Liam Williams - apology

[goodNumber10]

Not quite that simple, but thanks for sharing your fantastic insight into nothing we actually said. Oh and Islamophobia isn't strictly racism, but that's another debate. You could argue neither is Xenophobia, so well done to about 30% of your post being based on anything atually correct, like your spelling etc. C-

 

[nickdnz]

Heres a quick video that everyone should watch. Ever heard of the Frankfurt school, critical theory, cultural marxism etc? The Frankfurt school set up by communists designed to attack capitalist countries from within, like a virus. Basically they couldn't win the economic battle so they turned to culture. The basic principle behind their masterplan was divide the population into groups and make every one of those groups feel oppressed (except for white males of course).


So they basically thought groups to hate. Young girls became angry feminists, blacks became angry blacks, whites hate themselves for "their" past and feel guilty about everything, theres angry gay groups, angry lesbians, Muslims are angry and hate the west, sexual freedom was oppressed, everything and everyone was oppressed (except white males).

That is a horrible and misguided explanation of the Frankfurt School.

Many theorists form the Frankfurt school were very concerned with matters of 'high culture' verse 'popular cultural' - in terms of attributing values to cultural productions (such as Adorno). Obviously they are very critical of capitalism. The school wasn't 'designed to attack capitalist countries from within, like a virus. Basically they couldn't win the economic battle so they turned to culture" - it was in fact created in the early 1920s Germany, well before there were any 'conclusions' about Marxism. Marxism is as much a cultural critique as it is an economic one, so saying they turned to culture is equally ignorant. Their move from Germany to other western nations was significantly more to do with the rise of Adolf Hitler and fascism. The Frankfurt school had almost nothing to do with any wave of feminism, civil rights etc. Those issues could more likely be attributed to a huge amount of inequality and civil injustices prevalent in society(which is amazing that you seem to be attributing the Frankfurt School as a factor to end segregation - and also describe it as a virus...).

I take it your contempt for the Frankfurt School's ideology (which I personally don't subscribe to) extends to basically the entire field of cultural studies and relevant field of humanities. Good thing there is one champion out there who is fighting for the white males out there. Do you have a pointed hood or a shaved head?

 

[profitius]

That is a horrible and misguided explanation of the Frankfurt School.

Many theorists form the Frankfurt school were very concerned with matters of 'high culture' verse 'popular cultural' - in terms of attributing values to cultural productions (such as Adorno). Obviously they are very critical of capitalism. The school wasn't 'designed to attack capitalist countries from within, like a virus. Basically they couldn't win the economic battle so they turned to culture" - it was in fact created in the early 1920s Germany, well before there were any 'conclusions' about Marxism. Marxism is as much a cultural critique as it is an economic one, so saying they turned to culture is equally ignorant. Their move from Germany to other western nations was significantly more to do with the rise of Adolf Hitler and fascism. The Frankfurt school had almost nothing to do with any wave of feminism, civil rights etc. Those issues could more likely be attributed to a huge amount of inequality and civil injustices prevalent in society(which is amazing that you seem to be attributing the Frankfurt School as a factor to end segregation - and also describe it as a virus...).

I take it your contempt for the Frankfurt School's ideology (which I personally don't subscribe to) extends to basically the entire field of cultural studies and relevant field of humanities. Good thing there is one champion out there who is fighting for the white males out there. Do you have a pointed hood or a shaved head?

It was very clear by the 1920's that marxism had failed and could only be forced on people. So they had to think of new ways to take over the world. Enter the Frankfurt school.


I didn't say the Frankfurt school was trying to end segregation. The other way around actually. Attack the family and middle class in society and you're left with a large lower class and a ruling elite.

 

[Jbobo]

Dude, i was complimenting your spelling...

 

[j'nuh]

It was very clear by the 1920's that marxism had failed and could only be forced on people. So they had to think of new ways to take over the world. Enter the Frankfurt school.

I didn't say the Frankfurt school was trying to end segregation. The other way around actually. Attack the family and middle class in society and you're left with a large lower class and a ruling elite.

So what you're saying is that Marxists came to America to empower minority groups and enhance the civil rights movement? In doing so, that brings an end to capitalism?

Do you not know how ridiculous that sounds? :huh:

 

[Tony Manx]

So what you're saying is that Marxists came to America to empower minority groups and enhance the civil rights movement? In doing so, that brings an end to capitalism?

Do you not know how ridiculous that sounds? :huh:

Come on Lads......enough now enough!

 

[TRF Mr Fish]

Just remember to avoid name calling and the like.

This discussion is getting a wee bit off topic, if someone wants to start a new discussion in the Clubroom about what constitutes racism/political ideologies then go ahead and do it, otherwise keep this discussion to Williams' behaviour and fair punishments etc.

 

[profitius]

Its not really off topic though.

So what you're saying is that Marxists came to America to empower minority groups and enhance the civil rights movement? In doing so, that brings an end to capitalism?

Do you not know how ridiculous that sounds? :huh:

Nah, what I'm saying is divide and conquer. Compare 1950's USA to the USA of today to see the fruits of this.

 

[Shaggy]

I'm amazed this is still going

Was he being Racist - you could argue by definition that he was

Was he being intentionally Racist/was there a malicious intent - I don't believe so

Was he offensive - not to the person he dressed as, but he clearly was to others.

Did he apologise for his behavior -Yes

Does any of the above make the behavior OK - No, you can't undo it once it's done, but you can apologise, which he did.

As for the "attitudes" of some of the posters, no one has said that Liam Williams behavior was acceptable - there was some arguments over whether it was racist or not, but, in the context of the issue, it doesn't matter if it is or it isn't. It was offensive to some, and it was apologised for.

Hopefully he's learnt something from it, and can move on (like we all should)

 

[William18]

Ignoring your conspiracy theory, I do have a question about your second paragraph.

Just so I understand correctly, you believe that there shouldn't be angry gay/black/muslim/female/whatever groups, and that white folk shouldn't take blame for any of the world's injustices?

No we shouldn't. "White folk" have never done anything because there is no such thing. If your country's government has done bad things to black people then your country's government should seek to rectify that.

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There's a certain level of ignorance that is inexcusable in these kinds of matters.

If he had lived in a cave his whole life with no connections to the outside, and then someone handed him a jar and told him to black his face up, then yeah, I can accept ignorance as an excuse.

I can understand him not having a clue on blackface's history. But at a minimum, he should be expected to know by his age that race is a sensitive issue. So when he goes to buy or put on something race/religiously/culturally-related (be it blackface, a bindi, a turban etc.), then he should at least find out whether it's acceptable to do so. And it isn't as if it takes a lot of effort either; it's a very quick "can i wear blackface" google search.

It's not outright hateful racism, but it's a level of ignorance that isn't acceptable. Whether you call it racist or not (I would) doesn't really matter; it's an insensitivity towards race (IMO, this is what makes it racist), and it's a problem.

Although I'm more concerned about the people excusing what he did on here, at this point. :huh:

Who has actually excused what he did though? Some people have just said it wasn't racist but met some other degree of transgression.

As for White Girls, it shows two black men dressing up as white girls and reinforces a stereotype.