June International Test: South Africa vs. Ireland [1st Test] (11/06/2016)

[Jockstap]

Irish mentality in a nutshell here, we're better when we're bitter. I'm in shock.

 

[JohnKA]

15. Willie Le Roux - 6/10 Had some good touches but look out of place most of the time
14. JP Pietersen - 6/10 Had some good touches but could have done better with that last ball and could have scored
13. Lionell Mapoe - 3/10 made tackles but useless not a bok sorry
12. Damien De Allende - 5/10 Had some runs otherwise useless we need new centres
11. Lwazi Mvovo 6/10 - Some nice high balls , scored a try but missed a few tackles
10. Pat Lambie - Dead
9. Faf De Klerk - 7/10 i think a rather good debut fast ball , but a bit out of place in defence
8. Duane Vermeulen - 6/10 Ran into players so nothing new
7. Siya Kolisi - 8/10 Some good carries and some nice runs
6. Francois Louw - 2/10 go back to Bath
5. Lood de Jager - 2/10 buy a rulebook
4. Eben Etzebeth - 4/10 Ran into players so nothing new
3. Frans Malherbe - 1/10 Get a 1 for not losing every scrum and get a rulebook benchwarmer next time
2. Adriaan Strauss - Was he even on the field ??????
1. Tendai Mtawarira - 7/10 Good carries and scrum work

16. Bongi Mbonambi ----
17. Trevor Nyakane - 4/10 need to work on scrum
18. Julian Redelinghuys - not alot of time on the field
19. Pieter-Steph du Toit - 7/10 Nice try !! some hard carries lost a line-out
20. Warren Whiteley - 6/10 need to step up this is not super rugby and need to play at #8
21. Rudy Paige - 5/10 Slower then Faf but i guess we dont really have other option
22. Elton Jantjies - 7/10 Dont know ehy we started kicking so much at the end but he has the skill to be the bok #10
23. Jesse Kriel - 5/10 Was okay

All in all , this was terrible i said we are going to crush the IRish but yeah il will eat some humble pie very nice win for the Irish played with pride ,we really need new centres and there are a few guys that dont belong in this team

 

[j'nuh]

I've gotta say, for all the talk about politics, quotas don't make a man forget how to pass and catch.

We bemoan, time and time again, the way NH teams lag behind SH teams because they have the mental and technical ability to get the ball into space. Based on that, South Africa is the most NH side in the world. All of the cool-headed players who made South Africa great in the last generation are gone and there's no one there to replace them. There's no one in their prime replacing the old farts really. Coetzee really has his work cut out to get some brains and hands back into them.

Been a very good week for closing the hemisphere gap.

But a bad week for closing the NZ-everyone else gap.

 

[Ka_Mate]

Yay!!! 2-1 to the NH

Yeah, we would like to disown South Africa now and we're adopting Argentina


PS, has Crombrink shagged everyone in SARU's mother or something? The man couldn't get picked if he was Jonah Lomu reincarnate.

If I were him I'd high tail it to Europe and never look back, criminally under picked.

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

But a bad week for closing the NZ-everyone else gap.

I wouldn't say that's true, although Wales lost, they definitely proved that NZ are beatable and have their weaknesses. After today, I feel much better about the Lions tour.

 

[TommiG88]

Yeah, we would like to disown South Africa now and we're adopting Argentina


PS, has Crombrink shagged everyone in SARU's mother or something? The man couldn't get picked if he was Jonah Lomu reincarnate.

If I were him I'd high tail it to Europe and never look back, criminally under picked.

I'm sure normal service will resume next week, although SA don't look good.

 

[Ka_Mate]

I wouldn't say that's true, although Wales lost, they definitely proved that NZ are beatable and have their weaknesses. After today, I feel much better about the Lions tour.

Not really, what they proved was we have lost 1000 test caps and still have loads of depth for guys to step into those shoes and easily beat a well oiled veteran Welsh side.

We all knew it would be close up until the 60th minute mark then the AB's run away with it. No gap was closed at all today with NZ.

The rust will be off and combinations will be firing in the upcoming tests. Wales missed their chance.

 

[TommiG88]

Not really, what they proved was we have lost 1000 test caps and still have loads of depth for guys to step into those shoes and easily beat a well oiled veteran Welsh side.

