Northern Hemisphere vs Southern Hemisphere?

[superrprop]

Heslip over Pocock? you sir doth jest?!

they're very different players heaslip is a better carrier, lineout option and leader pocock is a better groundhog and tackler but heaslip does them well enough to win in fairness pocock had a miles better moustache but heaslip does have that tounge stud...

 

[Hulk Hogan]

What is it with people thinking he's the best loosehead in the NH, he's not even the best loosehead at Sale

Name me 5 better options then smarty pants.

 

[nickdnz]

1.domingo v 1.roncero = domingo
2.servat v de plessis = de plessis (du Plessis)
3.jones v sclezo = jones (Jones probably wouldn't be the best NH prop at the moment, and Martin Scelzo wouldn't be in there over Owen Franks or Guthro Steenkamp)
4.gray v albacete = albacete (Another player who plays in the NH, but wouldn't be picked by anyone over Brad Thorn, Sam Whitelock, Nathan Sharpe or even Bakkies Botha, Richie Gray over any of the English locks is also strange).
5.o'connell v matfield = o'connell (just straight wrong, I mean both are past their prime, but even most die hard Irish fans wouldn't have O'Connell in their NH XV)
6.o'brien v elsom = draw (Not really. Elsom, Kaino or Juan Smith are better than O'Brien. Croft is better than O'Brien anyway)
7.duisuatoir v mccaw(c) = mccaw
8.parisse v reid = parisse (Debatable, many would say Reid was the best #8 in the world by far last year. Won best NZ player over McCaw)
9.youngs v genia = genia
10.sexton(k) v carter(k) = carter
11.medard v mitchell = mitchell
12.roberts v bill williams = bill williams
13.o'driscoll(c) v smith = o'driscoll (Yeah, maybe 5 years ago. Smith is better now.)
14.bowe v gear = bowe (Just straight wrong, and blasphemy)
15.poitrenaud v nacewa = nacewa (I know you are a Leinster fan, but no way is Nacewa better than Dagg, Beale, Muliaina, Toeava or Jane, and I do like Nacewa)

16.rees v ledesma = rees (That's a joke. Rees isn't as good as Mealamu or Ledesma)
17.mas v mtawariria = mtawariria (Wrong, Mas is better than Beast)
18.hines v whitelock = whitelock
19.heaslip v pocock = heaslip (Wrong, they play different positions for a start, but Pocock had more of an impact in 2010 than Heaslip)
20.parra v de preez = de preez (du Preez)
21.hook v cooper = cooper
22.clerc v o'connor = o'connor

scrum = nh
lineout = nh
overall kickers = sh
attack = sh
defence = nh (The All Blacks have conceded one try (by a double movement from Dylan Heartly) in three years of touring up North, how has the SH got a worse defense?)

nh 11.5 v sh 15.5 winner =southern hemisphere though i think it would be closer than this suggests

10/27 (D-) Keep on improving!

 

[Hulk Hogan]

defence = nh (The All Blacks have conceded one try (by a double movement from Dylan Heartly) in three years of touring up North, how has the SH got a worse defense?)

Because Cipriani moved down here so we now have Cooper and Cipriani D:

 

[The Tuilagi Brothers]

Ok since sheridan has been slated, how about:
1. Iestyn Thomas
2. Szarzewski
3. Castrogiovanni
4. O'Callaghan
5. Croft (I know hes a flanker but still good at second row)
6. Parisse
7. Wallace
8. Harinordoquy
9. Youngs
10. Sexton
11. Bowe
12. Jauzion
13. O'Driscoll
14. Williams
15. Medard

Southern Hemisphere:
1. Mtawarira (The Beast)
2. Du Plessis
3. Franks
4. Botha
5. Matfield
6. McCaw
7. Pocock
8. Spies
9. Genia
10. Carter
11. Nalaga
12. Bill Williams
13. Fourie
14. Rokocoko
15. Beale

I would have drew mitchell as 11 instead of nalaga but when nalaga plays well he practicslly unstoppable, bit like rupeni cacau. And to an earlier post, carter is just better than donald in my opinion, i would probaly have quade cooper over donald as well.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

And to an earlier post, carter is just better than donald in my opinion, i would probaly have quade cooper over donald as well.

