Ireland Squad for North American Tour

[big ginger 8]

You can't turn down a central contract. IRFU designate your contract and decide does it come out of provincal budget or central. IF SOB is currently still on existing contract from Leinster then next renewal he will be paid out of IRFU budget what is wrong with that

Well Sean O'Brien can and did by all accounts. As provinces pay bonuses for international caps he stands to make more and can control his commercial rights. He was up for renewal last year I think, might have been the year before and turned one down then.

 

[munstermuffin]

Well Sean O'Brien can and did by all accounts. As provinces pay bonuses for international caps he stands to make more and can control his commercial rights. He was up for renewal last year I think, might have been the year before and turned one down then.

100% false. Let's remember it's all IRFU and way contracts work are

Provincal budget pays basic Prov Contract
If international caps and bonuses come in Prov budget continues to pay basic wage IRFU cover rest
Central IRFU cover everything.

Any commercial rights are dealt with on a percentage basis regardless of what contract you are on and you don't have any less/more control over anything. Let's not forget it all paid out of 1 bank account.

 

[munstermuffin]

Sean O'Brien renewed for 3 years in Jan 2011. No chance he'd even have been offered a central contract then as he wasn't even on Irish team then.
And IRFU wouldn't have renewed it if they don't have to

 

[big ginger 8]

Sean O'Brien renewed for 3 years in Jan 2011. No chance he'd even have been offered a central contract then as he wasn't even on Irish team then.
And IRFU wouldn't have renewed it if they don't have to

Players have been given contracts when they weren't in the team. There's over 15contracts it not just starters. Gordon D'arcy doesn't have a central contract and he's a starter. I'm sure that's 100% false as well but why has he spoken about it then.

 

[munstermuffin]

Players have been given contracts when they weren't in the team. There's over 15contracts it not just starters. Gordon D'arcy doesn't have a central contract and he's a starter. I'm sure that's 100% false as well but why has he spoken about it then.

D'arcy does have central contract until 2014

http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/26404.php

As for Sean O'Brien

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/my_club/leinster/9365628.stm

Can't say I heard O'Brien ever comment so maybe you can provide me with link as I would be able to see

but it there in statements D'arcy contracted centrally from 2012 to Summer of 2014.
Sean O'Brien contracted by Leinster from 2011 to Summer of 2014. He wasn't with national team at time of agreeing that deal and I presume he will be on central deal next time.
IRFU don't have set ways of giving these deals and I not arguing anything just stating facts.
Like SOB for example why would they give him a central contract now which would cost them more money when they don't have to yet?
Or for your point why would they leave him on a provincal deal if it was costing more than a central contract and why would Leinster be happy with that when it takes a chunk of their budget that could be used elsewhere??

 

[munstermuffin]

Seems all the big names not on Lions your have to go to USA if rumours are true. Part of deal to keep them fit in case of Lions call

 

[big ginger 8]

Kiss been kept on as defense coach.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/sealed-with-a-kiss-29246577.html

Conor George article the only one I could find.

Also says Mallett is being looked at as a replacement for Smal.

 

[munstermuffin]

Kiss been kept on as defense coach.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/sealed-with-a-kiss-29246577.html

Conor George article the only one I could find.

Also says Mallett is being looked at as a replacement for Smal.

Would be wary of that like Smal was behind our bench in Montpellier for HEC bench and it unlikely the IRFU would've sent him if planning to give him the axe. As in it is Conor George so I don't know lol but how is Smal's health now. Would that be a factor

 

[munstermuffin]

Kiss been kept on as defense coach.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/sealed-with-a-kiss-29246577.html

Conor George article the only one I could find.

Also says Mallett is being looked at as a replacement for Smal.

Would be wary of that like Smal was behind our bench in Montpellier for HEC bench and it unlikely the IRFU would've sent him if planning to give him the axe. As in it is Conor George so I don't know lol but how is Smal's health now. Would that be a factor.
As for Kiss, if he's ok after not getting the gig himself I think him and Schmidt would be superb in roles where Schmidt looks after attack and Kiss reverts to what he is best at.

 

[big ginger 8]

Would be wary of that like Smal was behind our bench in Montpellier for HEC bench and it unlikely the IRFU would've sent him if planning to give him the axe. As in it is Conor George so I don't know lol but how is Smal's health now. Would that be a factor.
As for Kiss, if he's ok after not getting the gig himself I think him and Schmidt would be superb in roles where Schmidt looks after attack and Kiss reverts to what he is best at.

That could quite possibly be because he's part of planning for the tour no word about a contract extension for him and he's in his last year.

 

[munstermuffin]

That could quite possibly be because he's part of planning for the tour no word about a contract extension for him and he's in his last year.

