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Ok. To try and have a reasoned debate...

I have always been a football devotee but the stupid over reliance on cash and who has the most of it has taken the game away from its core audience and made it about players and not the clubs or supporters.

As for rugby, I have watched Union and like it for an occasion but as a sport I prefer league. That may be as the crowd and experience is similar to the game of football that I have come from.

For me its about how to make union accessible and understandable (sorry for my IQ!!) for me so I can get enveloped into the game itself and not be bored by scrums and lineouts.
The way I see it, scrums and lineouts are no more boring than free kicks and corners (not saying they are boring, heck a free kick just outside the box is great providing you're watching a guy that's good that's taking it).

Try and see next time how NZ score tries off of a dominant scrum; it just sets the platform. SA traditionally play off of a dominant line-out and maul. After turn-overs the scrum is the main weapon NZ use to score off of. NZ look like flash players to the uninitiated, scoring loads of tries. Not many of those tries would be possible if they didn't have a solid scrum and for turn-overs- solid defense and mastery at the breakdown. The solid defense also means teams are at times forced to kick and lazy kikcs get punished as NZ's other way to score tries is on kick returns although less so now than 3 years back with the likes of Sivivatu and Muliaina.
Agreed.

NZ hard to stop if the set piece off the scrum is great and same with SA with regards to lineouts to rolling mauls.
 


Poor refereeing for the first two try's imo. In both a maul hasn't been formed, and as such the players in front of the ball carrier should have been penalised for being offside. Blatant truck and trailer.
 
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I'll keep an eye out for it. I've certainly seen tries made from line-outs - for me it's one of the few times in a rugby match I can clearly see a planned maneuver unfold. But I've never paid close attention to how a scrum is used in scoring tries - I will now.


das

also, even if both scrums are equal it is taking 8 players briefly out of the game, changes the dynamic from 15 on 15 for a few seconds. the first play after a Scrum or lineout can be very interesting
 
I've been reading this thread , the merits and culture of both the games is an interesting topic, as a neutral it's interesting to assess the attitudes.

I think rugby fans should appreciate that the 'faking' is part of football, due it's status as a non contact sport, ie an advantage can be gained, which it cannot so easily in Rugby. It's also a part of the game everyone loves, its entertainment.

I also think that stereotyping football supporters and players as base is a bit misguided, I think that the supporters and players reflect the reality of the country. if you look at the trend away from violence and racism at games in western europe, this reflects the changing attitude of society. Although clearly football is a more traditional working class sport. Also if you look at the background of players and supporters this is becoming a lot more varied in terms education and ethnic background which is surely a positive thing.

I also think the globalisation of football has been a tool for educating the masses about other cultures. The idea that fans and players are ignorent is a pretty bad really. 2 current England players are privately educated, I would also suggest that the Englad rugby players have out badly behaved the England football team in recent years, dwarf throwing, boasting of selling cocaine etc.


I do though think that the sports could learn from each other and would be interested in the view of other posters. How can the two sports learn from each other?

Peace
 
Again, the thread's ***le is wrong.

There is no way to say which is 'better', as that's completely a matter of opinion.

A debate of 'Why is football more popular than rugby' would be better.
 
Football is a good entertainment but Rugby is a way of life! if I want my kid to grow up and become a selfish Pri*k I'l let him join that soccer team but if i want to raise a Man I'l teach him about Rugby. Enough said
 
I've been reading this thread , the merits and culture of both the games is an interesting topic, as a neutral it's interesting to assess the attitudes.

I think rugby fans should appreciate that the 'faking' is part of football, due it's status as a non contact sport, ie an advantage can be gained, which it cannot so easily in Rugby. It's also a part of the game everyone loves, its entertainment.

I also think that stereotyping football supporters and players as base is a bit misguided, I think that the supporters and players reflect the reality of the country. if you look at the trend away from violence and racism at games in western europe, this reflects the changing attitude of society. Although clearly football is a more traditional working class sport. Also if you look at the background of players and supporters this is becoming a lot more varied in terms education and ethnic background which is surely a positive thing.

I also think the globalisation of football has been a tool for educating the masses about other cultures. The idea that fans and players are ignorent is a pretty bad really. 2 current England players are privately educated, I would also suggest that the Englad rugby players have out badly behaved the England football team in recent years, dwarf throwing, boasting of selling cocaine etc.


I do though think that the sports could learn from each other and would be interested in the view of other posters. How can the two sports learn from each other?

Peace

you're saying you believe the supporters love divers?...seriously?
 