Sarcasm mate, I think everyones opinion is Carter is better than Donald, in all honesty I would rather have Digby Ioane attempt to play fly half as opposed to having Stephen Donald as my 10.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

10/27 (D-) Keep on improving!

Wow Nick don't go and criticise people for spelling of players when its not Reid but Read and Heartly) for Hartley .

Adam Jones is the best tighthead in the NH for sure. Steenkamp is a loosehead and not a tighthead.

Guess you watched little 6 Nations action because Richie Gray was by far the best second row, Lawes did not even feature so its not that strange.

Ledesma is not the same man he used to be and Rees is currently better than him.

 

[The Tuilagi Brothers]

Ahh i see, i was wondering. Oh and if Alesana Tuilagi and Henry Tuilagi were more consistent, i might start them in the SH team as well, unbelievably powerful and can change a game.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

Of course I'm sorry if I offend Stephen Donald, it's not his fault he's in the All Blacks, it's the selectors.

 

[nickdnz]

Wow Nick don't go and criticise people for spelling of players when its not Reid but Read and Heartly) for Hartley .

Adam Jones is the best tighthead in the NH for sure. Steenkamp is a loosehead and not a tighthead.

Guess you watched little 6 Nations action because Richie Gray was by far the best second row, Lawes did not even feature so its not that strange.

Ledesma is not the same man he used to be and Rees is currently better than him.

Damnit. The English language tripped me up again, I spelt Reid as it was written down, as that's how I used to write it, slipped into bad habbits. Fair call on Steenkamp, but I stand by every thing else. Although I'd have Mealamu ahead of Ledesma, which I did say. I watched every games this 6 Nations, and I'd still have Alun-Wyn Jones, Lawes (I know he wasn't in the 6 Nations) and especially Tom Palmer over Gray.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

People go on about NZ not conceding when they go up North, but never mention that they concede in their own back yard (5 tries last summer, with a few of those from a 14 man Ireland)

 

[Hulk Hogan]

People go on about NZ not conceding when they go up North, but never mention that they concede in their own back yard (5 tries last summer, with a few of those from a 14 man Ireland)

They also ignore the fact that 60% of the time, they win every time.

 

[The Tuilagi Brothers]

The All Blacks have pretty beast defense, and now that they have got Sonny Bill at centre, that will just make their all round play better. As long as the All Blacks keep scouting players from countries like Fiji etc they will have little problem in the future as the system of bringing up talented young players is very good apparently, although i cant say because im scottish! The Pacific Isles have the fastest, strongest, most athletic and most exciting players in the world so as long as they keep scouting some of them......

 

[psychic duck]

Adam Jones is the best tighthead in the NH for sure. Steenkamp is a loosehead and not a tighthead.

Ledesma is not the same man he used to be and Rees is currently better than him.

Adam Jones or Nicolas Mas (there is probably some beastly Georgian prop who would be close as well)

I'm not saying you're wrong but it's not for sure, it's close

Ledesma is past his best now, but I would argue that Servat is better than Rees

also Nickdnz Scelzo is a better scrummager than Owen Franks

 

[superrprop]

10/27 (D-) Keep on improving!

