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Kiwi picks the Lions

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James would have most certainly been a Lions otherwise. Still the best scrummaging loosehead in Europe :)

Ah you (not the player but the general usage).
 
Ah you (not the player but the general usage).

Nah, don't think he is anywhere near good enough.
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7. Ross Rennie - put the weather to one side, still the only bloke to neutralize Pocock
tbf though, rugby isn't a one-on-one sport where 7s line up against each other and duel each other in the breakdown. Fetchers like Pocock are neutralised when teams clear out rucks fast, and it isn't just the 7 running around clearing the rucks, it's pretty much everyone on the field. If Scotland had success in neutralising Pocock (not sure, didn't watch), it was a whole team thing, rather than just Rennie. It could also be explained by an off-day from Pocock.
 
tbf though, rugby isn't a one-on-one sport where 7s line up against each other and duel each other in the breakdown. Fetchers like Pocock are neutralised when teams clear out rucks fast, and it isn't just the 7 running around clearing the rucks, it's pretty much everyone on the field. If Scotland had success in neutralising Pocock (not sure, didn't watch), it was a whole team thing, rather than just Rennie. It could also be explained by an off-day from Pocock.

The first part is true enough, (although at 7 there is more direct confrontation than in many other positions) this is why there are three Scottish fowards not just him. Also Pocock is not really a hot-and-cold sort of player, if you win the ground game with him in the opposition you've clearly done bloody well.
 
Obviously its a year out and half the players availible now are going to be injured, but I was thinking of what sort of Lions side I'd cobble together based solely on performances down under - its actually not a bad side despite the whitewashes

1. Cian Healy - proven roo basher and player of the tour for Ireland IMO
2. Ross Ford - not an overabundance of standout performers here
3. Adam Jones - marginally over the Cole, strength here either way
4. Richie Gray
5. Geoff Parling - winning the airial battle will be essential next year, as Wales just proved - a little uneasy about the lack of a heavyweight grafter at tighthead lock, but perhaps this will be less of an issue in Australia than it would be in NZ or SA
6. Tom Johnstone - I was a bit underwhemed with the Welsh loosies to be fair - presumably Ferris will fill this spot when he returns
7. Ross Rennie - put the weather to one side, still the only bloke to neutralize Pocock
8. Jamie Heaslip - second test massive, purpose built for sucking in Aussie loosies too
9. Danny Care - problem area
10. Sexton - proved his chops
11. George North
12. ?? on the basis of the SA Lions tour, Jamie Roberts - although the Aussies shut him down in the world cup quite effectivly. No standouts in the last month
13. Manu Tuilangi - realisticly it'll be an all Welsh midfeild, but Manu proved himself a novel threat in SA.
14. Alex Cuthbert
15. Rob Kearney - solid.

Midfield looks to be a proper issue now that BOD is past it at the top level, so perhaps it is fortunate that Australia are struggling in this area as well - overall though, I would have thought that these guys would be favourites to take out the series, depending of course on how exposed the famous lack of Wallibie depth gets as the series goes on.

Everyone loves these threads secretly...

Thsi team has me worried, precisely because it does generally reflect form, but that I think if this team played the Wallabies it would lose. We're reliant on a rsurgence of form in lots of positions to stop that happening.

Lots of if's and but's in the front five. I'd be very tempted to slot in Dan Cole at tighthead owing to the fact that he has both a great scrummaging game(2nd best scrummaging tighthead after Adam in my opinion) but he's also damm good in the loose.

Locks: Don't forget that injuries aside Paul O connel could still make the tour as a preferred lock. All 4 of the Welshies deserve to be in contention, with no one of them standing above the rest but all getting pretty close. I really hope Courtney Lawes can stay fit and string some games together because in form I think hes a huge asset around the field.
parling is great but by next year I'd sortof hope that someone else will have risen above....
Grays definitely thereabouts.


