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higgik said:
Yes, but they did not get any locals involved and did not have a great fan base in London.
Wasps were getting decent crowds in High Wycombe, so have a good supporter base in that area.
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Did they tho? Read it was average of 5k and it obvs didn't work because they had to move. As successful as they've been on the pitch in the past they've never seemed to have worked well off it or brought in big crowds so let them die/become an amateur club imo
 
higgik said:
Yes, but they did not get any locals involved and did not have a great fan base in London.
Wasps were getting decent crowds in High Wycombe, so have a good supporter base in that area.
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Wasps haven't got a great track record of getting the locals on side though have they? (Admittedly the locals haven't helped sometimes).

Just not comfortable with it, Wasps leave Coventry, write off most of their debt and then talk about spending loads on a new venue. Feels like a pet project for some ex players (cough dayglo cough) and their rich chums which if it succeeds will make them a few quid and if it doesn't gets written off on their tax return and leaves local businesses out of pocket.

Wasps have never been a proper club, they had a good team for a while but they have no roots.
 
stus768 said:
Did they tho? Read it was average of 5k and it obvs didn't work because they had to move. As successful as they've been on the pitch in the past they've never seemed to have worked well off it or brought in big crowds so let them die/become an amateur club imo
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Amen to that
 
McTallshort said:
Wasps haven't got a great track record of getting the locals on side though have they? (Admittedly the locals haven't helped sometimes).

Just not comfortable with it, Wasps leave Coventry, write off most of their debt and then talk about spending loads on a new venue. Feels like a pet project for some ex players (cough dayglo cough) and their rich chums which if it succeeds will make them a few quid and if it doesn't gets written off on their tax return and leaves local businesses out of pocket.

Wasps have never been a proper club, they had a good team for a while but they have no roots.
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A friend of mine is from Coventry (met a uni). He basically said there was a huge fight between the council, the football club and the fans (for and against the club). Wasps jumping into the mix via the council accepting the offer really didn't go down well. They never stood a chance of getting fans on side afterwards. Wasps did a lot to help other local teams, but the council in a sense put wasps straight in the firing line of football fans anger.

I'm not saying Wasps didn't make mistakes, but the council didn't exactly give them a great start.
 
SG59_ said:
A friend of mine is from Coventry (met a uni). He basically said there was a huge fight between the council, the football club and the fans (for and against the club). Wasps jumping into the mix via the council accepting the offer really didn't go down well. They never stood a chance of getting fans on side afterwards. Wasps did a lot to help other local teams, but the council in a sense put wasps straight in the firing line of football fans anger.

I'm not saying Wasps didn't make mistakes, but the council didn't exactly give them a great start.
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That's why I put the bit at the end of the first paragraph
 
McTallshort said:
Wasps haven't got a great track record of getting the locals on side though have they? (Admittedly the locals haven't helped sometimes).

Just not comfortable with it, Wasps leave Coventry, write off most of their debt and then talk about spending loads on a new venue. Feels like a pet project for some ex players (cough dayglo cough) and their rich chums which if it succeeds will make them a few quid and if it doesn't gets written off on their tax return and leaves local businesses out of pocket.

Wasps have never been a proper club, they had a good team for a while but they have no roots.
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This is not really coming from a sound point of view. Too much personal dislike to view this objectively I'm afraid. They had good crowds in Coventry (much better than high Wycombe, even when you take out the free tickets).

The talk and plan about spending loads of a new stadium is standard talk for any club wanting to grow etc. the key to a club is to have a really rich backer or try and make money from other commercial ventures. Neither should be judged because you take one away and our game falls over.
 
Don't Skip Leg Day said:
This is not really coming from a sound point of view. Too much personal dislike to view this objectively I'm afraid. They had good crowds in Coventry (much better than high Wycombe, even when you take out the free tickets).

The talk and plan about spending loads of a new stadium is standard talk for any club wanting to grow etc. the key to a club is to have a really rich backer or try and make money from other commercial ventures. Neither should be judged because you take one away and our game falls over.
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But you'd expect them to have larger crowds in a much larger stadium. As a percentage of the size of the ground it was probably worse?

There were always going to be issues with local stakeholders from just moving a team to a completely different place.
 
McTallshort said:
So you are happy with the way Wasps are/have behaved?
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You being angry at certain decisions by people in a club needs to be separated from the club itself. Companies go bust, people don't get paid, get over it, it's part of life. It's not the players or the fans or the coaches fault is it. The club with a great heritage deserves to get another shot.
 
Don't Skip Leg Day said:
You being angry at certain decisions by people in a club needs to be separated from the club itself. Companies go bust, people don't get paid, get over it, it's part of life. It's not the players or the fans or the coaches fault is it. The club with a great heritage deserves to get another shot.
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So you have to separate the decisions of the people running the club from the club? No sorry the people running the club are the club. That's particularly true of Wasps who are really a franchise and not a club. There is no guarantee that just because you have won a few trophies that you deserve another shot.
 
McTallshort said:
So you have to separate the decisions of the people running the club from the club? No sorry the people running the club are the club. That's particularly true of Wasps who are really a franchise and not a club. There is no guarantee that just because you have won a few trophies that you deserve another shot.
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Firstly I'm not a wasps fan. Just providing some sense to your misplaced anger.
Secondly they are not a franchise, have a little google on what a franchise actually is.
Thirdly, people running a club come and go, they do not make a club. If they did clubs would constantly cease to exist.


Just because you've got some personal vendetta against some wasps management people who may or may not still be at the club, not let that cloud your judgement. If you want to blame someone blame the people who accidentally leaked covid from the Chinese lab.
 
Don't Skip Leg Day said:
Firstly I'm not a wasps fan. Just providing some sense to your misplaced anger.
Secondly they are not a franchise, have a little google on what a franchise actually is.
Thirdly, people running a club come and go, they do not make a club. If they did clubs would constantly cease to exist.


Just because you've got some personal vendetta against some wasps management people who may or may not still be at the club, not let that cloud your judgement. If you want to blame someone blame the people who accidentally leaked covid from the Chinese lab.
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I didn't imply you were a Wasps fan or frankly care. Wasps were a club, they became a sports franchise when they moved to Coventry, you could argue they became one when they moved to Wycombe.

On your third point: yes people come and go but the brand is the brand and as far as I am aware it's the same people running it now and they have no players, coaches or fans anymore then the brand is represented by the people running whatever entity Wasps have become.

As for you calling this a vendetta, I simply don't except that a sporting enterprise can do what Wasps did, then just start up again like nothing ever happened and somehow thats a good thing. There doesn't seem to be any consequences for what they have done, people have lost their jobs, businesses have lost money and there is a large amount of bad feeling about what's happened but in less than a year after it all happened they are talking about a massive investment into a new ground? Sorry to me that's just wrong but feel free to disagree.
 
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Didn't the prem bring in the guy who created the hundred to try and get the same success for rugby?
 
I hope they let them. Teams should just point to wasps and Worcester going bust that the regulations didn't mean much. If Jersey could stay afloat in the championship they should get a go in the premiership.
 

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