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I'm surprised so many people say that Rugby 06 is good enough to just have a few tweaks made to become Rugby 08. There are some serious issues with the game engine which a 'few tweaks' will not overcome.

I'm talking about really basic things, like the way players can change direction way too easily, so even if you run behind a defender with the ball he can still turn round and tackle you in an instant. This means that you cannot get through gaps in the defense EVER, so you have to keep spinning the ball wide again and again until your winger is free. It's so boring.

Just think of all the things which are identical to Rugby 04:
- Lineouts
- Scrums
- Rucks
- Mauls
- Tackle-breaking
- Set plays (which aren't even user controlled!)
- Attacking running lines (always keep set distance from the ball carrier)
- "Magnetic" tackling
- Kicking (takes about a month to kick the ball)
- Tap penalties

I don't understand why people are seemingly so happy with Rugby 06. After all, it is basically Rugby 04 with new graphics, and some slapdash extra features (like quick lineouts and quick taps).

In short, the Rugby series is poo.

Apologies for the essay.
 
I'm surprised so many people say that Rugby 06 is good enough to just have a few tweaks made to become Rugby 08. There are some serious issues with the game engine which a 'few tweaks' will not overcome.

I'm talking about really basic things, like the way players can change direction way too easily, so even if you run behind a defender with the ball he can still turn round and tackle you in an instant. This means that you cannot get through gaps in the defense EVER, so you have to keep spinning the ball wide again and again until your winger is free. It's so boring.

Just think of all the things which are identical to Rugby 04:
- Lineouts
- Scrums
- Rucks
- Mauls
- Tackle-breaking
- Set plays (which aren't even user controlled!)
- Attacking running lines (always keep set distance from the ball carrier)
- "Magnetic" tackling
- Kicking (takes about a month to kick the ball)
- Tap penalties

I don't understand why people are seemingly so happy with Rugby 06. After all, it is basically Rugby 04 with new graphics, and some slapdash extra features (like quick lineouts and quick taps).

In short, the Rugby series is poo.

Apologies for the essay.
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Plenty of valid points there. With regards to running rugby, the only way you get any to be fair is if you spin the ball wide as the centre of the field is just too congested to make any breaks imo. Of course if you go out wide on Elite its nearly always turn over time.
 
yeah, the way players can turn around so easily makes it harder to break defensive lines. and they way you can change direction makes it harder to tackle people, so they both kinda cancel eachother out but once again, that ain't very realistic!
whatever they bring out.. i'm still buying it!
 
I'm surprised so many people say that Rugby 06 is good enough to just have a few tweaks made to become Rugby 08. There are some serious issues with the game engine which a 'few tweaks' will not overcome.

I'm talking about really basic things, like the way players can change direction way too easily, so even if you run behind a defender with the ball he can still turn round and tackle you in an instant. This means that you cannot get through gaps in the defense EVER, so you have to keep spinning the ball wide again and again until your winger is free. It's so boring.

Just think of all the things which are identical to Rugby 04:
- Lineouts
- Scrums
- Rucks
- Mauls
- Tackle-breaking
- Set plays (which aren't even user controlled!)
- Attacking running lines (always keep set distance from the ball carrier)
- "Magnetic" tackling
- Kicking (takes about a month to kick the ball)
- Tap penalties

I don't understand why people are seemingly so happy with Rugby 06. After all, it is basically Rugby 04 with new graphics, and some slapdash extra features (like quick lineouts and quick taps).

In short, the Rugby series is poo.

Apologies for the essay.
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I agree and disagree with you - I do think that 2006 does need some fundamental changes to the gameplay, most notably the gap between the outside centre and the wing, the rediculous dive tackles but also less tangeable changes such as less predictability when playing the AI, and far tighter defences that can be broken down through great play rather than fluke or an animation glitch.

However I disagree that you can never get through gaps in the defense - I have plenty of times although I agree its the exception rather than the rule. I just want to feel that I have broken the defense down because of skill rather than just perserverance.
 
I agree with Jimmy's last point. It's a better critique of what needs sorted with the defence.

To lazy chestnut, I can only say that you must be crap at the game or have poor vision. The gaps aren't only out wide. We find them even on Elite (thats me dobrien7, GG Danny Bullen, Spawn, Andrew Horton and even my wife Amy). Not meaning to insult you, just your Rugby '06 skills. :p

Maybe the style of the game doesn't compell you to sit there for hours finding gaps and tricks like we do.
 
I agree with Jimmy's last point. It's a better critique of what needs sorted with the defence.

To lazy chestnut, I can only say that you must be crap at the game or have poor vision. The gaps aren't only out wide. We find them even on Elite (thats me dobrien7, GG Danny Bullen, Spawn, Andrew Horton and even my wife Amy). Not meaning to insult you, just your Rugby '06 skills. :p

Maybe the style of the game doesn't compell you to sit there for hours finding gaps and tricks like we do.
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I have to fully agree....and more....

JLR was tough defence against the computer and you had to play against a human before you found you're carving niche in the midfield. With R2006 you can achieve the midfield carving with both the Elite AI and a human opponent. The difference is that the computer is a bit predictable with the same old moves used on it where a human will one moment let you through....then try the same thing again and you get smashed.