I'm really not convinced by the back-row. There were few standouts at 7 during the tours, and the 6's shoe-horned into 7 did no worse than the actual 7's, all things considered. I think Robshaw was as good as anyone at 7 on the tour, but I don't want people to think I'm being one eyed in picking him! Therefore I'd suggest having him at 6 instead where I again wasn't blown away by the performances. That leaves me unsure about 7 - 3 wins from 3 tells a misleading story for Scotland and Rennie if we're honest with ourselves, whilst Warburton wasn't himself/did not perform as expected. I would argue that Sean O'brien is the least effective 7 of the 6.5s, although I know me saying this will probably lead to enforced disappearance at the hands of the Leinster mob :p. We're not going to have much luck over there unless Warburton steps up or we find a new 7. We also really need Ferris to stay injury free.

8: We have lots of potential here. If Morgan finds form he could be our 8 by the lions tour. Faletau has to work really hard at his game and his weaknesses if he's to make it in there. At present its Denton or Heaslip. Heaslip has the experience and I'd go with him here. I do feel though that Morgan could be quite some player by this time next year.

Half-backs, completely agree. I don't think 9 is necessarily problem position at all. Care on current form is only behind Genia and on a level with Aaron Smith in terms of the best 9's around. We now just need another guy to stick their hand up as an impact player for the bench. Even not rating him, Philips could have this impact value through his size. Otherwise, I feel stupid saying it but, Dickson? Yep, I feeel really stupid now.

10: Sexton is head and bloody shoulders abvoe the rest. We need Ford and Hook to bolt to form in order to back-up/offer some vague challenge.

11: North: yes.

12: Unless we discover another 12 who can step up to international level Jamie Roberts is absolutely guaranteeed to start at 12, and rightly so. Anthony Allen would have to absolutely bolt to have a chance, and Tuilagi would have to work out how to play 12. McFadden would have to improve his Ireland performances a great deal too.

13: BOD ain't past it, heretic! He missed a fair few tackles on tour but that's ok as its the all-blacks. I'd have him at 13 still. Manu has all the talent he needs to find his way into the starting 15 by next year, but this is dependent both on form and on England actually fworking out how to use him. At present he'd likely find hismelf behind Davies at 13 as well.


Cuthbert at 14? Rather not to be honest. I'd like it if Tommy Bowe came back fit and in form, then he'd have my vote.

As regards 15 after the tours, I'd say its Halfpenny a shade ahead of Foden, which could easily reverse if form changes.
 
Healy - Impressive tour in testing circumstances.
Ford - I dont think any player has done enough to claim this jersey yet, put Ford in to not have it blank.
Cole - Best tighthead in the world now I think.
Lawes - T1000 terminator!
Gray - Would be right at home on a medieval battlefield with a claymore on his back, just the type of forward Australia will not like.
Croft - Excellent runner and great option in the line-out.
Warburton - Captain and leader by example.
Denton - I have been impressed every time I have seen this guy.
Youngs - Huge talent, he will continue to improve.
Flood - Him and Youngs have a great partnership, always gets the backline firing. 2013 too early for Ford I think.
North - Best wing in the NH.
Hook - This might seem strange but need a creative player inside Manu.
Tuilagi - Wrecking ball with speed, BOD just isnt the player he was.
Bowe - Intelligent wing who has a habit of scoring.
Foden - Would pick Kearney if we were playing SA.
 
Aw.

Why do so many seem to think BO'D is past it after one bad game? He's in general been pretty good since he's come back. He was excellent against Clermont and Ulster (after having surgery 10 days before hand which should have put him out for 5 weeks) was pretty solid in the first test and again fantastic in the second yeah it was a very bad third test but what back had a good one? Basically I'm saying one bad match does not suddenly mean that he is "past it".
 
I didnt say he was past it, but at one point in time I considered him the best back in the world. Now imo, he is not the best OC option for the lions.
 
I didnt say he was past it, but at one point in time I considered him the best back in the world. Now imo, he is not the best OC option for the lions.

I'd have quoted you if I was referring solely to you

On another note are you by any chance a Leicester fan?
 
I have to say, I think that BO'D has looked pretty good since coming back. He looked very sharp for the majority of the NZ tour in particular. If he was available, I would put him in without question because as we all know, he is a class above and he won't let the team down in the big games.
 