This bloke who started this thread clearly has way too much time on his hands...

Personally, as an Australian I ****ing hate soccer. Over here it's just a game sissies followed by latte-sipping middle class white people who don't really like sport, but think that being a soccer fan somehow makes them worldly (and constantly demands that everyone call it "football" because he has zero knowledge of the history of the word). Over in Europe on the other hand, your average soccer fan is some numb-scull with the IQ of a cucumber that wants to murder anyone who doesn't wear his team's colours.

Just an awful, dreary, oppressive and negative sport in every way possible. I would honestly rather drive nails into my eyelids than watch such nonsense.

That's my 2 cents ;-).
 
This bloke who started this thread clearly has way too much time on his hands...

Personally, as an Australian I ****ing hate soccer. Over here it's just a game sissies followed by latte-sipping middle class white people who don't really like sport, but think that being a soccer fan somehow makes them worldly (and constantly demands that everyone call it "football" because he has zero knowledge of the history of the word). Over in Europe on the other hand, your average soccer fan is some numb-scull with the IQ of a cucumber that wants to murder anyone who doesn't wear his team's colours.

Just an awful, dreary, oppressive and negative sport in every way possible. I would honestly rather drive nails into my eyelids than watch such nonsense.

That's my 2 cents ;-).

HAHAHA, that's almost exactly what the soccer fan base here in Canada is like, bolstered maybe by a few expats who do have a genuine knowledge of the game.
 
Hi guys, as German I've unfortunately been brought up in country that is soccer maniac - and thanx to my French ancestry I got "enlightened" and saved by rugby. Yet even if I can see where some stereotypes about soccer are coming from, please spare me the platitudes - this sport in all its facets is rather multi-layered thus if anyone from SH happens to be here when it's soccer season - feel free to invite yourself to get some deeper insight. Soccer is not rugby - but there's some fascination coming from it - trust me:D

Edit: does anyone knows good reads on the commercialisation of rugby, especiall in SH? I have a couple of French ones and thinking about preparing a course in economics dedicated to the subject - therefore, any help is much appreciated!!!
 
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I went onto this Feminist message board earlier today and posted a topic called:

Women shouldn't wear clothes unless they are aesthetically challenged - FACT.

and I listed all the reasons.

1, It not as much fun watching them jump up and down when they've got clothes on.
2, Get's them to clean and vacuum faster because they get cold if they stand about
3, They are less likely to nick stuff because they can't hide the swag down their bras
4, Guys have more money for porn because their women aren't blowing it all on shoes and white coats.
5, They could bump into each other when walking around a corner, get instantly turned on and make out right there on the pavement.
6, If you cover them in oil they go all shiny
7, If you get bored you can colour them in.
8, They make great distractions if you want other blokes to look the other way. (see item 1).
9, They can ride horses and you can call it art.
10, You'll realise why that girl on the 3rd floor is always smiling when the metal balls fall out while she's walking down the stairs.

Faced with such facts the feminists had no choice but to abandon feminism, get naked and become porn stars. I expect the exact same thing.... actually no, I expect something broadly similar but not involving the nakedness and porn to occur on this message board as soon as everyone has read this thread. I hope you found my contribution to this discussion stimulating and enlightening and not a total waste of your precious lives. :bonne-de:
 
you're saying you believe the supporters love divers?...seriously?


yeah, i think its adds to the drama, think maradona, the Owen dive or the Suarez handball. it creates drama.

The public loves Klinsmann.
 
Toko_11, you reckon that all people who play football are selfish pri*ks and the way to bring up a child is to ensure it plays rugby. That seems a little bit narrow minded and hints of really bad parenting. I would suggest a more open minded approach maybe point out the difference both positive and negatives of both codes, they are both team games.

Eye gouging doesn't make someone a man, just saying.

I would also suggest reading raising boys by Steve biddulp, it may really help you.
 
Toko_11, you reckon that all people who play football are selfish pri*ks and the way to bring up a child is to ensure it plays rugby. That seems a little bit narrow minded and hints of really bad parenting. I would suggest a more open minded approach maybe point out the difference both positive and negatives of both codes, they are both team games.

Eye gouging doesn't make someone a man, just saying.

