20-60 million.

I do not understand your post.

The army lost about 9 million soldiers.

Civilians killed an unknown number.
 
I do not understand your post.
That's because

a) You're a idiot.
b) You can't read.

Okay what do you call 800,000 executions, according to official Russian records that were committed during Stalin's regime? The acts of a nice fluffy leader who loved his country or a nutjob?
 
That's because

a) You're a idiot.
b) You can't read.

Okay what do you call 800,000 executions, according to official Russian records that were committed during Stalin's regime? The acts of a nice fluffy leader who loved his country or a nutjob?

In any case, I know English better than you are Russian.

Also I can speak a little of several languages ​​of the Caucasus.

But if that idiot the two of us it was me, I can not tell you disable it.

This number includes the execution of people convicted of real crimes.

For treason, collaboration, murder and so on.

You know, in the Soviet Union in the 30 years of the last century were the rebels of hundreds or even thousands of people.

Tens of millions of people have moved from the countryside to the city and began to work.

Completely ruined the country, she was only 20 years before a new war.

Stalin solved the problem facing it that way.

At least he loved his country more than Gorbachev ...:cool:
 
Yes the English education system was pretty poor at teaching me foreign languages.

Really 800,000 people committed crimes worthy of execution? Why has Russia abolished death penalty if there are crimes worthy of it?

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Sorry not abolished (misread something) it's a moratorium but Russia hasn't seen need to execute a citizen for 19 years, yet 800,000 in 30 years of Stalin.

Guess Stalin killed all the bad Russian's good on him /sarcasm
 
Yes the English education system was pretty poor at teaching me foreign languages.

Really 800,000 people committed crimes worthy of execution? Why has Russia abolished death penalty if there are crimes worthy of it?

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Sorry not abolished (misread something) it's a moratorium but Russia hasn't seen need to execute a citizen for 19 years, yet 800,000 in 30 years of Stalin.

Guess Stalin killed all the bad Russian's good on him /sarcasm

I'm not saying that all the 800,000 were guilty!

Of course there were innocent! At the time, we could take and shot a recidivist prisoner, former nobleman or a wealthy landowner.

Russia under Yeltsin imposed a moratorium on the death penalty to join the Council of Europe.

By the way under Stalin was the abolition of the death penalty in 1947 -50.

And from October 1917 to September 1918, Lenin abolished the death penalty.

I am personally a supporter of the death penalty for murderers intentional.

As for treason and betrayal of the country.

Most of Russia in favor of the death penalty.

Putin against the death penalty.

Hopefully democratic principles prevail.

If Russia will introduce the death penalty this would mean Russia's withdrawal from the Council of Europe and the final break with the West ...:cool:
 
This is clearly a biased conversation/debate.
You guys are just fighting for the side you are on ( which would be obvious) but that does not give you moral high ground to accuse the other country of crimes committed
The USA committed a lot of atrocities and their allies if they did did not join in they did not really condemn the actions of the US.
Russia also has its fair share of call it "violations" point is you in the UK get fed info by your local media and education system of your side of the story and its the same with the Russians and the Americans and so on. Everyone in the world is fed information in their specific country through the mediums of media and education based on the current goverment of that specific country. So in essence even though you think you are right and every other countries version is wrong. your piece of history is still just a version that some people higher up thought is appropriate for you too hear.
 
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