Graham Henry on 2007 RWC Match Fixing

[Draggs]

Honestly, this will never be dropped, considering I still hear people whinge about 1905.

 

[Gena_ZA]

Henry suspected match fixing after RWC 07 exit

[h=1]Henry suspected match fixing after RWC 07 exit[/h] 29 Jul 2012
Graham Henry believes the All Blacks were victims of match fixing during the 20-18 quarter-final loss to France in the 2007 World Cup.
In his biography, ‘Graham Henry Final Word’, Henry revealed that he contemplated match-fixing as the only logical explanation for the All Blacks’ upset 20-18 loss to Les Bleus.
Henry analysed the game on video for his report to the NZRU and found Barnes had awarded only two penalties to New Zealand during the game. His analysis was that France deserved to be penalised up to 40 times.
His gut feeling, according to his biography, was that the video ‘would confirm that referee Wayne Barnes and his touch judges, Jonathan Kaplan from South Africa and Tony Spreadbury from England, hadn’t exactly covered themselves in glory at the Millennium Stadium, that they had missed an obvious forward pass when France scored its match-winning try â€" a pass so forward everyone in the stadium had witnessed it except the referee â€" and that Barnes had been pretty lenient on the French at the breakdowns, probably costing the All Blacks the game’.
Henry’s video had three different angles and featured statistical breakdowns of lineouts, scrums, penalties, tackle counts, territory and possession. On those statistics, the All Blacks dominated. They had an overwhelming 73% territorial advantage, winning 166 rucks to France’s 42 and making only 73 tackles compared with France’s 331.
A mind-boggled Henry was so stunned by his findings, he told the NZRU it should pressure the IRB to institute an inquiry. He also said it was ‘incomprehensible’ that the IRB did not have strategies in place to investigate bizarre matches.

The NZRU chose not to push for an investigation.

Source - http://keo.co.za/2012/07/29/henry-suspects-match-fixing-after-rwc-07-exit/

 

[Gena_ZA]

Interesting but if such a very possible scenario as he makes it to be, why wait 5 years and publish it is a book?
Now it seems like an afterthought

 

[Groundhog]

Yea About that....... http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?28199-Graham-henry-2007-WC-match-fixing

 

[Kiwiwomble]

Interesting but if such a very possible scenario as he makes it to be, why wait 5 years and publish it is a book?
Now it seems like an afterthought

..he waited till he wasn't the coach anymore.

to the rest of you

So, basically we are saying that he wasn't allowed to feel robbed in the heat of the moment after the game (and yes, with something that big it might last weeks. Also, the review by the IRB ref commity or what ever it is called concluded barnes missed 16 penalties to the AB's) and now that he is trying to tell his story he is not allowed to explain that's what he was going through? unless i'm mistaken he's not asking for it to be investigated now...

it's a book, a HISTORY book, about the things he went through. get over yourselves, not every time a kiwi mentions something they didn't like are we crying to mummy...sometimes....something was stuffed up.

you wonder why some kiwis might think things are set up for them to fail and then rip into them as if we are hated....ever think the egg may have come before the chicken? if people didnt take so much enjoyment from the ab's loosing, and i was in cardiff that night and have never been abused by the welsh like that before, then we might be slightly better losers

edit: just to clarify, i dont think it was fixed, i just think Barnes was crap and the one with the most points on the board is the winner, end of

 

[admartian]

Finally.

 

[Feicarsinn]

..he waited till he wasn't the coach anymore.

to the rest of you

So, basically we are saying that he wasn't allowed to feel robbed in the heat of the moment after the game (and yes, with something that big it might last weeks. Also, the review by the IRB ref commity or what ever it is called concluded barnes missed 16 penalties to the AB's) and now that he is trying to tell his story he is not allowed to explain that's what he was going through? unless i'm mistaken he's not asking for it to be investigated now...

it's a book, a HISTORY book, about the things he went through. get over yourselves, not every time a kiwi mentions something they didn't like are we crying to mummy...sometimes....something was stuffed up.

you wonder why some kiwis might think things are set up for them to fail and then rip into them as if we are hated....ever think the egg may have come before the chicken? if people didnt take so much enjoyment from the ab's loosing, and i was in cardiff that night and have never been abused by the welsh like that before, then we might be slightly better losers

edit: just to clarify, i dont think it was fixed, i just think Barnes was crap and the one with the most points on the board is the winner, end of

I thought it was an autobiography.

 

[William18]

Ah, the NZ media - the only in the world that can drum up arrogant horsehit on an equal standard to the British and Irish rags. NZ win, it's because on NZ Brilliance... NZ lose, it's because of cheating.

Same old, same old.

