[COVID-19] General Discussion

[Bada-Bing!]

Cheaper private Covid jabs may end up as costly as pricier ones, say experts

Exclusive: Multi-dose vials could push up charge per patient, with experts warning cost could widen inequalities

www.theguardian.com

Looks like those us who had the free jabs when we did got a bloody good deal.

 

[Deleted member 84507]

Free? Nothing is free. Your hard earned tax dollars probably paid for it.

 

[Reiser99]

Covid: Vaughan Gething told ministers he was deleting messages

First minister faces accusations he may have misled Covid inquiry over pandemic text messages.

www.bbc.co.uk

Seriously? Did any ******* politician keep their ******* messages about what they bloody did during the pandemic? I don't agree with it, but I can see that there is a very woolly argument that politicians would be afraid to say anything if they knew their messages would be read later. But how many of them have lied about it too? "Oh, I didn't delete my messages, they just disappeared from my phone by accident?" Rot starts from the top and poor work environments stem from poor leadership. Looking at the quality of our politicians it's no one the country's a ******* mess.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

‘Eat out to help out’ launched without telling official in charge, Covid inquiry hears

Simon Case, who was responsible for Covid policy at time, calls Boris Johnson’s Downing Street the ‘worst governing ever seen’

www.theguardian.com

Not a good look for Rishi just before the GE.

 

[ncurd]

‘Eat out to help out’ launched without telling official in charge, Covid inquiry hears

Simon Case, who was responsible for Covid policy at time, calls Boris Johnson’s Downing Street the ‘worst governing ever seen’

www.theguardian.com

Not a good look for Rishi just before the GE.

This was known?

 

[Bada-Bing!]

This was known?

Yes, known before just saying timing wise just before GE as a headline.

 

[Which Tyler]

Tory health reforms left UK open to Covid calamity, says top doctor’s report

Britain’s pandemic response was among the worst and the NHS had been ‘seriously weakened’, says leading surgeon

www.theguardian.com

 

[The Seeker]

I got the Novavax Covid-19 vaccine yesterday. It's the fifth shot I've had since the epidemic broke out.

Novavax's COVID-19 Vaccine: Your Questions Answered

The Novavax vaccine is one of three vaccines to be authorized in the United States for the prevention of COVID-19. Yale Medicine experts answer commonly asked questions about the vaccine.

www.yalemedicine.org

 

[Which Tyler]

What has the UK Covid inquiry learned so far about vaccines and treatments?

In fourth part of the inquiry, questons were asked about vaccine trials, procurement and the UK’s preparedness for future pandemics

www.theguardian.com

 

[Sour Patch Kid]

What has the UK Covid inquiry learned so far about vaccines and treatments?

In fourth part of the inquiry, questons were asked about vaccine trials, procurement and the UK’s preparedness for future pandemics

www.theguardian.com

From the article "In the first nine months, the shots prevented more than 23m infections and 123,000 deaths in the UK" And they know this how? You can never know how many of anything you have prevented. How many concussions have been reduced by changes in head contact rules in rugby? How many crimes are prevented by police? There is no way to be sure. All these are is guesstimations and don't forget that many studies are funded by the same people with a vested interest in the outcome being a certain way.

 

[Which Tyler]

Yes dear

 

[Reiser99]

What has the UK Covid inquiry learned so far about vaccines and treatments?

In fourth part of the inquiry, questons were asked about vaccine trials, procurement and the UK’s preparedness for future pandemics

www.theguardian.com

Isn't it that the government basically gambled on the vaccine working and it did?

 

[Sour Patch Kid]

Sorry if I offended you, just pointing out fallacies in an article you posted, and I thought wanted us to read.

 

[Sour Patch Kid]

Isn't it that the government basically gambled on the vaccine working and it did?

But the question is, Did it really work? Outside of the vulnerable populations did it make a difference? I know of multiple people that had more than one shot and still got COVID multiple times with symptoms that were the same as a common cold. Measles vaccines stop people from getting measles but this? Hard to say that it worked when people were getting still getting shot after shot and still getting COVID.

Or is the bigger and more cynical takeaway that politicians pushed questionable science (social distancing/masks/washing your groceries) and a rushed shot which at least in the US, don't know about the UK, made them tons of money and can't admit that they were wrong now or that they mislead people?

 

[Which Tyler]

Nah - takes more than ignorance to offend me

 

[Sour Patch Kid]

Nah - takes more than ignorance to offend me

How is it ignorant to point out a counter argument and bring it up?

 

[BrokenWing]

Measles doesn't mutate, making it infinitely easier to develop an effective vaccine.

Who's to say that the people who caught Covid and had cold symptoms wouldn't have been worse without the vaccine?

 

[Sour Patch Kid]

Measles doesn't mutate, making it infinitely easier to develop an effective vaccine.

Who's to say that the people who caught Covid and had cold symptoms wouldn't have been worse without the vaccine?

Fair enough about the measles and the non-mutation I will agree with you there.

Your point about the symptoms is exactly my point. There is absolutely no way to know whether people would or wouldn't have gotten COVID nor is it possible to know what their symptoms would have been like if they did or did not get the shot. I never had the shot, got COVID twice and basically had a cold. A co-worker of mine couldn't get enough shots, got COVID three times and was dog sick each time.

I'm just saying that it is not possible to know with any certainty what the effectiveness was or if it was effective in any quantifiable way. It is all conjecture being sold as fact.

 

[ncurd]

Do you have degree and done the actual statistical research in this?

No? Okay shut up the experts who know what they are talking about are speaking.

 

[Reiser99]

Fair enough about the measles and the non-mutation I will agree with you there.

Your point about the symptoms is exactly my point. There is absolutely no way to know whether people would or wouldn't have gotten COVID nor is it possible to know what their symptoms would have been like if they did or did not get the shot. I never had the shot, got COVID twice and basically had a cold. A co-worker of mine couldn't get enough shots, got COVID three times and was dog sick each time.

I'm just saying that it is not possible to know with any certainty what the effectiveness was or if it was effective in any quantifiable way. It is all conjecture being sold as fact.

I'll bite. Yes, you can't know 100% the exact numbers. However, by that logic almost every set of statistics is flawed. These statistics work because even if they are not 100%, they still give an accurate picture of the situation. Simple fact is that we need the data and we ignore the tiny margin of error because statistically it is irrelevant.