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The rate at which cases increase is important. If by next week we are seeing 3000 translate to 6000 and so on then we need to worry. They need to take action right now to stop that and not just wait for that to happen though.

Combo of more people being fully vaccinated and spending more time outdoors will hopefully slow rates as we reach summer and we won't see a third wave.

But People returning to offices though and how they manage that with not everyone receiving their first dose. My work office in London is open but hardly anyone is atm and now they are looking to bring back peeps post 21 June on a hybrid basis.

Schools have been open for a while now but no sky rocket in cases there and they haven't yet been vaccinated yet.
 
www.bbc.com

Passengers refused boarding amid testing confusion - BBC News

Travellers with Ryanair and EasyJet were told they could not fly because they had taken the wrong PCR test.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

She says she, and about 30 other passengers, were not allowed to board the plane because they had the wrong type of negative Covid-19 test result.
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This is becoming a big problem. It appears that for the UK international travel you need a PCR test, which is privately completed (funny that) and is expensive.

It's confusing too. So for entering England you do not need a negative test or need to quarantine when travelling within the Common Travel Area

Travel to England from another country – COVID-19 rules

Check if there are any COVID-19 rules in place for travel to England from abroad.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

But for arriving into Northern Ireland from within the Common Travel Area you need to either quarantine unless exempt, and if exempt you need to book pre and post Lateral Flow tests.

Coronavirus (COVID-19): travel advice

If you are travelling abroad, keep up-to-date with the latest advice for the country you plan travelling to and with the requirements for your return.
www.nidirect.gov.uk www.nidirect.gov.uk

So my friend who is looking to fly to Gibraltar, which is on the Green List, needs to pay close to £200 for two PCR tests (pre departure each way), whereas I can travel to England and back, which has more cases, and can get free NHS tests.
 
The LFTs are free to receive and test yourself with. Just pop along to local pharmacy or order online. But they are only around 80% accurate and yes need a paid for PCR test to confirm if test positive.

But yes, the travel restrictions don't make sense. Unfortunately it is the way so as not to discriminate against those not vaccinated yet and not yet using the vaccine passport.

If it were up to me I would put all the amber countries on red list and just have red and green and start allowing those who have been fully vaccinated (but I can say that as received both) to travel to the green countries and common travel area without needing to quarantine.

I did read NI now open to 18 and over to be vaccinated.
 
The_Blindside said:
The rate at which cases increase is important. If by next week we are seeing 3000 translate to 6000 and so on then we need to worry. They need to take action right now to stop that and not just wait for that to happen though.

Combo of more people being fully vaccinated and spending more time outdoors will hopefully slow rates as we reach summer and we won't see a third wave.

But People returning to offices though and how they manage that with not everyone receiving their first dose. My work office in London is open but hardly anyone is atm and now they are looking to bring back peeps post 21 June on a hybrid basis.

Schools have been open for a while now but no sky rocket in cases there and they haven't yet been vaccinated yet.
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A seven day doubling rate would be terrible news (where's my bleach and needle?). 11 days ago I saw a model that said that a 10 day rate would mean we'd be back to mid January rates by mid 19th June!

My local news was blaming schools for an area of Devon being above the national average. The lockdown had done a decent job of supressing the virus and B.1.617.2 wasn't a thing when kids went back to school. I'd give it two or three weeks of R>1 and B1.617.2 when they go back from half term to assess the difference it's made personally. Then about 3 weeks on that to see what impact the kids infecting parents and grandparents has.
Akker Van Der Tigs said:

Henry Slade exclusive: Why I won't have Covid vaccine and my devastation at Lions snub

www.telegraph.co.uk

What is it with Exeter
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Exeter Chiefs in being terrible shocker! It's sad that a club with so much going for it is rotten to the core. Will be interesting to see if Chiefs distance themselves from this statement, but historically they have a record of closing ranks and doubling down on things like this.

Funny that he comes out with this and says that he's still hoping for a late callup to the Lions on the same day that they announced the team had been vaccinated. The way the article's written, it comes across that he thinks that being tested to see if he's got covid is protecting him from getting covid! Not a great advert for Exeter University, I think they gave him a BSc, although we are talking about the same place that gave Katie Hopkins a degree!
 
RedruthRFC said:
A seven day doubling rate would be terrible news (where's my bleach and needle?). 11 days ago I saw a model that said that a 10 day rate would mean we'd be back to mid January rates by mid 19th June!

My local news was blaming schools for an area of Devon being above the national average. The lockdown had done a decent job of supressing the virus and B.1.617.2 wasn't a thing when kids went back to school. I'd give it two or three weeks of R>1 and B1.617.2 when they go back from half term to assess the difference it's made personally. Then about 3 weeks on that to see what impact the kids infecting parents and grandparents has.
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That's it and that the B.1.617.2 variant will find those who haven't been vaccinated yet.

This is from the bbc news feed and the Unions calling for more data on infection rates in schools: 3D1904D5-138D-4306-A8BE-FDF629998CF7.jpeg
 
Ironic that the kids in the photo that the BBC have picked shows all kids wearing masks! I really can't understand the government's reluctance to accept that this is an airborne virus and to act accordingly, maybe it's their reluctance to be too dictatorial. To me, the people meant to be getting us through this should be giving clear guidance regarding air quality. It tells a story that we have no clear guidance regarding face masks, while in Germany, N95 masks have been mandated since mid January.
 

