Incompetent international refereeing

[Shaggy]

The big question for me - will the refs have as much training on how to avoid those mistakes as the players? I think we know the answer and I'd like to see steps towards changing that (although I don't know how much training they do now or how I'd change it)

Yeah, I get where you are coming from, and I do think that the top Refs have seminars etc, to address specific issues ... I think I may have seen something on Totally Rugby once, where they were having one on scrummaging, where they were actually packing down against each other

I guess the Refs "training" would largely have to be done away from their international peers though, just due to the length of the season, and the fact that they are officiating away from each other in different geographical locations, for most of the year.

I certainly don't envy the refs, as there's so many more things they have to look out for/make decisions on, than the players, and therefore more potential for error.

 

[Peat]

Yeah, I get where you are coming from, and I do think that the top Refs have seminars etc, to address specific issues ... I think I may have seen something on Totally Rugby once, where they were having one on scrummaging, where they were actually packing down against each other

I guess the Refs "training" would largely have to be done away from their international peers though, just due to the length of the season, and the fact that they are officiating away from each other in different geographical locations, for most of the year.

I certainly don't envy the refs, as there's so many more things they have to look out for/make decisions on, than the players, and therefore more potential for error.

Rugby is close to, if not actually at the point of, being unreffable. But it is incredibly frustrating at the moment trying to watch the game.

Does ref training need each other or seminars? Obviously they need to do stuff to address new laws and get on the same page - but what about decision making under pressure? How many games do they ref?

 

[Bada-Bing!]

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3820_9599146,00.html

Talking about incompetent international refereeing, the six nations refs have been announced. First up Garces for the Wales v England game. :shudders:

 

[Rugga-lad]

The coaches need to come together with the referees and the IRB and sort out the problems. We are talking way too much about interpretation when there's only one law book. Attention is on the refereeing and not on the game. That should be reversed.

 

[Matibach]

This slowing down of the game with feigned injuries etc...has been going on since rugby began! With health and safety the way it is nowadays these scenarios are even more used!
It goes to show that the game has not moved on in over a hundred years just actored more!, Sorry adapted more!!!Format still the same, pass back to go forward, scrimmage, line outs, free kicks, penalties, after game banter, on tour stays their! Everything is still the same! Big men, small men, tough men, wimps, fast men, slower men arrogant men, gentlemen!!
One solution maybe is that someone who stops the clock through injury is either really hurt in which they need to be substituted. The usual knocks and bumps accosiated with the game, give him an allotted time of for example 45seconds of time off.
If he's not fit to continue after allotted time them he will need a minimum of say 5mins recover time before he can enter the field of play.
Repeat offenders or those prone to slow the game down will see the time stopped due to them,
added back on in addition to their 5mins rest time!
Your thoughts!
Cheers

 

[BraddersTheDog]

NZ, kings of obstruction, crossing and forward passes.

Best in the world though.

 

[austingtir]

NZ, Even have to overcome biased refs and opposition supporters with no idea

Best team in the world though.

There fixed it for you.....

 

[Brom]

World Cup refereeing

Is this a good time to raise again the problem of Rugby refereeing standards? It wasn't much of a prediction, in the first post almost exactly a year ago, that poor refereeing would damage the World Cup. No need to rehash the Joubert mistake but you have to wonder about how backward the administrators are in the game. I have 2 points which others might like to comment on.
Why is there still only one match referee on the field? Most other international team sports have 2, each looking at separate, specific things, plus line judges (Rugby League, Hockey, AFL, Basketball NFL,Cricket and others) With so much at stake in big matches, other sports try to minimise the refereeing error rate by any reasonable means. Mistakes are still made but they are reduced by having a lead and assistant referee.
The other obvious change, much discussed already, is the use of the TMO. The speed of the TV review was previously a problem but not any longer. TV replays from several angles now take a few seconds. There should not be any limit on what a TMO can make a judgement on - forward passes, knock ons, offsides, foul play ... so long as it can be clearly seen. (Though probably draw the line on which prop caused the scrum to go down- might have to leave that decision on the field.)

 

[TheOvalBall]

I'm not a fan of 2 referees on the field. There is currently enough help 2 touch judges and a tmo. They just need to get it right. It all starts with the administrators.

 

[dynamicdave]

I have a feeling that IF/WHEN your team wins the ref is great.

 

[Brom]

Poor reffing is never good

I have a feeling that IF/WHEN your team wins the ref is great.

Dave, not at all. Last week's win against Scotland was very hollow. It wasn't a penalty, Australia should not have been able to kick for goal. Nor was the sin bin correct for the failed Scottish intercept.