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A tragically poor decision to provide the same sort of level of fine to a Superliga team than to a French or English top division side.

Once Timisoara plays in the same competitions I think should suffer obviously the same type of punishment if it's the case. I don't think will cause any bankruptcy or financial issues. However, what is annoying is that the decisions looks kind of wrong, with poorly drawn conclusions and it is probably the maximum level of punishment which is kind of odd tbh.
 
Here is Romania's decimated squad for the Portugal test and the matches against Germany and Spain in the REC/ENC:

Props:
Mihai Lazar (Castres Olympique)
Constantin Pristavita (Stiinta Baia Mare)
Alexandru Tarus (Beziers)
Alexandru Gordas (CSA Steaua)
Andrei Ursache (Carcassonne)
Bogdan Neacsu (Dinamo)
Vlad Badalicescu (Steaua)
Alexandru Savin (CSM Bucuresti)

Hookers:
Florin Bardasu (Baia Mare)
Marian Capatana (Timisoara Saracens)
Otar Turashvili (Colomiers)

Locks:
Valentin Poparlan (Timisoara Saracens)
Andrei Iurea (Baia Mare)
Johan Van Heerden (Stiinta Baia Mare)
Ionut Muresan (Timisoara Saracens)

Backrow:
Viorel Lucaci (CSA Steaua)
Andrei Gorcioaia (Massy)
Cristian Chirica (Stiinta Baia Mare)
Vlad Nistor (Albi)
Dorin Lazar (Timisoara Saracens)
Razvan Ailenei (Stiinta Baia Mare)

Scrum half:
Valentin Calafeteanu (Timisoara Saracens)
Florin Surugiu (CSA Steaua )
Alexandru Tigla (Stiinta Baia Mare)

Fly half:
Jody Rose (Timisoara Saracens)

Centres:
Florin Vlaicu (CSA Steaua)
Jack Umaga (Timisoara Saracens)
Florin Vladut Popa (Timisoara Saracens)

Wingers:
Stephen Shennan (Timisoara Saracens)
Ionut Dumitru (CSA Steaua)
Madalin Lemnaru (Timisoara Saracens)

Fullbacks:
Catalin Fercu (Timisoara Saracens)
Samoa Luke (Stiinta Baia Mare)

Numerous key players are missing, the worst situation is in the backrow where 4 players are unavailable: Mihai Macovei, Vali Ursache, Stelian Burcea and Vasile Rus. Other normal starters who won't be playing in these matches: Andrei Radoi, Horatiu Pungea, Ionel Badiu, Marius Antonescu, Paula Kinikinilau, Tangimana Fonovai.
 
My prediction of CSM competing for the Superliga could be coming true. I'm a genius! :p

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Sounds like this will really weaken Timisoara for the liga challenge and also the Challenge Cup playoffs?



It will be very hard for Timisoara to qualify again. They have to beat russian side Krasny Yar and KY is very strong. They lost in final of the russian championship against Enisei-STM, but they win the first leg of the final. Krasny Yar is based in the same city than Enisei-STM (Krasnoyarsk) and their squad include many russian internationals and a bunch of foreign players. Most notables of them :
- Vasily Artemyev (centre/winger/fullback) : 67 caps for Russia, played 2 seasons for Northampton including 8 Champions Cup games
- Viktor Gresev (backrow) : 84 caps for Russia, 2-times MOTM during 2011 RWC, former Wasps player
- Lasha Malaguradze (centre/flyhalf) : 73 caps for Georgia, started 2015 RWC games, played in ProD2 for Beziers
- Eddie Paea (flyhalf/fullback) : 2 caps for Tonga, played for Rabbitohs in NRL (rugby league) and for Northland in NPC
- Andrei Mahu (lock) : moldovan international, played for Zebre in Pro12
- Sione Fukofuka (prop) : 2 caps for Tonga
- Victor Arhip (backrow) : moldovan international, voted player of the season by the fans

It will be nice to have again a romanian team in Challenge Cup but this season was hard for Timisoara in Challenge Cup, each time trashed, and it will be hard for them to qualify again... Maybe next year CSM will be more structured with a more interesting squad. Looking forward to know the names of their new foreign signings
 
Timisoara is in bad shape at the moment, their Challenge Cup campaign was awful and several important players are leaving, but I wouldn't write them off yet. Calafeteanu leaving is actually a blessing for Timisoara and surely there will be some transfers before the restart of the Superliga.