Hours upon hours of persistence will have you discovering ways through the Elite AI defence. Just like real rugby training. Elite level was never designed to be pick up and play time.

I would recommend just using the computer for learning some good skills (like a simulated practice) then go play the real thing regarding a sports ***le and that is against a human opponent. R2006 against a human is as unredictable as JLR was with its multiplayer. Running behind someones back in R2006 and them not tackling you is a common occurence in multiplayer mode. Even setting the AI level to Elite when playing a person does not mean the AI in your teams defend anything near Elite AI level. There is a lot required on your behalf on defence.

The MAIN problem I think that R2006 needs fixing is their RUCK SYSTEM (lol...that sounds like a real IRB issue too!). On R2006 we were limited in all out attack options cos we often had to turn in after a half break to reset another ruck and hold possession. If they fix up the rucks so it is not so much proximity based.....then a lot of players will begin to try and stretch their attack a bit more. Of course JLR dominated in this area which was one of the main reasons that game was so successful....and fair with the tackle ball area :)
 
i wish it wud come out now!!! if i had hiros powers (from heroes) id go to the future and get me a copy!!!
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There's a reason why you spend most of your life on the internet.
 
I agree with Jimmy's last point. It's a better critique of what needs sorted with the defence.

To lazy chestnut, I can only say that you must be crap at the game or have poor vision. The gaps aren't only out wide. We find them even on Elite (thats me dobrien7, GG Danny Bullen, Spawn, Andrew Horton and even my wife Amy). Not meaning to insult you, just your Rugby '06 skills. :p

Maybe the style of the game doesn't compell you to sit there for hours finding gaps and tricks like we do.
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Well I began a World League using Bristol and in the second season I've lost one match - my first one - i.e. the first I ever played on Rugby 06 which was in a cup game against a team vastly better than mine. I don't know how that compares with how good you lot are.

Basically though, I know rugby, and I know that Rugby 06 doesn't really play like rugby. Your attacking team mates have no intelligence. Sometimes you just want them to run back inside as you drift across the defensive line and switch it, but they always move away from you. It's pretty gay if you ask me.
 
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I agree with Jimmy's last point. It's a better critique of what needs sorted with the defence.

To lazy chestnut, I can only say that you must be crap at the game or have poor vision. The gaps aren't only out wide. We find them even on Elite (thats me dobrien7, GG Danny Bullen, Spawn, Andrew Horton and even my wife Amy). Not meaning to insult you, just your Rugby '06 skills. :p

Maybe the style of the game doesn't compell you to sit there for hours finding gaps and tricks like we do.
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Well I began a World League using Bristol and in the second season I've lost one match - my first one - i.e. the first I ever played on Rugby 06 which was in a cup game against a team vastly better than mine. I don't know how that compares with how good you lot are.

Basically though, I know rugby, and I know that Rugby 06 doesn't really play like rugby. Your attacking team mates have no intelligence. Sometimes you just want them to run back inside as you drift across the defensive line and switch it, but they always move away from you. It's pretty gay if you ask me.
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Huh???? Cutting back inside is a common occurence in multiplayer attack (I heard Craig is the master of this) and it is such a pain to defend against. Like real rugby the players in support will move towards space sometimes and sometimes they don't. Like real rugby they don't IMMEDIATELY switch to your direction of running when you switch. Haven't you noticed when you move from the openside to the blindside that you have to "wait" for the blindside winger to slowly begin to run the same lines as you if you want the pass to be a bullet one. Otherwise if you pass early before he has his running lines on parallel lines as your own the pass will be generally be a lobby pass on HIS line which is usually short ball angle going straight to the side of the ruck rather than the space of the blindside.

The AI is pretty much the same old thing both attack and defence. Try multiplayer and you will find a person playing mind games with you....especially in one on one situations with wingers....VERY UNLIKE playing the computer. Then you will enter a whole new ball game.....the transition from school boy rugby to provincial.

Too much of the computer AI can actually handicap you when you play a person as what works and doesn't work against the computer does not often happen when you cross to a real human. The first thing that you normally realise is that you really can't tackle. People players dodge very much unlike the AI. The second thing you will realise is that a person pressures you a lot when you have the ball...which may or may not be a good thing once you figure out how to deal with it.

If they continue the similar principles they had with the R2006 engine and just fix up the rucks and a few other little things....then R2008 will be even more of my baby hahahahahahahaaaaaaa! The secrets of R2006 I don't think may change that much because EA probably don't even know they exist lol!
 
Cut moves rule!!! Damn I'm looking forward to playing you at the end of this year GG!!!!
 
Cut moves rule!!! Damn I'm looking forward to playing you at the end of this year GG!!!!
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Gee I'm not lol! I still struggle with the old a few passes out then cut in moves when I am drifting on D. Too busy marking flash stuff I get caught out all the time on the obvious lol!

I think there is a letter from EA on my table asking me to go over and be a tester on the final versions and that they were going to give me a copy in advance :lol:
 
That'd be awesome, but something tells me it's a little too awesome too be true, lol!
 
I'm gonna pull out R2006 again and start practicing.

Chiro I may have some free nights now....me and the woman are calming down from our passion lol!
 

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