Robinson's time now coming to an end?

[Feicarsinn]

A coach that wants to prove himself with an international team perhaps?

Anyway i think you should stick with Robinson hes done a pretty good job in my eyes. You need to get rid of Townsend but it won't happen.

Matt Williams' tenure and its fallout from that would be enough to dissuade me.

 

[Zed]

I don't think changing coaches is going to do much. I don't think Robinson and Townsend are doing a particularly good job, but this isn't exactly a team brimming with superstars. Any other coach is going to face the same problems i.e trying to get a team of average players to overachieve and beat teams with better players. Dan Parks for example was just a club player in Australia, not even good enough to play Super rugby, hence the reason he came to the UK. Scotland just don't have the calibre of players that some of the other countries have. You look at some of the basic skills that are missing, players that can't pass and catch properly. That's not the coaches problem. I think they need to stick with the coaching team and look at tinkering with their game plan.

 

[Seaton]

John Kirwan and Rod MacQueen are both out of work, JK left Japan after RWC and RM was last coach of Melbourne Rebels but WS is assistant at New Zealand and BR is currently coach at Glousester so would take convincing to leave their roles.

I have said a few times on this thread that Kirwan would be my choice with Redpath and MacQueen next if JK wouldn't take Scotland job.

OK let the criticism start ?

There we go

So Macqueen. Obviously got some sterling results with the Aussies a decade ago. Built the Rebela side and it's fairly ineffective pack, however I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say it was down to lack of interest from better players and or senior interference.
As far as I know he is still involved with the Rebels, doesn't seem a coaching role but that begs the question why he was just coaching for one season, especially after being out of the game for the better part of a decade at pro level. I remain sceptical as to him wanting to come here.

Wayne Smith, as you say currently preoccupied and could probably get a far more, ahem, 'attractive' job than the Scotland position.

Redpath has done a decent job with Gloucester, is Scottish and finished playing career fairly recently by coaching standards. Can't argue with that one, would he be better than Robinson? Can't tell.

John Kirwan... I know some talk highly of him, but he hardly has a stellar record with the teams he has managed so far, so I remain unconvinced.

Wonder how much AR salary is... sacking him and paying out compensation on an employed coach and staff may be on the other side of £500 000 :s

 

[CaleyShaun]

Some very interesting posts on this forum and it looks as if the OP knows something that we don't regarding Mr Robinson.

Also, there is a few more names added to the list of candidates by the posters on this forum, i'll let you read through it and comment as you like but Connor O'Shea and Dean Richards are mentioned, all of who are currently in work.

http://www.606v2.com/t23936-if-robinson-were-to-leave-after-the-6n.

 

[Feicarsinn]

As a rule, listening to anything said on 606 is a bit of a waste of time.

 

[Seaton]

it looks as if the OP knows something that we don't regarding Mr Robinson. .

Lol, I'm sorry but I have to ask: Are you that easily convinced?

What on earth has he substantiated his post with other than this "... Which seems to be becoming ever more likely, who would we draft in to replace him?"

I'm sorry but I highly doubt he has any insider info that you are hoping for, go onto the football rumours site and you would be convinced Kilmarnock FC are signing Neymar from Santos in the summer.

I have my fair share of pessimistic views but we have not finished bottom once with Robinson in the Six Nations, and have had unbelievable shite go against us with him in charge, notably the Wales 2010 game and Wayne Barnes not even allowing us to contest a scrum when reffing. The same is of Italy, but back to the point, why on earth will we suddenly become the whipping boys of the competition? Only two teams have given us a right stuffing during AR's reign, New Zealand, who we shouldn't be playing and France when on the upward side of their form.

Too many people in Scotland would like to see disliked coaches continue losing so they can just say 'I told you so' at the end of the day, I sincerely hop you are not one of them.

Edit: I've just seen the Glasgow team to play Connacht.

I'll say one thing I think you will agree on, it is all well and good that the pro teams are run for the benefit of the national, but by **** if Robinson has had a role to play in Jackson starting ahead of Weir, and then will be called up next week, I'll be f*cked and I can't defend that, no one can justify selecting Jackson ahead of Weir at this stage, not even Mrs Jackson

 

[Zed]

Hasn't Robinson also got the best win % for Scotland compared to the last 3 or 4 coaches?

