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England vs Australia - 01/11/25

Do you think this is the first time posters have objected to a player being selected out of position?

If so, I've a bridge you might be interested in buying
No not at all.

It's a forum, people have different opinions on things, they discuss them then move on.

If we all thought the same thing it would be a tad boring.
 
Allianz Stadium, Twickenham
Referee: Nika Amashukeli (Geo)
ARs: James Doleman (NZ) & Craig Evans (Wal)
TMO: Eric Gauzins (Fra)
FPRO: Matteo Liperini (Ita)

England

15. Freddie Steward (Leicester Tigers, 38 caps)
14. Tom Roebuck (Sale Sharks, 6 caps)
13. Tommy Freeman (Northampton Saints, 20 caps)
12. Fraser Dingwall (Northampton Saints, 4 caps)
11. Immanuel Feyi-Waboso (Exeter Chiefs, 9 caps)
10. George Ford (Sale Sharks, 102 caps) – vice-captain
9. Alex Mitchell (Northampton Saints, 23 caps)

1. Fin Baxter (Harlequins, 14 caps)
2. Jamie George (Saracens, 102 caps) – vice-captain
3. Joe Heyes (Leicester Tigers, 14 caps)
4. Maro Itoje (Saracens, 93 caps) – captain
5. Ollie Chessum (Leicester Tigers, 28 caps)
6. Guy Pepper (Bath Rugby, 3 caps)
7. Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby, 42 caps)
8. Ben Earl (Saracens, 42 caps)

Replacements:
16. Luke Cowan-Dickie (Sale Sharks, 49 caps)
17. Ellis Genge (Bristol Bears, 71 caps) – vice-captain
18. Will Stuart (Bath Rugby, 50 caps)
19. Alex Coles (Northampton Saints, 10 caps)
20. Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 61 caps)
21. Henry Pollock (Northampton Saints, 1 cap)
22. Ben Spencer (Bath Rugby, 10 caps)
23. Fin Smith (Northampton Saints, 11 caps)

Australia

1. Angus Bell (45 Tests) - #940; Hunters Hill Rugby Club
2. Billy Pollard (17 Tests) - #958; Lindfield Junior Rugby
3. Taniela Tupou (65 Tests) - #917; Brothers Rugby
4. Nick Frost (34 Tests) - #953; Hornsby Lions
5. Jeremy Williams (21 Tests) – #973; Wahroonga Tigers
6. Rob Valetini (58 Tests) - #929; Harlequin Rugby Club
7. Fraser McReight (35 Tests) - #937; Albany Creek Brumbies
8. Harry Wilson (c) (32Tests) - #933; Gunnedah Red Devils

9. Jake Gordon (33 Tests) - #925; Canterbury Juniors
10. Tane Edmed (5 Tests) - #990; West Harbour Juniors
11. Harry Potter (7 Tests) - #989; Moorabbin Rams
12. Hunter Paisami (33 Tests) - #932; Harlequin Rugby Club
13. Joseph-Aukuso Suaalii (14 Tests) - #988; The Kings School
14. Max Jorgensen (17 Tests) - #984; Balmain Wolves
15. Andrew Kellaway (45 Tests) - #943; Hunters Hill Rugby Club

Substitutes
16. Josh Nasser (9 Tests) - #979; Easts Rugby (Brisbane)
17. Tom Robertson (37 Tests) - #898; Dubbo Kangaroos
18. Allan Alaalatoa (85 Tests) - #896; West Harbour Juniors
19. Lukhan Salakaia-Loto (44 Tests) – #914; Randwick
20. Nick Champion de Crespigny (3 Tests) - #991; Canberra Grammar School
21. Ryan Lonergan (2 Tests) - #933; Tuggeranong Vikings
22. Hamish Stewart (3 Tests) - #986; Toowoomba Bears
23. Filipo Daugunu (16 Tests) - #931, Wests Bulldogs
So some weakness in that Aussuie bench it seems, but who is the Aussie 10, 21, 22 and 23?

Strong starting Aussie pack but our bench could give us the edge in the second half. That's if we don't get backs injuries, or Freeman doesn't get caught out at this level in defence.
 