Agreed as in that is a possibility but I'd hope if he's not been kept on he's gone quick. Schmidt needs whoever he wants in place as quick as possible although I will add an Interesting comment from Leinster CEO when appointing O'Connor yesterday was Schmidt won't be bringing any of his backroom staff with him but may use them during 6Nations. Don't know is that anything worth reading in to though

 

[big ginger 8]

Ireland Squad (North American Tour - USA & Canada)

Props: Court, Kilcoyne, Fitzpatrick, Hagan, Ross
Hookers: Best, Sherry, Strauss
Locks: McCarthy, Tuohy, Toner, Henderson
Backrow: Henry, McLaughlin, O'Donnell, O'Mahony

Scrumhalves: Boss, Marmion, Marshall
Flyhalves: Jackson, Madigan
Centres: Cave, McFadden, Olding
Wingers: Trimble, Zebo
Fullbacks: Jones, Henshaw

Emerging Ireland Squad (Tblisi Cup, Georgia)

Props: McGrath, J Ryan, Bent, Lutton, Moore
Hookers: Cronin, Herring
Locks: Foley, Nagle, Stevenson
Backrow: D Ryan, Diack, Murphy, Ruddock, McKeon

Scrumhalves: Cooney, Heaney
Flyhalves: Keatley, Marsh
Centres: Griffin, Macken, Allen
Wingers: Conway, Kearney, Morris
Fullback: O'Halloran

A number of players were not considered due to injury including;
Stephen Ferris, Eoin Reddan, Luke Fitzgerald, Gordon D'Arcy, Luke Marshall, David McSharry, Keith Earls, Stephen Archer.

Presume Gilroy must be as well and maybe Hanrahan?

 

[munstermuffin]

Big fall back for Cronin and in a way Ruddock too. Fair play to Hagan on the call up and glad to see Fitzpatrick back in there too.
Add in Les Kiss said he will be involved under Schmidt too

 

[big ginger 8]

Big fall back for Cronin and in a way Ruddock too. Fair play to Hagan on the call up and glad to see Fitzpatrick back in there too.
Add in Les Kiss said he will be involved under Schmidt too

Do you know if Hanrahan is injured?

Also Best and Ruddock are the captains.

 

[munstermuffin]

Just to add in while I think it understandable in a way in disappointed Coughlan wasn't rewarded for form and JJ isn't injured just wasn't selected not injured

 

[munstermuffin]

Just to add BG8 although I'm investigating reasons. Marsh is in exact place Hanrahan should be on list. He isn't with M's on alphabetical list so I don't know what happened will find out though
Same for Diack ahead of Dave O'Callaghan on list.

 

[big ginger 8]

Update on Gilroy.

http://www.ulsterrugby.com/news/11483.php

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

I'm relatively happy with those squads.

First, the senior squad:
I would have given Court, Best and Ross the summer off. I'm guessing Ross and Best were close to Lions selection so they need to stay fit if they've any chance of a late injury related call up.

Cronin, Downey and Coughlan are unlucky. The Munster players don't make it because of their age which counts against them ahead of the 2015 World Cup. Coughlan in particular is unlucky as he'll probably never win a cap when his form over the last three seasons warrants one.

Tuohy is lucky to be there. I suspect it's because Donncha O'Callaghan is getting the summer off. Boss is slightly lucky to travel given his age but he's on good form and Ireland's other available scrum halves are inexperienced. Jones is lucky given Zebo and Henshaw can both play fullback at a higher level than him. McLaughlin over Diack and Ruddock must have been a close call. Fitzpatrick is lucky too but such is Ireland's lack of options at tighthead that he gets the nod.

I'm very happy for Hagan who has seen his form rocket over the last couple of months. Sherry has worked hard to get this chance and hopefully he gets a cap. Olding and Marmion have a chance to show they're good enough to be in a first choice XXIII.

Tblisi Cup selection:
Herring is a wildcard selection. I haven't seen much of him at all for Ulster this season. Marsh is an equally surprising selection. Presumably something's up with JJ Hanrahan. Gareth Steenson was an option here as well even though I think Marsh is hugely talented. The backrow is very strong.

What I'm most interested in seeing is the battle at tighthead. Bent has been very underwhelming. Can Lutton or Moore displace him?

 

[munstermuffin]

JJ and Dave O Callaghan withdrawn due to having played too much since last year

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

JJ and Dave O Callaghan withdrawn due to having played too much since last year

Is that the real reason or is it just spin? I saw it on other sites too.

Kieran Marmion played in the JWC last year and followed it up by starting every game for Connacht this season. He's touring. As is Robbie Henshaw who appeared in most games for Connacht and is just one year out of school. Michael Bent has a full Super Rugby, ITM Cup and Pro12/Heineken Cup/Amlin Cup season back to back to back and he tours. Hanrahan played 10 or so games for Munster and gets the summer off?