first up don't even think about arguing front rowers with me i rate the beast higher than mas because of his impact in the loose
did you watch the 6 nations or since you're a new zealander are you to good for it o'connel is still brilliant he's inspirational,improved as a carrier,good scrummager and still an amazing lineout technician
have you heard of the tullow sidestep?
no.8 is a position where the nh kicks the sh's as where read is by miles the best bu heaslip and parisse are better
o'driscoll is the best defensive centre in the world a great jackal and the most intelligent centre and in the top 3 of players
actually what you said is blasphemy
again nacewa is a genius dagg is still kind of unproven, beale's while very good doesn't have a plan b,muliana only lost by a fine margin, did you watch toeva v rebels nowhere near as intelligent and his vision is sub-par and i've never rated jane
i've already explained heaslip v pocock

also where did you get your marking scheme from out of 27? plus don't think i'll take grammar advice from someone who spells hartley as heartley. i think the phrase your looking for is that you've just been schooled

 

[ranger]

People go on about NZ not conceding when they go up North, but never mention that they concede in their own back yard (5 tries last summer, with a few of those from a 14 man Ireland)

I don't see a reason not to go on about it, its a very impressive statistic. Especially considering how SH defense is still considered weak after so many November cleansheets...
I also don't think the defense is too bad at home, they show a hell of a lot more rust both in defense and attack at that time of the year but its nothing to write home about. The Ireland game was merely a freak occurance outlier while the cobwebs were blown out, after that game the All Blacks conceeded a single try in 2 tests. Since the world cup they have only conceeded more than two tries to NH opposition at home on two occasions (that Ireland game and the first french test last year)

The All Blacks have pretty beast defense, and now that they have got Sonny Bill at centre, that will just make their all round play better. As long as the All Blacks keep scouting players from countries like Fiji etc they will have little problem in the future as the system of bringing up talented young players is very good apparently, although i cant say because im scottish! The Pacific Isles have the fastest, strongest, most athletic and most exciting players in the world so as long as they keep scouting some of them......

Please say you are joking..

first up don't even think about arguing front rowers with me i rate the beast higher than mas because of his impact in the loose
did you watch the 6 nations or since you're a new zealander are you to good for it o'connel is still brilliant he's inspirational,improved as a carrier,good scrummager and still an amazing lineout technician
have you heard of the tullow sidestep?
no.8 is a position where the nh kicks the sh's as where read is by miles the best bu heaslip and parisse are better
o'driscoll is the best defensive centre in the world a great jackal and the most intelligent centre and in the top 3 of players
actually what you said is blasphemy
again nacewa is a genius dagg is still kind of unproven, beale's while very good doesn't have a plan b,muliana only lost by a fine margin, did you watch toeva v rebels nowhere near as intelligent and his vision is sub-par and i've never rated jane
i've already explained heaslip v pocock

also where did you get your marking scheme from out of 27? plus don't think i'll take grammar advice from someone who spells hartley as heartley. i think the phrase your looking for is that you've just been schooled

Look if you won't take grammar advice from him i hope you try and find it somewhere else because its actually quite a challenge to decipher your rant here.

As for the kicker at the end there; close but not quite son, i beleive the phrase we are looking for in this instance is "Go back to school"

 

[TRF_Olyy]

i think the phrase your looking for is that you've just been schooled

But.....he wasn't?

 

[TRF_Cymro]

first up don't even think about arguing front rowers with me i rate the beast higher than mas because of his impact in the loose

Horan, Buckley and Hayes spring to mind :lol:

Mas would ruin 'The Beast', Mas is good in the loose and tight.

 

[Feicarsinn]

Lee Byrne
Paul Sackey
Gavin Henson
Paddy Wallace
Paul Sackey
Dan Parks
Mauro Bergamasco

Andy Powell
Joe Worsley
Denis Leamy
Mick O'Driscoll
Danny Grewcock
John Hayes
Rory Best
Andrew Sheridan

Now then, I'd like to see a Southern Hemisphere team compete with that!

 

[The Tuilagi Brothers]

The Pacific Islanders may not be the most talented players in the world, but they are some of the most physically impressive, especially in the backs, eg tuilagi, nalaga, ryder, caucau, lima, rabeni, mapasua, delasau, ratuvou, lavea, lemi, stowers, tonga'uiha, palu is tongan, sivivatu is fijian, rokocoko is fijian.