As for CSM, I doubt they can really compete for the ***le this season, assembling all of the new players into a team takes time. However, CSM can be very strong next year. Bruce was indeed the only one to foresee this, congrats :)
 
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As expected, Alin Petrache has been elected today as FRR president. What is unexpected is there wasn't any vote against him, every delegate was in favour. This confirms the rumours that all clubs support the undisclosed project of Petrache for the future of Romanian rugby, which is supposed to be extremely ambitious.
 
Hi all new poster here,
I've never really followed Romanian rugby (just at world cups really) so I was wondering what people's hopes and expectations are for the future (for Romanian rugby).
As a side note, I will be following the 'Six Nations B' as I've heard good things about teams like Romania, Spain, Russia and Georgia. What is romania's team like for this competition?
 
Hi all new poster here,
I've never really followed Romanian rugby (just at world cups really) so I was wondering what people's hopes and expectations are for the future (for Romanian rugby).
As a side note, I will be following the 'Six Nations B' as I've heard good things about teams like Romania, Spain, Russia and Georgia. What is romania's team like for this competition?

Welcome aboard. I've become a follower of Romanian rugby for reasons I can't quite explain and enjoy watching some of their domestic league (go Steaua!). I can't speak too much (or with much knowledge) about the Six Nations B (REC) squad for Romania, although it looks like they are picking a near first choice backline for this. Understandable as World Cup qualification is at stake depending on REC results (over the next two seasons?).

Spain and Germany are to my mind improving fast. Russia are an enigma, with unusually strong performances at club level that are simply not replicated by the same players in a national shirt. Romania should still have the edge against all these teams after fairly comprehensive victories against stronger sides in November, but it is far from certain and will result in entertaining and attractive rugby (weather permitting). Georgia are a step ahead and the improvement in Romanian backs, to my mind at least, doesn't quite seem to be being replicated in Romanian forwards. So Georgia may manage to still dominate there. But on a good day, in a home fixture, I think this Romanian team could compete with an improving Georgia, although as underdogs. Long term, I see the gap between Georgia and their REC rivals closing, as Russia, Romania and Spain are well ahead of Georgia in understanding that future success on rugby is dependent on good play amongst the backs rather than purely on brute force in the forwards.

Focussing on Romania I'm encouraged by what I see in Romania with the Superliga. The standard is variable and much of it is significantly below the top level of the Russian top league, but I get the impression there is a lot of thought going into how to combine improving the Romanian national side, with providing an entertaining domestic league. There are definitely signs of significant young talent coming through the Superliga and knocking on the door of the international side and a determination for both forwards and backs to be comfortable with ball in hand. What may hold them back in my opinion is that the Superliga benefits from having more competitive teams, and continues to expand from 6, to 7, to 8 teams. However, this dilutes the talent in each side and arguably means that international players (most of whom play in the domestic league) are playing in lower quality sides against lower quality sides (compared to Scotland and Italy for example who have almost all their international talent in two club sides, which means they are playing at as high a level as possible). I do agree with an expanded Superliga though if the sport is to grow in Romania, so it would be a sensible price to pay if my analysis is correct. There are also now a couple of decent calibre coaches in the Superliga, which can only be a good thing and Rugby Europe structures give Superliga sides the potential of access to the Challenge cup.

Extension of the residency rule will hurt Romania perhaps more than any other international side (other than Japan) in my opinion and will strengthen the Pacific Islands, so I expect the gap between them to grow in the short to medium term. However, I don't see the gap widening between Romania and Georgia, or Italy (infact, probably the reverse) and expect them to maintain their gap on USA and Canada. Whether they can knock on the door of a competitive top 12 will depend on who replaces their current coach (expect to happen this year).

The REC will be fascinating to watch. Georgia are already qualified for the RWC, so can experiment. However, they will be desperate to win the competition so that they can say "We need the 6N as we've won the REC 7 times in a row". The concern is every other team will play weakened sides against Georgia as I believe results against them will not impact on RWC qualification.

Hopefully Dragos and amz will be along to correct my false assumptions!
 
Well, I disagree with most of your post to be honest. You say Romania could compete with Georgia at home only on a good day, we have always been competitive actually and they were very lucky to escape defeat for so many years (several close matches were lost due to referee errors or our kickers having a bad day). Last's year's match in Tbilissi is not relevant, since we used a team of reserves.

