Ireland v Argentina - 15/11/2024 - (20.10)

[Saintjay]

That would have been a lovely score.

 

[Groundhog]

Ah bollix, unlucky. Lovely set up to the non-try, we are looking good out wide.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

If the Scotland one was red then that definitely is

 

[munstermuffin]

Must say the atmosphere is horrific up there again.

 

[Groundhog]

Yeah that's poor from Bealham.

 

[Reiser99]

If the Scotland one was red then that definitely is

It won't be because he didn't fall on his legs I think. Last week the red was for mainly for falling on the leg, not the croc roll itself.

 

[Saintjay]

Yeah that's poor from Bealham.

Daft you just can't do that now.

 

[jordiev]

It won't be because he didn't fall on his legs I think. Last week the red was for mainly for falling on the leg, not the croc roll itself.

Surely intent over outcome when trying to eliminate something from the game is more important? Shouldn't really judge by wether something looks ugly or not

 

[Groundhog]

Surely intent over outcome when trying to eliminate something from the game is more important? Shouldn't really judge by wether something looks ugly or not

Can't really ref something as intangible as intent.

 

[jordiev]

Can't really ref something as intangible as intent.

When it is a blatant roll like that, yes you can, you shouldn't be punishing on whether he landed on his leg or not.

 

[Reiser99]

How the hell are two argentina players off for a HIA and blood replacement and Crowley is still on looking like that?

 

[Groundhog]

When it is a blatant roll like that, yes you can, you shouldn't be punishing on whether he landed on his leg or not.

Then every single Croc Roll is a red. Which right or wrong, under the laws it's not. You have to ref outcomes because refs are not mind readers and can't judge intent.

 

[Reiser99]

Argentina are being too conservative. Not going to win this by kicking, especially when a man up.

 

[jordiev]

Then every single Croc Roll is a red. Which right or wrong, under the laws it's not. You have to ref outcomes because refs are not mind readers and can't judge intent.

If you are trying to eliminate something from the game as its dangerous then yes, every croc roll should be a red, iwhen you are grabbing a leg and neck and twisting it is dangerous regardless of outcome, doesnt matter if you land on a leg. Intent when you actively do that is obvious.

 

[Yulia]

Can't look at Bealham hair anymore

 

[Saintjay]

When it is a blatant roll like that, yes you can, you shouldn't be punishing on whether he landed on his leg or not.

Yes but you can mitigate the offence, no injury, low degree of danger etc or every head on head would be a straight red as well. The minor tip tackle should have been a card because he might have hurt himself etc.

 

[AngloScotsHybrid]

Surely intent over outcome when trying to eliminate something from the game is more important? Shouldn't really judge by wether something looks ugly or not

I totally agree with this and I don't think enough consideration is being given to intent these days. Players are being given cards regardless of whether they had a choice about doing it differently.

 

[Groundhog]

If you are trying to eliminate something from the game as its dangerous then yes, every croc roll should be a red, iwhen you are grabbing a leg and neck and twisting it is dangerous regardless of outcome, doesnt matter if you land on a leg. Intent when you actively do that is obvious.

Well then you're not arguing that refs should take intent into account. You're arguing that croc rolls should be treated like an extreme piece of foul play or reclassified to an instant red. I don't agree, but fair enough opinion to hold

 

[munstermuffin]

Our attack structures are gone backwards the last few months.

 

[Reiser99]

Ireland looked a bit unsure there in attack, like they weren't sure what to do next.

Argentina 9's box kicking is not good enough.