most overrated player and team in the 6 nations

[coonor]

I'd have SOB ahead of Ferris and Heaslip. He wasn't voted the European player of the year for nothing. We havn't seen the best of him this season because he is playing out of his best position.

SOB may have been voted European player of the year but both Heaslip and Ferris our Lions and Heaslip not only adds something unique but was also a nominee for the European player of the year award and for the IRB player of the year award 2009. Ferris may not have the same prestige but he plays for a province with far less firepower than Leinster. Unlike SOB who has the best team in Europe around him, Ferris has been the only person from Ulster who for over the last 3 years has been up there with the best.

 

[Luimneach18]

Lets not forget Sean O'Brien was voted player of pool c in the rwc by the irb as well even at 7, imagine if he actually gets to play 6 damn he would smash it.

 

[Zed]

Most overrated team - Wales and most overrated player - George North. I think they have a great style of play, but they're just not as good as people say the are - the WC, they lost 3 games, almost lost 4 and only really had to beat Ireland to make the semis. I still think Wales will win the triple crown and possibly the 6N, but England, Scotland, Italy and Ireland don't have particularly strong teams. England I guess are a bit of a unknown and could potentially do well.

George North is a player who is going to do damage against weak teams like Scotland. People were waxing lyrical about him during the WC, but it was only in games like the Fiji game that he seemed to shine. Wingers of his height, build and speed are pretty common in the Southern Hemisphere and I doubt he'd make many inroads against teams like ABs. Don't get me wrong, he's a good player, but he's not the 'next Lomu....'

 

[Luimneach18]

Most overrated team - Wales and most overrated player - George North. I still think Wales will win the triple crown and possibly the 6N, but England, Scotland, Italy and Ireland don't have particularly strong teams. England I guess are a bit of a unknown and could potentially do well. George North is a player who is going to do damage against weak teams like Scotland. People were waxing lyrical about during the WC, but it was only in games like the Fiji game that he seemed to shine. Wingers of his height, build and speed are pretty common in the Southern Hemisphere and I doubt he'd make many inroads against teams like ABs. Don't get me wrong, he's a good player, but he's not the 'next Lomu....'

Ireland don't have a strong team :lol:

 

[King_D'Arcy]

Most overrated team: Ireland - Overrated because the clubs are so good. Poor coaching, poor player choices, poor player mentality and poor game planning has resulted in Ireland not delivering what everyone thinks they can.

Most overrated players: Don't get me started on this 1. There are several in all teams (bar France who are a team of almost entirely underrated players). I'll pick my top 3 for this;

3. Ben Youngs - Played well in 2010 for Leicester and had a few good tests for England. Since 2011 he has repeatedly failed to deliver for club and country.

2. Toby Faletau - Scored a try against South Africa and was suddenly the best 8 in Europe. Not a bad player but not the player he's made out to be at all. His inadequacies are masked by Warburton, Lydiate and Jenkins (number 1 most underrated player in Europe).

1. Conor Murray - I like Murray. He keeps O'Leary out of the team and I think that's a great thing. He is however an extremely average scrumhalf who looks incredibly nervous in big games. His kicking game against Wales was shambolic yet he continued doing it for the whole game.

 

[lucky number 7]

Most overrated team: Ireland - Overrated because the clubs are so good. Poor coaching, poor player choices, poor player mentality and poor game planning has resulted in Ireland not delivering what everyone thinks they can.

Most overrated players: Don't get me started on this 1. There are several in all teams (bar France who are a team of almost entirely underrated players). I'll pick my top 3 for this;

3. Ben Youngs - Played well in 2010 for Leicester and had a few good tests for England. Since 2011 he has repeatedly failed to deliver for club and country.

2. Toby Faletau - Scored a try against South Africa and was suddenly the best 8 in Europe. Not a bad player but not the player he's made out to be at all. His inadequacies are masked by Warburton, Lydiate and Jenkins (number 1 most underrated player in Europe).

1. Conor Murray - I like Murray. He keeps O'Leary out of the team and I think that's a great thing. He is however an extremely average scrumhalf who looks incredibly nervous in big games. His kicking game against Wales was shambolic yet he continued doing it for the whole game.

I agree with all of the above

 

[Draggs]

Cian Healy.
Decent match v the scrummaging force that is Australia and he is the best loosehead ever.
Torn apart by Adam Jones, and no where near as active as Gethin Jenkins.

Just for lulz I'll add underrated.
This has to be Trinh Duc. Everybody goes on and on about Sexton and Priestland, but FTD is simply the best NH outside half. Proves that you don't need a boot to achieve and seems to be a very intelligent player.
I'll add Parra as well; a much better player than Yachvili in all aspects, save goal kicking.

 

[Zed]

Ireland don't have a strong team :lol:

Compared to a few years ago. I think they could still finish second or third in the 6N, but they are not the team they were in 2009. They still beat us in the WC though!

 

[Saintjay]

Wales. What have they really done? A world cup record that only matches that of Ireland and England. Losing to France just the same as a poor England team.

They now go into the six nations as if they will win the slam and beating France is a given. I do think they have a very good chance but it will be a six nations where France will now be dead on there feet, England are rebuilding at yet to find a style that suits them. So on the scheme of things yes good for them but it's not the best of a six nations year.

In honesty we are all over rated in the six nations because none of the six nations teams would be capable of winning an away tour to S.A, Australia or New Zealand. As has been the case for years.