I disagree about the supposed gap between Superliga and the Russian league as well, the difference is that they only have two strong teams, while our league is a lot more competitive (the worst Superliga club was even able to defeat the champions twice, that would be unthinkable in Russia). It's debatable which model is the best, but I think a more balanced league with more clubs is better.

I don't think the residency rule change will hurt us that much. The most important impact of the foreigners who play in the Superliga was not the eligibile players (they are decent but do not have a decisive impact), but the shift towards a faster and more modern gameplan in Romanian clubs. Because of these islanders, local players have learned how to defend better and have improved their speed and creativity. I think the benefits are obvious if you look at the new generation of promising Romanian backs. This will be a long-term effect, regardless of the residency rule.

FRR will decrease the number of foreign players in the league anyway. What we actually need is more foreign coaches (quality ones, like Bradley) and less players (but of a higher standard).

I fear the REC will be quite poor this season. Georgia will win it again because every other nation will use their reserves against them (except for Romania, but the Georgians will also use their strongest side). The match between Spain and Russia tomorrow will be crucial because the winner will compete with the Oaks for direct qualification. If Spain wins, their French players will be available for more matches and they can be competitive. If Russia wins, Spain will field a largely domestic side and can even be challenged by Germany or Belgium.

As always, Russia will play dirty. Expect their home match against us to be moved from one city to another one at the last minute, in order to force the Oaks to travel by bus. Some of our players and staff will be denied visas and we'll have to warm up in a parking lot or a park.

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Here are the teams for Romania vs Germany. Given the absence of the usual captains (Macovei, Burcea or Vali Ursache), Mihai Lazar will lead the Oaks for the first time.

Romania
1. Mihaita Lazar (Castres ) (C)
2. Otar Turashvili (Colomiers)
3. Andrei Ursache (Carcassonne)
4. Valentin Poparlan (Timisoara Saracens)
5. Johan Van Heerden (Stiinta Baia Mare)
6. Viorel Lucaci (CSA Steaua)
7. Vlad Nistor (Albi)
8. Andrei Gorcioaia (Massy)
9. Florin Surugiu (CSA Steaua)
10. Jody Rose (Timisoara Saracens)
11. Stephen Shannan (Timisoara Saracens)
12. Florin Vlaicu (CSA Steaua)
13. Jack Umaga (Timisoara Saracens)
14. Ionut Dumitru (CSA Steaua)
15.Catalin Fercu (Timisoara Saracens)

16. Marian Eugen Capatana (Timisoara Saracens)
17. Constantin Pristavita (Stiinta Baia Mare)
18. Alexandru Tarus (Beziers)
19. Ionut Muresan (Timisoara Saracens)
20. Dorin Lazar (Timisoara Saracens)
21. Valentin Calafeteanu (CSM Bucuresti)
22. Madalin Lemnaru (Timisoara Saracens)
23. Luke Samoa (Stiinta Baia Mare)


Germany
1. Julius Nostadt
2. Mika Tyumenev
3. Damien Tussac
4. Eric Marks
5. Michael Poppmeier
6. Jaco Otto
7. Sebastian Ferreira
8. Jarrid Els
9. Tim Menzel
10. Raynor Parkinson
11. Steffen Liebig
12. Carlos Soteras-Merz
13. Clemens von Grumbkow
14. Marcel Coetzee
15. Harris Aounallah

16. Dash Barber
17. Jörn Schröder
18. Samy Füchsel
19. Timo Vollenkemper
20. Kehoma Brenner
21. Sean Armstrong
22. Chris Hilsenbeck
23. Jamie Murphy
 
I did say I was happy to be corrected! I agree the Superliga structure is far superior to the shrinking Russian premier league, and long term I would be far, far more optimistic about the fortunes of Superliga. But Enisei can consistently defeat sides in the Challenge Cup and are not any stronger than Krasny Yar. VVA also defeated Krasny Yar in the home leg of their semi final, so are also quite strong (then the standard falls sharply). It is not fair to judge the Superliga standards based on Timisoara in Europe and it makes comparison difficult, but I just personally feel the top Russian clubs have an edge just now.

I really hope we see a full strength Romania vs a full strength Georgia. But to put my statement in context, I'd consider the gap between Romania and Georgia comparable to the gap between Scotland and Ireland. And we saw what happened last week. It is not really such a criticism, just a personal perspective on this precise moment of time. In seven weeks we will know if I am talking rubbish!

