most overrated player and team in the 6 nations

[Leonormous Boozer]

Foden is not overrated. Hes a very good player. I'd prefer to have Halfpenny on the wing and Foden at fullback myself.

Jonny Sexon in my opinion is overrated.

Johnny Sexton isn't overrated. When playing for Leinster he is probably the best 10 in Europe but like so many other Irish players he and Kidney aren't compatible and he underperforms at International level.

 

[bushytop]

Not saying Foden is a bad player but is overrated... probably because English rugby fans rarely see a decent line break so a big deal gets made about him.

 

[Toby Faletau-Jones]

For the team it is Wales they haven't beaten anyone other than who they would expect to beat.
Player i am going for Max Evans although i do feel sorry for him as andy robinson is playing him on the wing instead of centre where he started for scotland

At least we beat teams unlike Scotland. We were expected to beat France, and Australia (at the time, not now tbh), but (Australia aside) poor ref decisions cost us the game. But i would think the most overated team is France. Most overated player, James Hook.

 

[Toby Faletau-Jones]

Wales. What have they really done? A world cup record that only matches that of Ireland and England. Losing to France just the same as a poor England team.

They now go into the six nations as if they will win the slam and beating France is a given. I do think they have a very good chance but it will be a six nations where France will now be dead on there feet, England are rebuilding at yet to find a style that suits them. So on the scheme of things yes good for them but it's not the best of a six nations year.


In honesty we are all over rated in the six nations because none of the six nations teams would be capable of winning an away tour to S.A, Australia or New Zealand. As has been the case for years.

Yes your right about the 6N teams touring. But think about it, look at all the different nationalities and players, in particular Australia and NZ have to choose from. They have much greater selection bases in comparison to every team in the 6N, maybe with the exception of England purely due to their population of rugby players, and such

 

[Seaton]

At least we beat teams unlike Scotland. We were expected to beat France, and Australia, but (Australia aside) poor ref decisions cost us the game. But i would think the most overated team is France. Most overated player, James Hook.

I have funny feeling you don't agree with the Warburton red...


And my suspicions of wee man syndrome grow ever larger.

WTF does Scotland's record have to do with Wale's results on the whole?

 

[j'nuh]

Mike Phillips. He can give tediously slow service and often makes the wrong decision on which way to go when attacking. Reliable, but unspectacular.

 

[Toby Faletau-Jones]

I have funny feeling you don't agree with the Warburton red...


And my suspicions of wee man syndrome grow ever larger.



WTF does Scotland's record have to do with Wale's results on the whole?

I only pointed out Scotland because the OP was a supporter of them. A bit of banter bro. And no im not talking about the Warburton red. It was dangerous, end of.

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

Ahhhm staying well clear of this thread - toooo tempting.

Seriously though, this thread is just an easy excuse for people to slag off players from other countries who they can't be bothered to recognise as being good!!

(also, there is the slagging off of genuinely overrated players, it has to be said)

 

[Seaton]

I only pointed out Scotland because the OP was a supporter of them. A bit of banter bro. And no im not talking about the Warburton red. It was dangerous, end of.

Glad you agree.

As for the banter, suppose I just read it in the wrong manner.

 

[Saintjay]

Not saying Foden is a bad player but is overrated... probably because English rugby fans rarely see a decent line break so a big deal gets made about him.

He is rated on his performances for Northampton not England.

 

[Peat]

He is rated on his performances for Northampton not England.

I rate him highly on his English performances - he's been consistently our best back, more or less, since his debut.

Although, if I'm honest, the fact he charged headlong into a Scottish lock (I forget which) and sat him the hell down has always slightly biased me towards him. That's how I like to see my backs take contact. Boom! But yeah, fantastic player.

 

[profitius]

Foden is underrated if anything. He is as slippery as an eel when he runs with the ball and has good skills to go along with that.

I don't see where all this rubbish about Conor Murray is coming from. Now i'm not in any way saying he is the best out there but he has only been playing high level rugby for half a year and IMO he has the best kicking game out of all the scrum halves in Ireland. Murray's kicks against Wales were very good apart from one from a turnover which yes was a poor mistake. He is playing the type of game that Kidney is implementing and although I don't agree with it, Murray is playing well. His passing is quick and he is consistent unlike Boss and Reddan who always mix very good games with shocking games. Murray isn't my type of scrum half and I far prefer the style of McGrath who when the time comes will probably overtake Murray but from what I've seen Murray is a promising player that shows levels of skill and mentality far above his experience and age would suggest.

+1

 

[Luimneach18]

Johnny Sexton isn't overrated. When playing for Leinster he is probably the best 10 in Europe but like so many other Irish players he and Kidney aren't compatible and he underperforms at International level.

