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No point in predicting what England, Italy or France are going to be like - We don't even know who will be coaching Italy or England.

Ireland, Wales and Scotland will likely be there or thereabouts where they were last year.
 
Regardless of the set up etc...if we actually pick the right tactics and select a team round those...we would still be in the WC.

Something like:
1 Marler
2 Hartley / George
3 Cole
4 Launchbury
5 Kitchener
6 Wood / Robshaw
7 Kvesic
8 Billy V

Big solid core with several carriers, specialists skills at hooker, and 7...strong defence and strong lineout. Kitchener adds real bulk to the scrum supporting Cole and Marler and is also the lineout caller. EASY!


9 Youngs / Care
10 Ford
11 May
12 Burgess (he wasn't actually bad) or Slade
13 Joseph
14 Watson
15 Brown

Can we please do more of these and look to the future and get over the shocking world cup we had...

I would pick
Mullan
George
Cole?
Launchbury
Kruis
Itoje
Kvesic
Morgan

Simpson
Ford
Yarde
Slade
Joseph
Nowell
Watson

Subs: LCD, Vunipola, Brookes, Lawes/ Kitchener, Burgess, Robson, Tuilagi, Daly

Some of them I was unsure on and not sure there is as much experience in there as I was trying but that is more cos these players haven't been given game time
 
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Any idea why Vern Cotter doesn't seem to be on the RFU's shortlist for Lancasters replacement?
Obviously he's contracted elsewhere, but so are all the others...
 
Genuinely believe Wilson should be our tight head going forwards.
Easily the best at the set piece, and surprisingly good in the loose. Bring on Cole/Brookes late in the game when it starts breaking up, but Wilson should be there early on to turn the screw in the scrum.
We need to go back to basics - England have a good set piece. This is not true right now, and needs to change.
 
On the other hand, Dan Cole has had a pretty poor few games for England over the WC period. Other than the obvious scrummaging problems, he's harmed his reputation in the breakdown imo. Between the Wales, Fiji and Australia games, he has a total of 6 carries, 5 meters, 16 tackles. Not pretty stats for him. Maybe he hit a million rucks though. If he did, I don't remember it.

Marler was similarly poor in the stats. 5 carries, 0 meters, 16 tackles. Perspective: Vunipola made 8 carries, 16 meters and 7 tackles from the bench, playing half of the time Marler played.
 
After watching the saints game at the weekend malinder has to coach England. I'm not just saying that is a biased saints fan either.

No specialist 7.
No game plan
Runners taking the ball statically
A poor backline tactics
Rubbish in the scrum

It's just waiting to happen!!!
 
After watching the saints game at the weekend malinder has to coach England. I'm not just saying that is a biased saints fan either.

No specialist 7.
No game plan
Runners taking the ball statically
A poor backline tactics
Rubbish in the scrum

It's just waiting to happen!!!

Haha was thinking the same.
 
Sorry if I'm repeating what others have said, but been out of loop with baby being born...

AP is a problem, however no way that we could switch to a regional system. The clubs are businesses, which have had millions invested by owners.

Take away relegation as it currently stands and play season all year round with appropriate breaks for player rest and international windows/development.

Get rid of salary cap, allow significant investment by wealthy owners but with guarantees that they can cover the clubs financial commitments.

Clubs would essentially be a franchise. If a team under performs, I.e finishes bottom twice then their slot should be offered to a team/franchise outside of AP.

Maybe allow smaller teams, less resources to join together to form a competitive franchise.

AP is an awesome league, each team pretty much capable of beating each other on a any given day.

Regarding future England coaching, I think we have to accept that our game at international must be different from AP style of play.

That's where the England elite coaching set up should come in. Identifying those with skills sets, talent and potential and developing these areas during international windows.

Clubs should be compensated by RFU got players they use, this would encourage teams to develop young English players.

Re foreign player rule, adopt a limited quota, such as 2/3/4 players. They will know that if they leave AP they will have to become the very best.

If they do then they can be selected.

Schmidt being chased by RFU apparently... IRFU offered money to buy him out... Wonder if it's true!

I still think we will do ok on 6N, Scotland are a 1 off game team, always full of promise rarely fulfilled.

Ireland had possibly the easiest group and QF tie - They are still out!

Wales, well let's face it, if the kick that wasn't s kick had gone over, they'd have been out in the group stage!

No NH team played well really to be honest, all out by QF is a rubbish return!
 
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RFU have announced the panel to looking at the debacle..


The RFU has announced a panel to undertake a review of England’s performance at the Rugby World Cup.

The Panel will seek to identify recommendations and actions in a bid to enable the England senior team to be in the best possible position to compete and win at the highest level.

With the assistance of the Panel, RFU CEO Ian Ritchie will make recommendations to the RFU Board after the conclusion of the Rugby World Cup.

The panel will consist of:

Ian Ritchie, RFU CEO and Panel Chairman
Ian Metcalfe (Professional Game Board Chairman)
Ben Kay MBE â€" (former England International & World Cup Winner)
Ian Watmore (ER2015 Board member, former Permanent Secretary to the Cabinet Office, former FA CEO and former Accenture Managing Director)
Sir Ian McGeechan OBE (former British & Irish Lions and Scotland Coach)
 
Kay and Geech make sense, the rest a lot less so.
 

No ties and been around the block a few hundred times.
Ritchie should be part of the investigated, not the investigators.

I am pleasantly surprised to see Rob Andrew isn't one of the inquisition, though. Also that Ben Kay is - think this World Cup has cemented him as one of the best analysers in the game atm (or at least the best on TV), so he'll bring a good insight into coaching/playstyle issues.
 
Kay is beginning to become the rugby union equivalent of Gary Neville. Getting to a stage where you have to ask why he's not involved in any coaching set up, must be some club after him.
 
No ties and been around the block a few hundred times.
Ritchie should be part of the investigated, not the investigators.
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Ian McGeechan yes but who is the Ian Metcalfe that is quoted above?

One does wonder why Ritchie is Chair? Must be better to have the panel produce an independent report rather than one orchestrated by him.

Anyway, all will be waste of time, not made public, and outcome obvious......status quo!!
 
No ties and been around the block a few hundred times.
Ritchie should be part of the investigated, not the investigators.

Other than being one of the guys who appointed Lancaster...

One coach, one guy who's played pro rugby, three "Who are yous"... this is fantastic.
 
With nothing being decided before hand and with a balanced view taken what do we all want from this review apart from Faz senior getting his P45?
 
With nothing being decided before hand and with a balanced view taken what do we all want from this review apart from Faz senior getting his P45?

A recognition that the fault lies not entirely with Lancaster or the England coaching setup. Clubs not having players fit enough, high number of injures, woeful lack of skills in some areas. The national coach can help remedy this but the vast majority of coaching happens at club level and players who have the basic skills would not suddenly lose them as an international. The only conclusion is they don't have them at all and it is likely because clubs are systematically destroying the creativity of our youth and churning out a bunch of gym monkeys instead.

Having said that Lancaster isn't off the hook, he has consistantly chosen to not choose a breakdown specialist or to get the entire team better at the breakdown to compensate and as a result our breakdown work is on par or worse than some tier 2/3 teams. That is completely unacceptable. No other successful team plays without people who can do well in the breakdown. He is also to blame for sticking with known mediocre player and dropping potential excellence at the drop of a hat. There is an argument for retaining players through some bad patches but Lancaster got it completely the wrong way round, keeping the consistantly bad and dropping the potential talents (or not even bringing them in).
 
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