As an aside, Spain vs Russia is my top international fixture this weekend across all competitions. Mouthwatering!

Romania will have too much for an improving Germany. Shame there is no Popa. Germany are not as forward orientated as people say from what I have seen.
 
Germany
1. Julius Nostadt (Fed 1)
2. Mika Tyumenev (Fed 1)
3. Damien Tussac (Castres - Top 14)
4. Eric Marks (La Rochelle - Top 14)
5. Michael Poppmeier (HRK (Heidelberg) - EPCRQ, Bundesliga)
6. Jaco Otto (HRK)
7. Sebastian Ferreira (HRK)
8. Jarrid Els (HRK)
9. Tim Menzel (Fed 1)
10. Raynor Parkinson (HRK)
11. Steffen Liebig (HRK)
12. Carlos Soteras-Merz (TV Pforzheim - Bundesliga Champion)
13. Clemens von Grumbkow (Bundesliga)
14. Marcel Coetzee (Ulster - Pro12)
15. Harris Aounallah (HRK)

16. Dash Barber (SARU Gold Cup (~Fed 1 level?))
17. Jörn Schröder (HRK)
18. Samy Füchsel (Albi - Pro D2)
19. Timo Vollenkemper (HRK)
20. Kehoma Brenner (HRK)
21. Sean Armstrong (HRK)
22. Chris Hilsenbeck (Colomiers - Pro D2)
23. Jamie Murphy (Principality Premiership (~Fed 1 level?))

Some of the players are playing against team mates from their club.

Germany's head coach says that, while his main goal is only to win 2 home games this season, he's convinced that the German team has a real chance to beat Romania.
 
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The most interesting duel will be Lazar vs Tussac, they are usually the starting props at Castres.

Bruce, your comments are welcome and I don't see them as criticism, I'm just putting down my opinion. Maybe the Russian league is superior at the moment (hard to judge to be honest) but you wrote that the Superliga is "significantly below", which I disagree. Enisei's results in Europe have been impressive but keep in mind that their group was way easier than Timisoara's. Also, the Russians were allowed to plug the holes in their squad by loaning a few players from other clubs.

Germany will be a tricky opponent, especially because Romania traditionally has a slow start in this competition (it's off-season and the players lack both fitness and match practice). The Germans have nothing to lose.
 
All fair points Dragos. Brazil and Uruguay both looked good last weekend which really puts the German victories over them in context in November. I'm still backing Romania by 15-17 points if it is in Germany. Will they be showing it on Dolce sports? I saw a funny trailer on YouTube that suggests it will be.

Far too much rugby this weekend for one man to handle.
 
Thanks very much to the detailed replies, it will be very interesting to see how Romania develops over the years and I am really looking forward to seeing how they do this year.
Will Georgia really be that good in the REC this year? They have a number of uncapped players in their squad so I imagine they're looking to blood some youngsters and give them a chance. A chance for the likes of Romania to take advantage?
 
Georgia will not be strong but they are already qualified for Japan, so the matches against them do not count for qualification. It makes no sense for the other teams to field their best squad against Georgia, since they would risk fatigue and injuries for a result that would be be irrelevant anyway.

For Romania, the objective is to secure direct qualification for RWC, not to beat Georgia (although that would be nice). However, if Romania will have 4 wins ahead of the Georgia match in Bucharest, we could see a clash between two full-strength sides.

Bruce, the Germany match will be live on both Dolce Sport and www.rugbytv.ro.
 
You still get points for beating Georgia though. Say for example, Russia beat Georgia and Romania lose to Georgia, Russia are a minimum of 3 points better off than Romania. Sorry if I'm missing something really obvious.
 
You still get points for beating Georgia though. Say for example, Russia beat Georgia and Romania lose to Georgia, Russia are a minimum of 3 points better off than Romania. Sorry if I'm missing something really obvious.

Games against Georgia give points for Rugby Europe Championship but not for Rugby World Cup qualification. And it's far more important to qualify for RWC than REC.
 
No, those points would not count in the RWC qualification table. They would only count in the REC table, which nobody cares about.
 
Oaks really got caught off guard on Saturday. They expected an easy game and were ill-prepared for the challenge. A bit like Georgia vs Spain in 2012. Better not make the same mistake twice as Spain also looked very strong.
 

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