I would also suggest reading raising boys by Steve biddulp, it may really help you.
hmm, I'm not a parent nor am I planning to be one anytime soon I was talking more about my experience as a kid. when i used to play soccer most of my team consisted of selfish pr*cks. even tho they were a good team i never wanted to talk to them outside of it.. however when i started playing rugby i became close friends with so many people not just from my team but from the other teams and other towns. coaches also gave us lots of lessons and advice on life unlike the soccer ones. and i was always angry at my father because he wouldn't let me play rugby when i wanted to for being "too young" which pretty much killed all my aspirations of going pro. i finally started to play at 18 which is very late for planning anything ambitious :/ oh well
 
HAHAHA, that's almost exactly what the soccer fan base here in Canada is like, bolstered maybe by a few expats who do have a genuine knowledge of the game.

Yeah, I forgot to add that in addition to the middle class anti-sports snobs who like it, the other group are immigrants or second gen Aussies who have a monumental chip on their shoulders about being soccer fans. These people are utterly insufferable and act like being a soccer fan is like being black in America or something (one douchebag soccer fan cousin of mine who was born in Sweden once tried to tell me that the word "soccer" was a term of oppression and denigrated those who followed it... I told to get the **** over himself). I honestly can't stand them.

Hi guys, as German I've unfortunately been brought up in country that is soccer maniac - and thanx to my French ancestry I got "enlightened" and saved by rugby. Yet even if I can see where some stereotypes about soccer are coming from, please spare me the platitudes - this sport in all its facets is rather multi-layered thus if anyone from SH happens to be here when it's soccer season - feel free to invite yourself to get some deeper insight. Soccer is not rugby - but there's some fascination coming from it - trust me:D

I know it's multilayered and all that, but all codes of football are. I just find soccer boring as batsh#t and can't stand the culture surrounding it. The Australian soccer fan is one of the most insufferable people on the planet; convinced of their own cultural superiority, ignorant and arrogant in the same breath regarding the terminology that can be used to refer to the sport, and generally seeking to ape European gang-like and socio-path infested soccer culture.

They're truly a vile group of people. I never really liked the game to begin with, but the fans just seal the deal in terms of destroying any prospect of me wanting anything to do with the game.
 
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Toko_11, you reckon that all people who play football are selfish pri*ks and the way to bring up a child is to ensure it plays rugby. That seems a little bit narrow minded and hints of really bad parenting. I would suggest a more open minded approach maybe point out the difference both positive and negatives of both codes, they are both team games.

Eye gouging doesn't make someone a man, just saying.

I would also suggest reading raising boys by Steve biddulp, it may really help you.
I'd advise you go and ****e.
Don't tell anyone how to raise his kids.

Rugby has and always will be streaks ahead of football in maturing individuals and bringing the best from people.
I know plenty of decent guys who play soccer. But when you look at the makeup of the teams you see theres a very very high proportion of scobes who play. Look at a rugby team , sure you'll have people going on the pitch and knocking the **** out of one another but off the field I can speak for my team and that of any I've encountered over my many years of playing and say they are head and shoulders above the rest in terms of conduct and respect.

All you need to do is walk into any bar in Ireland and ask the publican which of the areas teams he prefers drinking there. And the answer will 9/10 be the local rugby team , hard drinkers , good banter , No Bull****.
 
Yeah, I forgot to add that in addition to the middle class anti-sports snobs who like it, the other group are immigrants or second gen Aussies who have a monumental chip on their shoulders about being soccer fans. These people are utterly insufferable and act like being a soccer fan is like being black in America or something (one douchebag soccer fan cousin of mine who was born in Sweden once tried to tell me that the word "soccer" was a term of oppression and denigrated those who followed it... I told to get the **** over himself). I honestly can't stand them.



I know it's multilayered and all that, but all codes of football are. I just find soccer boring as batsh#t and can't stand the culture surrounding it. The Australian soccer fan is one of the most insufferable people on the planet; convinced of their own cultural superiority, ignorant and arrogant in the same breath regarding the terminology that can be used to refer to the sport, and generally seeking to ape European gang-like and socio-path infested soccer culture.

They're truly a vile group of people. I never really liked the game to begin with, but the fans just seal the deal in terms of destroying any prospect of me wanting anything to do with the game.

Do you also have the Socadas as I call them? This type of Canadian Soccer fan, like the "Cicada" insect emerges after years of hibernation to infest the local sporting scene at times of World Cups (and smaller spawnings around Euro and other International competitions).

Like their Hemiptera equivalent they emerge as loud chirpy and bright coloured spectacles that go forth and multiply, waving flags as opposed to wings in an ornate spectacle of bizarro nationalistic and quasi ethno-centric ritual, made all the more bizarre by the fact that 75% or more of them are born and bred Canadians.