 

[Teh Mite]

Overated? And team who measures their prowess only by an ability to beat, or in a bid to big themselves up like to stick the knife into England... So that'll be all the Celts and the Oussies.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

2. Toby Faletau - Scored a try against South Africa and was suddenly the best 8 in Europe. Not a bad player but not the player he's made out to be at all. His inadequacies are masked by Warburton, Lydiate and Jenkins (number 1 most underrated player in Europe).

Ooh! I forgot about Faletau - I knew there was someone I thought was really overrated but just couldn't remember who.
I agree completely.

 

[Peat]

Gethin Jenkins underrated? I thought everyone rated him massively.

Beginning to sound like Faletau's underrated, everybody's concentrating on his carrying and ignoring on his massive tackle counts plus a lot of breakdown work too.

 

[coonor]

I don't see where all this rubbish about Conor Murray is coming from. Now i'm not in any way saying he is the best out there but he has only been playing high level rugby for half a year and IMO he has the best kicking game out of all the scrum halves in Ireland. Murray's kicks against Wales were very good apart from one from a turnover which yes was a poor mistake. He is playing the type of game that Kidney is implementing and although I don't agree with it, Murray is playing well. His passing is quick and he is consistent unlike Boss and Reddan who always mix very good games with shocking games. Murray isn't my type of scrum half and I far prefer the style of McGrath who when the time comes will probably overtake Murray but from what I've seen Murray is a promising player that shows levels of skill and mentality far above his experience and age would suggest.

 

[dullonien]

Most over rated players- Lydiate, I think it must just be me but I just can't see him do anything other than tackle well (i'll watch him closer next game )

Please do, because Lydiate is much more than just a tackling machine, although he certainly is awesome at that. He's a complete workaholic, and exactly the kind of player every teem needs in their ranks. He may not be flashy, or make huge searing breaks, but he's one of the best tacklers out there (not big hits, but low tackles that gets every player down early and behind the gainline), his defensive linespeed is awesome (although was verging on the offside against Scotland, play the ref and all that), he hits stupid amounts of rucks, and carries the ball in the tight. Isn't that the perfect blindside?

2. Toby Faletau - Scored a try against South Africa and was suddenly the best 8 in Europe. Not a bad player but not the player he's made out to be at all. His inadequacies are masked by Warburton, Lydiate and Jenkins (number 1 most underrated player in Europe).

Faletau is probably overrated by some Welsh supporters (and Jiffy), but he's still a great player at just 20y/o. He had a barnstorming WC, but has been a little quieter this 6 nations so far. People have to remember that he had the most carries and the heighest tackle count of anybody at the WC (that included zero missed tackles). He's also a great support player, as demonstrated against Scotland when Roberts made a break. His work off the back of a scrum is also top notch, especially if you consider what his platform is at the Dragons.

For a 20y/o, he's an increadible player. I fully expect him to become one of the best 8's in the world. He's not far off already. And no his inadequacies aren't covered by Lydiate and Warbs.

 

[coonor]

Please do, because Lydiate is much more than just a tackling machine, although he certainly is awesome at that. He's a complete workaholic, and exactly the kind of player every teem needs in their ranks. He may not be flashy, or make huge searing breaks, but he's one of the best tacklers out there (not big hits, but low tackles that gets every player down early and behind the gainline), his defensive linespeed is awesome (although was verging on the offside against Scotland, play the ref and all that), he hits stupid amounts of rucks, and carries the ball in the tight. Isn't that the perfect blindside?

Yeah I think its just me not noticing him as he clearly must be a great player. It seems like he is one of those players that just keeps going and is the centre of defence, It's seems quite clear that people talk alot about Warburton but from what I hear Lydiate is just as important in terms of balancing the backrow. Hopefully he'll have a good game against England and will prove me wrong.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Underated players:

England: Ben Morgan, he has been unbelievably underrated by Lancaster. (Dowson ahead of him???)
France: I rate them all loads, probably Trinh-Duc
Ireland:Best
Italy: Zanni
Scotland: Cusitar
Wales: Phillips, he's so much better than the supporters make him out to be, perfect for the Welsh style of play.

 

[cyRil]

Calling Faletau overrated is hilarious. Clearly the opposite is apparent with a quite a few on the forum!

 

[bushytop]

Foden most overrated: read some posts on a different thread where is a sure thing for the Lions test VI fullback slot. Not if his international form is anything to go by.

As for overrated team, can understand why some have said Wales but cant agree. I, like most Welsh men (inc. Jiffy) have them down as SLIGHT favourites going to twickenham, which i think most posters will agree with. Also even the Welsh media let alone British had us as underdogs going to dublin and only able to beat the scots by 5. The fact Wales bettered the common media predictions suggests we aren't overrated but quite the opposite.

 

[welshglory]

Foden is not overrated. Hes a very good player. I'd prefer to have Halfpenny on the wing and Foden at fullback myself.

Jonny Sexon in my opinion is overrated.

 

[psychic duck]

Foden most overrated: read some posts on a different thread where is a sure thing for the Lions test VI fullback slot. Not if his international form is anything to go by.

he had a very bad match against Italy, but that's one match, elsewhere this season has been consistently very good

I reckon the percentage of time he breaks the line on the counter attack is probably one of the highest

and he's not just having a purple patch like Brown is, he's been consistent for a few years now