If we was the best 10 in Europe why cant do it week in and week out for Ireland don't blame kidney because its not him its just sexton chokes at international level, i blame sexton for the loss against wales he went for a 50 meter kick when he should have kicked for the corner and retained possession as we were winning at the time, and don't get me started on his kicking at the rwc and all the miss kicks against wales very overrated yet to prove himself at international level.

 

[big ginger 8]

Faletau is overrated by many Welsh people. He's obviously a very good player but you'd swear listening to some that he was the perfect blend of Parisse, Read, Harinordoquy and Heaslip.

Draggs. Who overrates Healy apart from possibly me? Most seem to like you underrate him. He didn't exactly get minced by Jones this time and is a capable and rapidly improving scrummager. His workrate is very high maybe not quiet at Jenkins level but name another prop that is.

If we was the best 10 in Europe why cant do it week in and week out for Ireland don't blame kidney because its not him its just sexton chokes at international level, i blame sexton for the loss against wales he went for a 50 meter kick when he should have kicked for the corner and retained possession as we were winning at the time, and don't get me started on his kicking at the rwc and all the miss kicks against wales very overrated yet to prove himself at international level.

Ah but sure now it's the captain's choice in the end and didn't Paulie nod to the sticks.

Sexton is not a choker. Something isn't clicking at international level all the time but he's not a choker.

 

[Saintjay]

I would never put Sexton down as a chocker, any Saints fan will give him that. It is maybe just a dip in form.

As for the best ten in europe I am not sure, he is possibley the best ten out of the Lions teams at the moment.

 

[coonor]

I would never put Sexton down as a chocker, any Saints fan will give him that. It is maybe just a dip in form.

As for the best ten in europe I am not sure, he is possibley the best ten out of the Lions teams at the moment.

Its nothing to do with form. Every season he plays brilliantly for Leinster and has a great game for Ireland every now and again but the problem is Ireland play a style that doesn't suit him. In order for him to play at his best we need to play a game based off him where he pulls the strings with his passing game that will bring our big runners into spaces, unfortunately we just play a game with simple runners of 9 and off the base of the ruck untill and therefore Sexton cannot influence the game in the right way leading to him feeling uncomfortable which will obviously effect his kicking.

 

[Saintjay]

Its nothing to do with form. Every season he plays brilliantly for Leinster and has a great game for Ireland every now and again but the problem is Ireland play a style that doesn't suit him. In order for him to play at his best we need to play a game based off him where he pulls the strings with his passing game that will bring our big runners into spaces, unfortunately we just play a game with simple runners of 9 and off the base of the ruck untill and therefore Sexton cannot influence the game in the right way leading to him feeling uncomfortable which will obviously effect his kicking.

So his form for Leinster is brilliant and not so good for Ireland that would make me think he has a dip in form when playing for Ireland.

If your arguement is true then unless the Lions play a game that suits him he will not be that good. If he can only play with a certain team or to a certain game plan. Maybe he is not as good as people think he is. Worse if he then lets that imapct on his own game ie kicking.

 

[retardedgenius]

I would never put Sexton down as a chocker, any Saints fan will give him that. It is maybe just a dip in form.

As for the best ten in europe I am not sure, he is possibley the best ten out of the Lions teams at the moment.

Dan Parks best 10 in europe!!!! next best duncan weir

 

[coonor]

So his form for Leinster is brilliant and not so good for Ireland that would make me think he has a dip in form when playing for Ireland.

If your arguement is true then unless the Lions play a game that suits him he will not be that good. If he can only play with a certain team or to a certain game plan. Maybe he is not as good as people think he is. Worse if he then lets that imapct on his own game ie kicking.

The point is that Ireland don't play a modern game where as Leinster do. Sexton suits Leinster's game plan but not Ireland's, Leinster's game plan is far superior to Ireland's and within the game plan Sexton plays to a standard that makes him atleast in the top 3 in Europe. If the Lions choose to play a style that is expansive, fast and dynamic then Sexton will fit right in but if they choose to play a style that is tight then I don't think Sexton is the right guy, nor would Priestland or Flood, in fact O'Gara would be more useful.

On his kicking, I think you'll find that most fly halves place kicking coincides with how well they play but obviously some fly halve's kicking is not affected by open play performance. My argument is that Sexton's poor international performances are not down to form but style of play, I was not in any way arguing whether or not he is overated or underated or even if he is a good international player.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

If we was the best 10 in Europe why cant do it week in and week out for Ireland don't blame kidney because its not him its just sexton chokes at international level, i blame sexton for the loss against wales he went for a 50 meter kick when he should have kicked for the corner and retained possession as we were winning at the time, and don't get me started on his kicking at the rwc and all the miss kicks against wales very overrated yet to prove himself at international level.

Most of what I was going to say has been covered in other posts,but if you Think Ireland lost that matc because of that kick you must have forgotten about Tommy Bowes drop into touch which lead to the Davies try or a couple of dodgy refereeing calls.