Several sub species are particularly annoying, the Italo-Socada is known to honk car horns and clog up traffic when their team is victorious, and is totally oblivious to the fact that his team can only win by playing pedantic mind numbingly boring even by soccer standards strategies, along with a few "lucky" calls from the officials.

The Portu-Socada and Brasocada's undergo a metamorphisis, shedding their original colours and transmutating into the other species upon the elimination of whatever breed they were orignally apart of. These are three of the most annoying types but others are known to cause problems, like the Croat-Socada for example.

Very many have absolutely no interest in the game and won't watch again till the next time the tournament rolls around, nor would they support Canada if we were to make it again, as we don't have a high enough chance of winning and to the Socada success is more important that honourable victory or defeat. Did your team win through controvesy..."who cares!!!" Did your team cheat and dive to win...."that's all part of the game!!"

The only way to control this infestation is through the "poison of defeat" which eliminates a particular sub species for four years, than it's usually a matter of hoping a type that is less prevalent or obnoxious in Canada is the one of 32 that survive the cycle, thankfully in 2010 the final two teams were not too worrying for normal Canadian sports fans. Some other methods of control/avoidance include.... 1) avoiding large urban metro areas that seem to have large congregations, Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal are especially to be avoided, 2) broadcasting your love of other sports as much as possible during this time, the Socada has a particular dislike of Gridiron and Baseball and these two can ward off casual attacks.

I could mention more if others are interested and would also like to hear about the prevalence of this lifeform within your own countries so I may avoid them during the spawning phase of the four year cycle.

Cheers: Little Guy
 
I'd advise you go and ****e.
Don't tell anyone how to raise his kids.

Rugby has and always will be streaks ahead of football in maturing individuals and bringing the best from people.
I know plenty of decent guys who play soccer. But when you look at the makeup of the teams you see theres a very very high proportion of scobes who play. Look at a rugby team , sure you'll have people going on the pitch and knocking the **** out of one another but off the field I can speak for my team and that of any I've encountered over my many years of playing and say they are head and shoulders above the rest in terms of conduct and respect.

All you need to do is walk into any bar in Ireland and ask the publican which of the areas teams he prefers drinking there. And the answer will 9/10 be the local rugby team , hard drinkers , good banter , No Bull****.

Well...

I play rugby with my club team - and I'd say that 30-40% of them are unintelligent pricks. Many have no aspirations of achieving anything beyond where they are now, and ultimately will give people a hard time for being remotely interested in anything other than acting like a thug. They're the kind of people which every story has to end up with how they made someone bleed, got laid or took some random pills they found on the floor of a nightclub.

That said - I have mates from the uni club, and they're all well-balanced and motivated people (one of the reasons I'm switching clubs).

Similarly I play football with mates on a Sunday, most of who don't have a particularly great interest in rugby and even if they did aren't really built for the sport. Most of them are just generally good guys who play football because they enjoy kicking around a ball with mates. Most of them also play for a club team.

It makes no sense to me to make generalizations about the people who play each sport when its entirely based on what ever culture adopts it. What appeals to me about rugby is that I'm big, I can run hard and tackle hard. Someone without those attributes doesn't necessarly make them a wuss, no more than me having those attributes makes me a thug.
 
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I play rugby with my club team - and I'd say that 30-40% of them are unintelligent pricks. Many have no aspirations of achieving anything beyond where they are now, and ultimately will give people a hard time for being remotely interested in anything other than acting like a thug. They're the kind of people which every story has to end up with how they made someone bleed, got laid or took some random pills they found on the floor of a nightclub.

That said - I have mates from the uni club, and they're all well-balanced and motivated people (one of the reasons I'm switching clubs).

Similarly I play football with mates on a Sunday, most of who don't have a particularly great interest in rugby and even if they did aren't really built for the sport. Most of them are just generally good guys who play football because they enjoy kicking around a ball with mates. Most of them also play for a club team.

It makes no sense to me to make generalizations about the people who play each sport when its entirely based on what ever culture adopts it. What appeals to me about rugby is that I'm big, I can run hard and tackle hard. Someone without those attributes doesn't necessarly make them a wuss, no more than me having those attributes makes me a thug.

But these are the best stories.... :(

No playing football doesn't make someone a wuss , but over here and in the nations I've played in there's a massive difference between the carry on of both rugby players and supporters and that of football players and supporters.

And come on mate , nobody's too small to play rugby , certainly people will be too small to play pro or to play at a good standard , but the genetic lottery won't stop 99.99999% from having the capacity to play and enjoy the game at a basic enough standard.
 
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