Referee appointments for November tests

[Draggs]

http://www.irb.com/mm/Document/News...ovemberInternationalsMOAppointmentsKBCORR.pdf

 

[Big Ewis]

yeh well Joubert's doin ENG NZ, so I'm not really concerned...
(I know, cheap laugh...but hey)

 

[Maverick1987]

More to the point Alain Rolland ref for SA Wales game . I hope wales rest warburton otherwise we will have to hear another 2 years of moaning !

 

[Draggs]

More to the point Alain Rolland ref for SA Wales game . I hope wales rest warburton otherwise we will have to hear another 2 years of moaning !

At least it isn't Clancy.
Last time Rolland refereed us (v Barbarians, 2012) I felt he was quite lenient on us.

 

[Maverick1987]

At least it isn't Clancy.
Last time Rolland refereed us (v Barbarians, 2012) I felt he was quite lenient on us.

I was trying to remember a time when he reffed a Wales game since but couldn't remember 1 . Prob worse for you that Barnes is the ref for Australia game then ?

 

[Draggs]

Honestly, probably not. Barnes seems to referee us v Aus often, and he doesn't seem to be afraid of awarding penalties against the poor Australian scrum. Not on the scale of Walsh v England's pack.

 

[LittleGuy]

Oh no!!!! The ref for Canada vs. Moari is another knock against me attending. He was dreadful in Ireland vs. U.S.A. this past June!!

 

[SelimNiai]

Get yer excuses in early lads

 

[TRF_heineken]

How Clancy remains on the elite panel is beyond me.

Interesting to note that the IRB has succumbed to the vile South Africa bullying of Poite over his mistake and allowed the bullies to get their way. He's been relegated to merely Tier 2 game in Georgia.

Meanwhile Clancy, who once awarded Wales 3 tries in a game against Argentina that were against the rules a few years back, remains on the panel and gets England vs Australia at Twickenham.

There's been loads of refereeing errors down the years. It's unfair to have singled out Poite the way the IRB have done, it's just succumbing to bullying of him. Brett Gosper's regime is weak. The old regime stood up to similar tactics from referee errors such as Barnes in 2007. Gosper is swayed by media uproar (see response to angry journalists over Thomson ban last year as well). Funnily enough the referee who Argentina launched a complaint about didn't have a public apology for the UAR and the ref continues to be paraded as one of the best. Seems to only matter if you're a bigger nation who create a public tantrum about it.



I heard an interview with Tolkin about that who complained that he was giving Ireland unfair penalties at scrum collapse through their reputation. Tolkin also said he watched the game back with him and the referee agreed with him on the mistakes.

What is with this hostility towards Saffas all of a sudden???

Why are we now the bullies? Because we finally got justice? Or because the IRB finally did their job??

Is it just that time of the month for you duck??

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

How Clancy remains on the elite panel is beyond me.

Interesting to note that the IRB has succumbed to the vile South Africa bullying of Poite over his mistake and allowed the bullies to get their way. He's been relegated to merely Tier 2 game in Georgia.

Meanwhile Clancy, who once awarded Wales 3 tries in a game against Argentina that were against the rules a few years back, remains on the panel and gets England vs Australia at Twickenham.

There's been loads of refereeing errors down the years. It's unfair to have singled out Poite the way the IRB have done, it's just succumbing to bullying of him. Brett Gosper's regime is weak. The old regime stood up to similar tactics from referee errors such as Barnes in 2007. Gosper is swayed by media uproar (see response to angry journalists over Thomson ban last year as well). Funnily enough the referee who Argentina launched a complaint about didn't have a public apology for the UAR and the ref continues to be paraded as one of the best. Seems to only matter if you're a bigger nation who create a public tantrum about it.



I heard an interview with Tolkin about that who complained that he was giving Ireland unfair penalties at scrum collapse through their reputation. Tolkin also said he watched the game back with him and the referee agreed with him on the mistakes.

Or possibly the IRB wised up to the fact that Poite is a ****ty referee.

 

[tenpm]

Poite was awful in Eden Park, but I do feel for him, the way IRB basically abandoned him to be fed to the lions. Everyone have off days, and reviewing possible foul plays is a recent development that takes some getting used to. That single yellow card shouldn't define Poite's career.

 

[Big Ewis]

Or possibly the IRB wised up to the fact that Poite is a ****ty referee.

hey, hey, HEY, HEY !!! what did we agree on about all things French ?! HUH ?!
zip it.....zip...ZIP IT !!...