I think it is New Zealand's best player who is always accused of cheating. In 2007 the referee coupled with other factors both within and outside our control contributed to our loss. Had the game been refereed fairly we would have won. That is a factual statement for me. We were cheated on that night. I don't see when else the New Zealand media have accused another side of cheating though?

As for 2011 most people in New Zealand (or at least a sizeable minority) believe France were better on the night. Personally, I think it was a close game that could have gone either way. France dominated a good chunk of the second half but we were on top in the first. A draw would have been a fair result but of course there could only be one winner.

 

[Larksea]

most bizarre reffing display I've ever seen. I'm sure I wont see anything like it till the day I die. Lawrence was pretty bad for the AUS vs. SA game last year but that display by Barnes was a LOT worse.

The forward pass was a bad miss but that stuff does happen in games. The yellow card was a bad call but that sometimes happens too. But the penalty count was so Bizarre and beyond explanation or what you would normally expect. In a tournament where the refs were whistle happy and blowing for anything and everything France were only penalized twice the whole game and not a single time in the 2nd half, yet when you review the game you can see Barnes had as many as 40 instances where he could have blown a penalty and about 20 of those definitely should have been penalties.

We will never know if there was anything more. But when you have a ref that earns what less than 100k? in a tournament with maybe hundreds of millions of dollars tied up in betting? I think it would be silly to say for absolute sure nothing funny was going on. having the clear red hot favorites crash out then basically meant the bookies pocketed millions and millions of dollars in profit.

 

[Kiwiwomble]

I thought it was an autobiography.

and autobiography is about the past or HISTORY of a specific person unless i'm mistaken

 

[Teh Mite]

If it were refereed competently, McAlastairs forward pass wouldn't gave been missed and this conversation wouldn't be happening. Conveniently, that try is never mentioned during this conversaiton.

That all said, if Henry wasn't such a pompous old fool to ban his team from using drop goals, maybe they could have won anyway. Not as though they were short in oppertunity, 10 minutes between Jauzion dotting down and the final whisle..

 

[Teh Mite]

and autobiograph is about the past or HISTORY of a specific person unless i'm mistaken

A biography is opinion, a history book is factual. Opinion is not fact. Particulary following any kiwi loss.

 

[Feicarsinn]

and autobiography is about the past or HISTORY of a specific person unless i'm mistaken

If you say so. But if I were doing a history course on NZ rugby in the past 5 years I wouln't use Graham Henry's autobiography as a textbook. A source perhaps, but not as my history of events.

 

[Kiwiwomble]

A biography is opinion, a history book is factual. Opinion is not fact. Particulary following any kiwi loss.

i rest my earlier point

It is fact when the writer is talking about himself, he's not stating it WAS rigged, just that at the time he requested an investigation into whether it was or not and that is fact

no one has claimed it to the "the history of the last five years of NZ rugby", i believe it was quiet clear i was saying it was a history book as in about the past not as in the children should be test on it in school

 

[William18]

If it were refereed competently, McAlastairs forward pass wouldn't gave been missed and this conversation wouldn't be happening. Conveniently, that try is never mentioned during this conversaiton.

That all said, if Henry wasn't such a pompous old fool to ban his team from using drop goals, maybe they could have won anyway. Not as though they were short in oppertunity, 10 minutes between Jauzion dotting down and the final whisle..

Well it's not like New Zealanders didn't place a lot of blame on Henry following the loss.....................

And we weren't banned from taking drop goals - it just wasn't encouraged.

 

[William18]

A biography is opinion, a history book is factual. Opinion is not fact. Particulary following any kiwi loss.

Can you please point out the other losses where we have blamed the referee? Apart from Wales 1905 that is.

 

[lucky number 7]

Yay France

 

[donmcdazzle]

No non NZer will agree with the view that we were hard done by, regardless of the situation. I mean the French gave away only 2 penalties while having only 30% of the ball, but nobody will admit that is ridiculous. Easier to label us chokers or whatever. If in place of NZ, it was an underdog e.g. Argentina I'm sure the neutrals would find it much more comfortable to admit the ref was one sided and rubbish.

Also, the ref being horrible is a different issue to us losing. I agree with Teh Mite and the others that we still should have had a better go at winning it by drop goal. We can blame ourselves for the loss because we had a few chances and didn't take them. But please admit the ref was horrendous.

 

[FlukeArtist]

The whole thing is a great piece of marketing for Henry's book.

The officating in the Cardiff game was absolutely pi55-poor.
If you cannot see that, you either know very little about the rules of rugby, or you you get your jollies by seeing NZ lose.
Either way - your opinion isn't worth much.

In so far as all the NZ/AB Haters out there - hate on chumps.

The ABs results speak far louder than the jealous vitriol from some of the posters on here

 

[Larksea]

I'm pretty sure that game was the only test Henry's All Blacks lost in the northern Hemisphere during his what ~8 years as coach.