[COVID-19] General Discussion

[ncurd]

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

 

[Reiser99]

There certainly is a point when someone's opinion and point of view isn't as valid as someone else's.

 

[McTallshort]

As if people working in hospitals haven't got enough on their plate without having to deal with these attention seeking idiots

 

[Fuzzy du Plessis]

 

[Kiwiwomble]

i dont think i would have taken them, if it legally binding (its not) then he would have had to get the bailiffs or court rep in to force acceptance or something....and then been laughed out of the courtroom

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Nothing quite says legal authority like handing over a bunch of envelopes whilst wearing trackies...

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Should note I went to a couple of live shows last week (and the cinema). We were asked to show our vaccination/test status at each through the NHS app, however there were still the following issues.

• Despite each place asking for masks to be worn, few people inside did, there was zero enforcement apart from some holding of signs.
• One place let us in despite my wife not bringing up her status on the app in time.
• Nobody scanned the QR code for verification, would be pretty easy to take screenshot and change names/dates.
• The cinema didn't check anything (actually been to four different ones since this began all with the same attitude).

Thankfully we didn't catch anything but it was obvious to anyone thinking our risk was high.

Covid: Are people wearing masks less often?

The number of people wearing masks has fallen, but ministers don't want to reintroduce restrictions.

www.bbc.co.uk

Yeh pretty much chimes with my experience. If they don't mandate mask wearing together with getting a move on with boosters and vaccinating 12-17 year olds we're gonna have a pretty bleak winter.

And the knock on effect on other patient services, clearing the backlog from previous 18m and flu on top of that.

Just reading Germany's daily case rates are under 20,000. And their population is 83 million compared to our 66.7m

COVID-19 cases | WHO COVID-19 dashboard

The latest data for coronavirus (COVID-19) cases from the WHO COVID-19 dashboard.

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to give some perspective of how bad our 52,000 daily cases as of yesterday compared.

But this Government just wants to wait and see and JRM's comments yesterday that there is no need to wear masks in the commons on the Tory side because he knows his colleagues, just sums up the politicisation of mask wearing and ignorance of this Government.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Covid: Are people wearing masks less often?

The number of people wearing masks has fallen, but ministers don't want to reintroduce restrictions.

www.bbc.co.uk

Yeh pretty much chimes with my experience. If they don't mandate mask wearing together with getting a move on with boosters and vaccinating 12-17 year olds we're gonna have a pretty bleak winter.

And the knock on effect on other patient services, clearing the backlog from previous 18m and flu on top of that.

Just reading Germany's daily case rates are under 20,000. And their population is 83 million compared to our 66.7m

COVID-19 cases | WHO COVID-19 dashboard

The latest data for coronavirus (COVID-19) cases from the WHO COVID-19 dashboard.

covid19.who.int

to give some perspective of how bad our 52,000 daily cases as of yesterday compared.

But this Government just wants to wait and see and JRM's comments yesterday that there is no need to wear masks in the commons on the Tory side because he knows his colleagues, just sums up the politicisation of mask wearing and ignorance of this Government.

On that bottom bit, the masks in the commons are a ******* pantomime. Next to 0 at either party conference says it all

 

[ncurd]

On that bottom bit, the masks in the commons are a ******* pantomime. Next to 0 at either party conference says it all

The Labour party conference finished 3 weeks ago, its in past few days medical professionals have said that we need to move onto stricter mask enforcement and other measures. Whilst there is an element of pantomime to it, its unfair to anyone to ask why they weren't doing it in the past when there was not this loud of call from medical professionals. It doesn't say it all just says 3 weeks ago the situation is different to what it is now. The situation will be different in 3 weeks times as well the infection rate and measure needed to combat it are not static things.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

The Labour party conference finished 3 weeks ago, its in past few days medical professionals have said that we need to move onto stricter mask enforcement and other measures. Whilst there is an element of pantomime to it, its unfair to anyone to ask why they weren't doing it in the past when there was not this loud of call from medical professionals. It doesn't say it all just says 3 weeks ago the situation is different to what it is now. The situation will be different in 3 weeks times as well the infection rate and measure needed to combat it are not static things.

They were still wearing them in the commons and making a big thing out of it all then but I take your point.

Makes it look disingenuous regardless imo

 

[ncurd]

They were still wearing them in the commons and making a big thing out of it all then but I take your point.

Makes it look disingenuous regardless imo

Wasn't parliament in recess during the conferences?

I'll be honest I watch very little of it these days, mainly because I've lost all hope of the government giving an honest answer to anything. I know previous government told lies from the dispatch box but I never got the impression they were just making up whatever **** came into their heads at that particular moment.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Wasn't parliament in recess during the conferences?

I'll be honest I watch very little of it these days, mainly because I've lost all hope of the government giving an honest answer to anything. I know previous government told lies from the dispatch box but I never got the impression they were just making up whatever **** came into their heads at that particular moment.

Labour have never not worn them in the commons as far as I remember.

Unless they're gonna try and claim that that was the one solitary 10 days when there was no reason for masks, it's still disingenuous af.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Nothing quite says legal authority like handing over a bunch of envelopes whilst wearing trackies...

To be fair, I'm over a year into my legal career and am yet to wear a suit!

This Freeman of the land BS crops up every big crisis, was a big thing to try to get out of debt here during the market crash. It's very dumb.

 

[ncurd]

To be fair, I'm over a year into my legal career and am yet to wear a suit!

This Freeman of the land BS crops up every big crisis, was a big thing to try to get out of debt here during the market crash. It's very dumb.

Its incredibly entertaining though, more stories from courts when someone tries it on and the smackdown by judges.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

To be fair, I'm over a year into my legal career and am yet to wear a suit!

This Freeman of the land BS crops up every big crisis, was a big thing to try to get out of debt here during the market crash. It's very dumb.

I do like it when they say the courts have no power over them, only to be quickly proven wrong as they are dragged away.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Britain must control Covid now – or face a winter lockdown | Devi Sridhar

The infection rate is surging. We need to adopt plan B, on masks and vaccine certification, says global public health professor Devi Sridhar

www.theguardian.com

Covid: Home working likely to be best way to curb virus - scientists

Tougher measures to stop the spread of coronavirus could be avoided with early action, advisers say.

www.bbc.co.uk

Greater calls to introduce restrictions but will this Government listen?

 

[McTallshort]

Don't get why we don't wear masks now. Really don't know who the government is trying to impress here

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Don't get why we don't wear masks now. Really don't know who the government is trying to impress here

It needs to be part of a multi layered approach to control infection and transmission:

1. Vaccination/boosters. We may need to consider vaccination of 11-5 year olds after 12-17 year olds.
2. Social distance again.
3. Ventilation in buildings (10 litres of fresh air per second per person) and making workplaces accountable.
4. Test/trace/isolate and financial support.
5. Use of the vaccine passports to get into venues to prove vaccination status/proof of negative test (if won't or can't get vaccinated and step below mandation).
6. Mandatory masks in schools, workplaces indoor settings (more outdoor al fresco eating) (surgical/FFP2 grade) and wearing them properly/education needed here both public campaign and in schools. Not around the below nose/mouth which I often see those who wear them.
7. Work from home where it can still be done.

This government just thinks it can vaccinate itself out of this pandemic but it's their whole approach which is wrong. We can still lead a normal life and avoid yet another lockdown.

 

[The Seeker]

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