 

[CaleyShaun]

Probably but only because Hadden and Williams were our worst ever managers but as i have said, its a results driven job and in 12, 6 Nations matches, he's won only TWO which could easily be 2 from 15 at this rate, yes, he masterminded wins over Australia and South Africa but they were lucky imho, especially v Aus, if the player had scored that conversion/pen in last minute, we would have lost.

I am sorry but Robinson MUST GO ASAP!!!

 

[Feicarsinn]

Probably but only because Hadden and Williams were our worst ever managers but as i have said, its a results driven job and in 12, 6 Nations matches, he's won only TWO which could easily be 2 from 15 at this rate, yes, he masterminded wins over Australia and South Africa but they were lucky imho, especially v Aus, if the player had scored that conversion/pen in last minute, we would have lost.

I am sorry but Robinson MUST GO ASAP!!!

Surely most of the blame must rest on your terrible, terrible players? I mean Williams couldn't do it, nor could Hadden or Robinson. You can't blame the ciach for sub standard raw materials.

 

[Ewan25]

I believe Andy Robinson has generally been a very good coach for Scotland. the rugby we played under Hadden was woeful and hadden choosing a second XV v NZ in the France world cup was an embarrassment. since Robinson took over we have looked a lot better and despite often coming second best have still played well. it's not andy Robinson's fault that our players have made fundamental mistakes at crucial times. last year Scotland scored 3 tries in Paris but still lost. the ability IS there but the confidence and decison making under pressure has been absent. a couple of decent victories with a stable team and Scotland will get there. my only criticism of Robinson is some odd selections. his perseverance with parks and then saying he made the right decision after quitting, despite choosing him ahead of Laidlaw and Weir was astonishing. I have no idea why he started Cusiter against wales this year after his atrocious passing v england. Parks did well to hold onto Cusiter's shocking distribution.

if Rennie had offloaded v england, if Hogg had caught that ball v wales, if Gethin Jenkins hadn't had his hands on the ball when Jacobsen knocked on, if Cusiter had held the kick off v wales, it would all be different. it wasn't the way we played but these critical errors that cost Scotland dearly. those errors were not Ronbinson's fault.

 

[Zed]

Surely most of the blame must rest on your terrible, terrible players? I mean Williams couldn't do it, nor could Hadden or Robinson. You can't blame the ciach for sub standard raw materials.

Harsh, but fair. How many of the Scottish team would be good enough to play Super 15? They just don't have the players unfortunately.

 

[Feicarsinn]

Harsh, but fair. How many of the Scottish team would be good enough to play Super 15? They just don't have the players unfortunately.

You only need to look at the performance of the Under 20's to see that it's the root of the problem. Since the competition's inception they've finished 6th twice, 5th once and 4th once. The only scored 23 points last years tournament. There simply isn't enough quality to compete with Wales and Ireland, who they should be on a par with. No manager could solve the bigger problems in Scottish rugby.

 

[Zed]

I think they should seriously think about looking further afield for players with a Scottish grandmother or something.

 

[Scotsmanslanj]

I think Robinson has done the best that can be expected (Parks blind spot aside). This year in particular its been the players making mistakes which has allowed the other team to win. Against England the players should have closed out that match with all of their chances, but their crap attack has to be laid at Townsend's feet not Robinson's. Against Wales we were on level footing when we weren't playing the better of the 2 teams, but Cusiter's unbelievable mistake and then the two yellows (De Luca needs to be taken out back and shot, Scotland wouldn't miss him) handed the match to Wales on a plate.
Bottom line, no his record isn't great, and unless Scotland step it up this could our year for the Spoon, but with the players available does anyone seriously think another coach can do any better?

 

[Seaton]

To be fair to de Luca, I'd rather him at 13 with Lamont out of position at 12 than Lamont out of position at 13 and Morrison out of position at 12.

In terms of other coaches I think Robbie Deans, Sir Graham Henry or Joe Schmidt might have been able to get results out of the team, but not by a lot.

 

[ThatFellowEdwards]

Scott Johnson is very good at identifying talent and bringing it through which could be quite good for you guys.

There is that whole "being a useless coach" thing though.