Steve fakkin' Walsh set the benchmark
I wonder if in the lead up England vs Wales we will again hear about 2013 or maybe at long last, 13 years after it happened, they will shut up about it. Always found it ridiculous how on TV it was constantly presented as England having this shadow hanging over them whilst more recent results where England won were kinda ignored. Going to be a bit more difficult doing that in 2026 but wouldn't be surprised if 2013 or 2015 still managed to eek in as much air time as 2025.
 
We get penalised more than most teams so about time someone else did...
Stats say otherwise,

2025 penalties England first, opposition second

Ireland 11-8
France 6-8
Scotland 10-13
Italy 14-11
Wales 9-10

Argentina 6-7
Argentina 5-12
USA 7-5

Out of 8 results England were penalised more than their opposition three times.

But, you keep banging that non existent drum.
 
Stats say otherwise,

2025 penalties England first, opposition second

Ireland 11-8
France 6-8
Scotland 10-13
Italy 14-11
Wales 9-10

Argentina 6-7
Argentina 5-12
USA 7-5

Out of 8 results England were penalised more than their opposition three times.

But, you keep banging that non existent drum.
Care to try other years?
 
The irony of accusing others of banging a drum when every single one of your posts in here is having a pop at England


Anyway: I'm surprised at how much Australia not having their prem players is getting discussed. Has the whole the rugby world been living under a rock for the past few decades? Very bizarre
 
The irony of accusing others of banging a drum when every single one of your posts in here is having a pop at England


Anyway: I'm surprised at how much Australia not having their prem players is getting discussed. Has the whole the rugby world been living under a rock for the past few decades? Very bizarre

WR has *got* to sort out the calendar and get every union on board. Ideally without coming up with, or allowing stupid ideas like an NZ v SA series over the RC or this bloody nations cup thing.
 
WR has *got* to sort out the calendar and get every union on board. Ideally without coming up with, or allowing stupid ideas like an NZ v SA series over the RC or this bloody nations cup thing.
Doesn't the nations cup at least fix this in certain years? There's a set number of matches and structure for each window it's played rather than letting the unions organise whatever they want over a few beers.

(Not that I am thrilled with the nations league but this is one potential positive)
 
Doesn't the nations cup at least fix this in certain years? There's a set number of matches and structure for each window it's played rather than letting the unions organise whatever they want over a few beers.

(Not that I am thrilled with the nations league but this is one potential positive)
Being Radical WR for a minute!!!!
Scrap the July window and create ONE international block in September and October, same time as RWC.
Make it an 8 week window, and gave a 4 year cycle.
1. RWC
2. Lions Tour and T1/T2 matches
3. Regional Championships
4. Nations Cup

Detail
2. Comps like Churchill Cup, Latin Cup could be played
3. e.g. Euro/African Champs, 10 teams, 2 groups of 5, 4 matches plus knockouts
4. Top 2 Euro/African, top American, Top Pacific, play a 'super league' home and away over 7 weeks, with a final, repeat all way down list of teams.
 
Stats say otherwise,

2025 penalties England first, opposition second

Ireland 11-8
France 6-8
Scotland 10-13
Italy 14-11
Wales 9-10

Argentina 6-7
Argentina 5-12
USA 7-5

Out of 8 results England were penalised more than their opposition three times.

But, you keep banging that non existent drum.
You need to focus on where your next batch of Saffers are coming from

Allow us to focus on England🙄.

Ps life is too short to hang on to all this hate from the days of Wallace and Bruce.
 
Unpopular opinion....im actually looking forward to the kicking battle tomorrow.

And yes they will be alot of kicking and line speed in defence to make the Aussies kick(hopfully). My hope is that Blackett has worked some shape to our attack so when we get the ball back after kicking, in the right areas of the field then we can put on some real pressure. What I dont want to see is kicking close the the line when it's not on.
 
Unpopular opinion....im actually looking forward to the kicking battle tomorrow.

And yes they will be alot of kicking and line speed in defence to make the Aussies kick(hopfully). My hope is that Blackett has worked some shape to our attack so when we get the ball back after kicking, in the right areas of the field then we can put on some real pressure. What I dont want to see is kicking close the the line when it's not on.
Did hear Ireland wanted to work on counter attack off turn over ball and kick return. As the 6 nations stats weren't great for Ireland in both.
 

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