ZZZZZZIP.

 

[TRF_heineken]

I just think that South African media/fans in general are especially tough and can get really nasty on referees who have bad days against them. There's plenty of referees on that list who have bad days and wrecked sides chances, but it seems that the South African bully boy tactics on social media are receiving special treatment.

George Clancy once awarded Wales 3 tries in one game against Argentina a few years back that were against the rules which wrecked the Pumas chances, and I don't remember the IRB making public statements on it and relegating him.

Poite is a decent ref normally, and better than others on the elite list. It's a shame he has been penalised for his bad match, which is inconsistent with other referees who have had bad matches with sides who aren't South Africa not getting relegated. The UAR sent a private complaint to the IRB on the performance of Nigel Owens in Perth and nothing came of it, there have been others where teams have complained as well such as England and Walsh but they didn't take it quite so far. The treatment of Poite is inconsistent with the treatment of other refs who've had bad days, he's been singled out through a vicious media campaign and given no support by the IRB.

If they relegate Poite for his bad day, I hope to see them also do the same with others too. And not just those who have bad days against the big teams, ones that have bad days against Argentina or Samoa as well.

I strongly disagree.

My problem isn't necesarily with Poite. My problem is with the manner in which referees are being dealt with in general.

The IRB brought this on themselves... For years now we have been putting up with their unwillingness to handle these matters. And any person in Human Resources will tell you that Latent Conflict is one of the worst things to deal with. It keeps on building up and then explodes, and then more often than not, nobody gets out unscathed.

Now all of a sudden the South Africans are being branded as bullies again. Because we are voicing our concerns on social media??? The IRB didn't have to take our concerns to heart, in fact they didn't have to make a public statement about the matter. THEY CHOSE TO DO IT!!! We didn't bully them into anything. Are we not allowed to be social on social networks?? isn't that the point of social networks??

I really can't see why we now have to called bullies for this...

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

Poite was awful in Eden Park, but I do feel for him, the way IRB basically abandoned him to be fed to the lions. Everyone have off days, and reviewing possible foul plays is a recent development that takes some getting used to. That single yellow card shouldn't define Poite's career.

Poite was terrible in Durban as well. That was not one single horrendous call but a consistently incompetent performance. Two terrible games in a row. Maybe it's good for him to ref at a lower level for a while, get his confidence up again and come back a more accomplished ref. In all other spheres of live that is standard practice.

hey, hey, HEY, HEY !!! what did we agree on about all things French ?! HUH ?!
zip it.....zip...ZIP IT !!...




ZZZZZZIP.

O.O.. sorry.

I just think that South African media/fans in general are especially tough and can get really nasty on referees who have bad days against them. There's plenty of referees on that list who have bad days and wrecked sides chances, but it seems that the South African bully boy tactics on social media are receiving special treatment.

George Clancy once awarded Wales 3 tries in one game against Argentina a few years back that were against the rules which wrecked the Pumas chances, and I don't remember the IRB making public statements on it and relegating him.

Poite is a decent ref normally, and better than others on the elite list. It's a shame he has been penalised for his bad match, which is inconsistent with other referees who have had bad matches with sides who aren't South Africa not getting relegated. The UAR sent a private complaint to the IRB on the performance of Nigel Owens in Perth and nothing came of it, there have been others where teams have complained as well such as England and Walsh but they didn't take it quite so far. The treatment of Poite is inconsistent with the treatment of other refs who've had bad days, he's been singled out through a vicious media campaign and given no support by the IRB.

If they relegate Poite for his bad day, I hope to see them also do the same with others too. And not just those who have bad days against the big teams, ones that have bad days against Argentina or Samoa as well.

Agreed Poite has been singled out a bit and though inconsistent from the IRB (apart from the IRB apologizing to NZ about that game against Italy a while back) I think it is something that is slowly becoming a MO from the IRB; ever more transparency though at present it might seem like its SA biased simply because we have been the most recent recipient of horrid ref performances. I do agree though that the response from some part of our society is OTT and uncalled for but what can one do about that? It happens all over the world. That said I do agree with Heineken that it has to voiced somewhere though though the manner in which its done is impossible to control.

 

[Big Ewis]

O.O.. sorry.

don't worry, in just some weeks you'll be able to bash the fk out of France when we host the Boks. If we win, you can curse us, and if you win, you can taunt me right here all you want - it's legally part of the deal !

