Offensive Team Names

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Well to be fair that was how I was conceived dad.....

Well she certainly liked my burrowing Groundhog.

 

[Groundhog]

Tigs if you were my father I would probably be the first baby to call his dad a disappointment before walking out on him.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Tigs if you were my father I would probably be the first baby to call his dad a disappointment before walking out on him.

Don't say things that you can't take back.

 

[Groundhog]

Don't say things that you can't take, black.

Excuse me?

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Excuse me whilst i commit a hate crime

Not cool.

 

[McTallshort]

Basically I fell for the same trap as Cumberbatch did. I was trying to use okay language and ended up coming off as a ignorant by getting it mixed up.

As to giving up my views are too strong for that it just reminds we don't help ourselves sometimes.

No you didn't fall into any trap mate, seriously if people want to be over sensitive, self indulgent and frankly dull that's THIER problem not yours.

 

[smartcooky]

Quick question though. Does this friend actually do anything proactive to end the greater injustices they talk about or just smugly complain about non-issues on Facebook?

Outstanding!!!

That what Latte Liberals, and other Social Justice Warriors do... get offended on other's behalf, smug in the knowledge that they are showing all their trendy-leftie pals that they can play the game too, and complain much, but actually do nothing of any real import to help the down-trodden.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

That what Latte Liberals, and other Social Justice Warriors do... get offended on other's behalf.

If we got back to the topic at hand: it's a native American (who is currently based in devon) who is offended by the headgear and chanting of the Chiefs fans

 

[smartcooky]

tbf, I can see the practical issues with "coloured", as it lumps together a whole bunch of different ethnicities into one melting pot of cultures which is so broad, it's unwieldly and impractical.

So, explain to me how "woman of colour", would be any better in this regard.

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If we got back to the topic at hand: it's a native American (who is currently based in devon) who is offended by the headgear and chanting of the Chiefs fans

The Professor seems to fit this description, and mine!

 

[Sker]

So what happened next, did they find the buried treasure?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

The Professor seems to fit this description, and mine!

How? She's not getting offended on other's behalf she's offended on her own behalf because she's a native American.

 

[Groundhog]

If we got back to the topic at hand: it's a native American (who is currently based in devon) who is offended by the headgear and chanting of the Chiefs fans

Honestly I'm firmly of the belief that less cross cultural taboos like these is the only path toward ending racism. Look as a person of that culture she has every right to be offended of course, but I wish she wasn't. If something like say the Chiefs thing is done not in offence I think people of that culture should really assess whether it's worth getting upset about and do their best to move on. I'm happy to say you would really struggle to find something in my culture which is taboo in this way, and I know that Native Americans were truly robbed of all they have and made second class citizens in their own native land, but at the same time if taking offence over the little things, which in my opinion amounts in this case to a tribute, is essentially the way in which you champion your culture, it's time to make a change. Opening yourself up to this sort of thing is the only way to defeat a victim complex and bring people closer, because taking offence when you need not is just cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Of course that said there's no place for blatant racism anywhere, but what some people define as racism is a cry out for individuality and is actually just driving a wedge between people.

 

[ncurd]

Wrong thread

 

[Groundhog]

Wrong thread

Wrong neighborhood boy.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

Honestly I'm firmly of the belief that less cross cultural taboos like these is the only path toward ending racism. Look as a person of that culture she has every right to be offended of course, but I wish she wasn't. If something like say the Chiefs thing is done not in offence I think people of that culture should really assess whether it's worth getting upset about and do their best to move on. I'm happy to say you would really struggle to find something in my culture which is taboo in this way, and I know that Native Americans were truly robbed of all they have and made second class citizens in their own native land, but at the same time if taking offence over the little things, which in my opinion amounts in this case to a tribute, is essentially the way in which you champion your culture, it's time to make a change. Opening yourself up to this sort of thing is the only way to defeat a victim complex and bring people closer, because taking offence when you need not is just cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Of course that said there's no place for blatant racism anywhere, but what some people define as racism is a cry out for individuality and is actually just driving a wedge between people.

i'm sure you come from a good place, but you realize you are a white person (correct me if I'm wrong) telling a minority that they shouldn't be offended and that you are the one that decides what is racist and not the people who are the subject of such racism?

 

[j'nuh]

So, explain to me how "woman of colour", would be any better in this regard.

It isn't.

 

[ncurd]

It isn't.

It's what I got told was better.

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It's also the language the BBC used in their article which is why I got it 'wrong'.

 

[Groundhog]

i'm sure you come from a good place, but you realize you are a white person (correct me if I'm wrong) telling a minority that they shouldn't be offended and that you are the one that decides what is racist and not the people who are the subject of such racism?

No I get what you're saying, but I didn't say that.
"Look as a person of that culture she has every right to be offended of course, but I wish she wasn't."
Key word being wish. I don't act as if I have some god given right to dictate to people. She can do literally whatever she wants, and as I said she can define racism as whatever she wants. And see there's the thing. I'm not talking about me or what's good for me. I'm talking about people, and what I honestly believe to be the way forward for people as a whole, and to be honest I could be purple for all it does to damage the validity of my opinion in this conversation. Not that being Irish was a privilege up until my parent's generation, but I digress, nearly every culture is a victim at some point, and by placing these rather null and void barriers in the way of greater integration, there will always be an us and them mentality.
Racism isn't black and white, but when I see so much energy and bitterness being by this professor directed in this case at well meaning people who mean absolutely no offence, whose education and enjoyment of your culture you could probably contribute to, it just makes me feel jaded.

 

[smartcooky]

What I honestly believe to be the way forward for people as a whole, and to be honest I could be purple for all it does to damage the validity of my opinion in this conversation. Not that being Irish was a privilege up until my parent's generation, but I digress, nearly every culture is a victim at some point, and by placing these rather null and void barriers in the way of greater integration, there will always be an us and them mentality.
Racism isn't black and white, but when I see so much energy and bitterness being by this professor directed in this case at well meaning people who mean absolutely no offence, whose education and enjoyment of your culture you could probably contribute to, it just makes me feel jaded.

Yep, that's pretty much it.

If you spend your life being bitter about the injustices done to past generations of your people (and EVERY culture has at sometime been oppressed and persecuted, even mine) then you will be forever caught in a trap of your own making. It is often said that the past is another country and they did things differently there; we simply cannot judge them by our standards of today, and holding current generations responsible for the sins of their grandfathers is just creating another wrong and visiting those injustices on someone else... it won't make them go away.

Getting offended by historical nomenclature and name-calling is a sure sign of being stuck in the past. "If you keep looking back you can never move forward". My advice to any Native American who is offended by the Redskins name is to accept that they cannot do anything about the past, and move on. As Dame Whina Cooper (a famous Maori activist) once said, when asked whether Maori should take revenge on the white man for all the perceived injustices of the past, she replied... "The only way to conquer the Pakaha (white people) is to marry them".

 

[The Jones Boy]

Why is it Exeter cannot win the premiership?

Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians.



I'll get my coat...