Variants: distribution of case data, 27 May 2021

www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

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B1.617 has doubled in a week.
Shit!

In better news though: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-b-1-617-2-variant-after-2-doses
  • the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was 88% effective against symptomatic disease from the B.1.617.2 variant 2 weeks after the second dose, compared to 93% effectiveness against the B.1.1.7 variant
  • 2 doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine were 60% effective against symptomatic disease from the B.1.617.2 variant compared to 66% effectiveness against the B.1.1.7 variant
  • both vaccines were 33% effective against symptomatic disease from B.1.617.2, 3 weeks after the first dose compared to around 50% effectiveness against the B.1.1.7 variant

  • n=1054
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Looks like Pfizer is the one to get, from that

Anyone get offered the choice/what's the craic with that? When you go in the room do they say which do you want, or is it a case of you get what they've got on hand unless you've requested in advance or something?

The NHS site just says:
"For people under 40 without other health conditions, it's currently advised that it's preferable to have another COVID-19 vaccine instead of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine."
 
Had mine Wednesday and it was Pfizer. Didn't have a choice. Armed really ached the first 24 hours, but that was about it.

Interestingly there was a old boy there for his 1st jab and the steward checking appointments asked him why he was only just getting his first jab and he said he told them earlier he wanted to wait until spring. 19th May is basically summer...Insane that he probably should have had in February/March time, possibly earlier and he's only just getting it.
 
TRF_Olyy said:
Looks like Pfizer is the one to get, from that

Anyone get offered the choice/what's the craic with that? When you go in the room do they say which do you want, or is it a case of you get what they've got on hand unless you've requested in advance or something?

The NHS site just says:
"For people under 40 without other health conditions, it's currently advised that it's preferable to have another COVID-19 vaccine instead of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine."
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There is a data lag on AZ vaccine, as Pfizer was used first and also takes the longer for antibodies to build up compared to Pfizer. In the Real world they are saying they will likely end up the same against B1617.2.

I am guessing in your age group they will
Assign you one depending on where you go for your jab. Or you can check beforehand the centre you are having it and ensure you get the Pfizer one and you can then book.

I didn't have choice either back in Feb and then same second one in April. All still good apart from the stories on blood clots.
 
The_Blindside said:
Assign you one depending on where you go for your jab. Or you can check beforehand the centre you are having it and ensure you get the Pfizer one and you can then book.
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Good shout,
I just googled where I'm having mine done and their facebook page says they're doing Pfizer only this weekend, so that makes sense why I had nowhere closer to book this weekend, and why I've had to go elsewhere for my 2nd jab (they said this is their only dedicated weekend)
 
Our local vaccine center says you are getting 'x' today as a big sign and that's it.
 
Which Tyler said:
In better news though: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-b-1-617-2-variant-after-2-doses
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Is that good news? If AZ is only 60% effective against B.1.617.2, could we reach herd immunity even if we managed to vaccinate 100% of the population vaccinated? Obviously the answer isn't black and white given the split in vaccines in the UK and the immunity that out there naturally given the number of people we've allowed to be infected, but given the inverse proportionality between efficacy and threshold population, that figure seems worryingly low.

What is good news is the Janssen vaccine being approved for UK use. Assuming it works to an acceptable level, the logistical benefits to a one dose vaccine are obvious.
TRF_Olyy said:
Good shout,
I just googled where I'm having mine done and their facebook page says they're doing Pfizer only this weekend, so that makes sense why I had nowhere closer to book this weekend, and why I've had to go elsewhere for my 2nd jab (they said this is their only dedicated weekend)
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I have no inside knowledge, but based on common sense and first hand experience, this is how I assume it works. It wouldn't be feasible to offer a choice because once a batch of Pfizer (lots of doses) has been opened, it has a finite shelf life. Plus, if you offered people the choice, you'd run out of Pfizer and be left with loads of AZ!
Reiser99 said:
Interestingly there was a old boy there for his 1st jab and the steward checking appointments asked him why he was only just getting his first jab and he said he told them earlier he wanted to wait until spring. 19th May is basically summer...Insane that he probably should have had in February/March time, possibly earlier and he's only just getting it.
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More fool him IMO. I don't think it's reasonable to expect the NHS' booking systems to be adapted to accommodate people's preferences when those preferences fly in the face of best medical advice. My guess is that the real story here is that he was being vaccinated because the vaccination centre had spare capacity so were chasing people who had turned down the original offer of a vaccine.
 
RedruthRFC said:
I have no inside knowledge, but based on common sense and first hand experience, this is how I assume it works. It wouldn't be feasible to offer a choice because once a batch of Pfizer (lots of doses) has been opened, it has a finite shelf life. Plus, if you offered people the choice, you'd run out of Pfizer and be left with loads of AZ!
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Aye, that's what I was thinking as well - but I just remember the messaging of "Under 40s will be offered a choice/an alternative", but there's no more details beyond that that I can find on the official site
 

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