We all knew it would be close up until the 60th minute mark then the AB's run away with it. No gap was closed at all today with NZ.

I agree, Wales got beaten by a relatively inexperienced NZ side. If I was Welsh, I would be disappointed it wasn't closer.

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

Not really, what they proved was we have lost 1000 test caps and still have loads of depth for guys to step into those shoes and easily beat a well oiled veteran Welsh side.

We all knew it would be close up until the 60th minute mark then the AB's run away with it. No gap was closed at all today with NZ.

Up until the 60 minute mark it was anyone's game. If a team that knew how to play more than 60 mins had played them, it would've been a very interesting game.

 

[Peat]

Again though... unless you are saying any use of the foot in a ruck and any chargedown is reckless, and therefore illegal, then you are judging whether it's reckless or not by the outcome - which is illogical.

But how it's already reffed that way with the spear tackle. And the high ball. Well, sometimes with the high ball. Reckless contact with the eyes.

The idea that if something dangerous happens accidentally, you're screwed, already exists in rugby.

And not all chargedowns are reckless, but every one of them that ends up smashing someone in the head probably is. Ditto feet in the ruck.

 

[Ka_Mate]

Up until the 60 minute mark it was anyone's game. If a team that knew how to play more than 60 mins had played them, it would've been a very interesting game.

Says everyone after playing the All Blacks post 2010.

But really, how often do you find sides going toe to toe with the AB's until the 2nd half of the 2nd half, virtually every top 5-6 nation in the world experiences this vs the All Blacks who use their bench masterfully and put teams to the sword.

It's not luck mate, it's a well executed game plan that never fails because of the quality of the bench and our fitness and toughness that's burned into us from a young age.

 

[ncurd]

Says everyone after playing the All Blacks post 2010.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/20534229

I really hate some NZers belief they have a God given right to win. Shame were not playing you in the AI's I'd give us half a chance this year.

 

[Ka_Mate]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/20534229

I really hate some NZers belief they have a God given right to win. Shame were not playing you in the AI's I'd give us half a chance this year.

I to would love to have a crack at ya's and smash you back down to planet earth

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/04/england-crash-out-of-rugby-world-cup

 

[ratsapprentice]

But how it's already reffed that way with the spear tackle. And the high ball. Well, sometimes with the high ball. Reckless contact with the eyes.

The idea that if something dangerous happens accidentally, you're screwed, already exists in rugby.

And not all chargedowns are reckless, but every one of them that ends up smashing someone in the head probably is. Ditto feet in the ruck.

They back tracked from the high ball because they realised it was stupid to penalise people based on the undesireable outcome of an otherwise legitimate and legal action.

They don't allow ant form of tip or spear tackle because they deem the risk of dangerous outcome far too high - if they deem that to be the case with feet in the ruck and chargedowns, then fine.

How do you define what was reckless about that particular challenge though? That he jumped?

You're still wanting to judge the action purely based on the result IMO.
The context for a chargedown or a boot in the ruck can only vary so much - in both circumstances you are likely to be kicking out near someone's head or running and jumping directly at someone.
By your definition they are inherently reckless and should be illegal.

 

[Peat]

Yes, I do want to judge on the result. If you hit the head, you've strayed from legal to illegal. I've been completely open about that.

edit: That, at least, is how I'd run it.

That is, at times, how World Rugby runs it. They are not consistent enough though.

 

[ncurd]

I to would love to have a crack at ya's and smash you back down to planet earth

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/04/england-crash-out-of-rugby-world-cup

bah were over that poor management we've beaten both teams since by a decent margin.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Fine.

I think that's moronic though, particularly if your intention is to reduce the actual incidences of hits to the head.

 

[Peat]

Fine.

I think that's moronic though, particularly if your intention is to reduce the actual incidences of hits to the head.

Are you saying it wouldn't reduce hits to the head?

 

[j'nuh]

Peat, your way risks people deliberately using their heads to shield the ball, especially in the ruck. More people could end up getting hurt that way.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Nope, it would have a negligible effect IMO.

You would reduce hits to the head by saying any boots in the ruck or chargedowns are illegal.