I'm never happy selecting a lions starting teams before the tour begins. It usually ends up being more about combinations than talent, so I'm more content in selecting squads. If it were up to me I'd bring these 36:

LH Props: Healy, Jenkins, Corbisiero
Hookers: Best, Hartley, Owens (Yeaaaah)
TH Props: Jones, Cole, Ross
Second Rows: Grey, Evans, O'Connell, Lawes
Backrows: Lydiate, Ferris, Warburton, O'Brien, Denton, Barclay, Jones
Scrum Halves: Danny Care, Rhys Webb, Eoin Reddan
Fly halves: Johnny Sexton, Toby Flood, James Hook
Centres: Jamie Roberts, Ashley Beck, Brian O'Driscoll, Manu Tuilagi
Wings: Tommy Bowe, George North, Chris Ashton, Alex Cuthbert
Fullbacks: Rob Kearney, Leigh Halfpenny, Ben Foden
 
Am I the only one who thinks Cronin could go? Considering the lack of options at hooker he could be there great impact player to have and DO'C went in 2005 despite being a sub. Strauss becoming "Irish" could **** it up for him though.
 
Lolz, Cuthbert won't be anywhere near the Lions. There must be at least 6 better wingers than him in the British Isles.

I'm never happy selecting a lions starting teams before the tour begins. It usually ends up being more about combinations than talent, so I'm more content in selecting squads. If it were up to me I'd bring these 36:

LH Props: Healy, Jenkins, Corbisiero
Hookers: Best, Hartley, Owens (Yeaaaah)
TH Props: Jones, Cole, Ross
Second Rows: Grey, Evans, O'Connell, Lawes
Backrows: Lydiate, Ferris, Warburton, O'Brien, Denton, Barclay, Jones
Scrum Halves: Danny Care, Rhys Webb, Eoin Reddan
Fly halves: Johnny Sexton, Toby Flood, James Hook
Centres: Jamie Roberts, Ashley Beck, Brian O'Driscoll, Manu Tuilagi
Wings: Tommy Bowe, George North, Chris Ashton, Alex Cuthbert
Fullbacks: Rob Kearney, Leigh Halfpenny, Ben Foden

I see you've changed your mind.
 
I see you've changed your mind.

Yep, he's been very impressive in the last 6 months. Doesn't matter though, with Luke Fitzgerald injured we're all doomed. In any case, he'd be fifth choice, with Halfpenny also able to operate on the wing.
 
I'd take Visser over Cuthbert, despite being about as British/Irish as....Riki Flutey.
Think I'd take an extra lock as well (Parling?) as I don't think 4 is enough (if one picks up a nock it means that all three test locks have to be involved in the next midweek) though Ryan Jones can cover there I suppose.
 
I'd take Visser over Cuthbert, despite being about as British/Irish as....Riki Flutey.
Think I'd take an extra lock as well (Parling?) as I don't think 4 is enough (if one picks up a nock it means that all three test locks have to be involved in the next midweek) though Ryan Jones can cover there I suppose.


I'd be a little sick if either Visser or Strauss toured to be honest. I dislike the idea of project players at international level, never mind for the Lions.

As for another lock, I did think at the time that I was leaving it a bit light. Take one of Bradley Davies, Donnacha Ryan, Geoff Parling or AWJ. They're all around the same level.
 
Strauss isn't Cronin's problem anyway. It's Kidney's hatred of giving subs real gametime.
 
My Squad:

Props: Jenkins, Jones, Healy, Cole, Corbisiero, Ross
Hookers: Best, Hibbard, Cronin
Secondrows: O'Connell, Gray, Evans, Ryan, Parling
Backrows: Ferris, Lydiate, Warburton, O'Brien, Heaslip, Denton, Robshaw
Scrumhalves: Care, Blair, Philips (To offer something different if he's on form)
Outhalves: Sexton, Flood, Hook
Centres: Roberts, O'Driscoll, Tuilagi, Beck
Back three: Kearney, Halfpenny, Foden, Bowe, North, Wade (my bolter), Earls (more versatility than Ashton or Cuthbert)

38 man squad 14 Irish, 12 Welsh, 9 English and 3 Scottish. Maybe some bias if Fitzgerald comes back in form I'd have him over Earls.
 
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