 

[TRF_heineken]

South Africa launch a large scale campaign full of nasty OTT criticism in the media and on social media = IRB gave made a public statement of criticism on , Poite came out in public to admit his error, and Poite is now relegated.

Argentina make private complaint to the IRB over a referee = nothing comes from it

Seems the message is clear from the IRB. You have to be 1) a founder IRB nation and 2) then execute a nasty OTT media campaign to get what you want.

The current IRB regime under Gosper since 2012 seem especially weak to media pressure. They caved in over some pressure from a few anti-NZ journalists on Twitter over the Adam Thomson incident last year as well. They don't do anything about the less well covered referee/citing mistakes just the ones the media make the biggest deal of. I bet if they were selectors they would have been weak and put back BOD in the Lions team as well after the mega fuss when he was dropped.

There will almost certainly be at least a couple referee howlers in the internationals next month. Let's see if Clancy for example mistakenly red cards a Tongan for instance whether he will be relegated for the 6 Nations and Tonga will get an IRB statement on the error. They obviously wouldn't, which means the IRB have just further reinforced referees to favour the bigger sides like SA as they will get relegated making mistakes against them whilst nothing will come off mistakes against Argentina, Samoa or Tonga.

Now this seems to me that you also have a problem with the IRB. But this doesn't enforce your point of view that we are bullying the IRB. I promise you that this "feud" between SA and the IRB over referees has been a major issue ever since the SA vs. All Blacks test in the 1980's during the maize bombs test... ever since then, there have been a cycle of bad calls. in the beginning it was also just blatantly ignored.

But now I think the IRB have realised that everything is under a microscope. new technology makes it harder and harder to sweep a concern under the rug.

Lets see what happens now during the EOYT matches. Also have a look at the SA refs. I see Stuart Berry, Craig Joubert and Jaco Peyper all gets an All Black test... If they **** up then they should also be reprimanded!

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

South Africa launch a large scale campaign full of nasty OTT criticism in the media and on social media = IRB gave made a public statement of criticism on , Poite came out in public to admit his error, and Poite is now relegated.

Argentina make private complaint to the IRB over a referee = nothing comes from it

Seems the message is clear from the IRB. You have to be 1) a founder IRB nation and 2) then execute a nasty OTT media campaign to get what you want.

The current IRB regime under Gosper since 2012 seem especially weak to media pressure. They caved in over some pressure from a few anti-NZ journalists on Twitter over the Adam Thomson incident last year as well. They don't do anything about the less well covered referee/citing mistakes just the ones the media make the biggest deal of. I bet if they were selectors they would have been weak and put back BOD in the Lions team as well after the mega fuss when he was dropped.

There will almost certainly be at least a couple referee howlers in the internationals next month. Let's see if Clancy for example mistakenly red cards a Tongan for instance whether he will be relegated for the 6 Nations and Tonga will get an IRB statement on the error. They obviously wouldn't, which means the IRB have just further reinforced referees to favour the bigger sides like SA as they will get relegated making mistakes against them whilst nothing will come off mistakes against Argentina, Samoa or Tonga.

Your major gripe is with the IRB. That is fair enough and I share it. This is just one of many concerns though amongst the fact that 'lesser' nations get a raw deal with regard to scheduling at RWCs and the fact that all nation's votes don't count for equal. Inconsistency is possibly the only thing the IRB are consistent at. Though TBF there are things they have accomplished for the game that deserves plaudits.

WRT public reprimands of refs NZ got the first public apology by just simply asking for a clarification. The thing is I can say that because the people representative of NZRU asked whereas in this case it was not our representatives but a comparatively minute amount of individuals of the general public who launched an OTT campaign on social media. Whoop de doo. Miley Cyrus licking a hammer got a thousand (sadly for humanity probably even a greater factor) times the exposure. It is unfair to through a blanket and SA this and SA that. As far as I know no-one from SARU with any actual say threatened or demanded anything and the IRB was under no obligation to do anything they don't seem appropriate.

 

[Aspry]

Can someone give me a opinion about John Lacey?

 

[Toko_11]

oh thanks for making tier 2 games a referee recycle bin... wonder why teams only complain 100% of the time

 

[admartian]

I find Barnes to be a very anal ref (not necessarily a bad thing) - he tends to call ticky tack stuff, and spot the really minor stuff that most will either let go or miss. Games he officiates are bad to watch when teams aren't being clinical.