[COVID-19] General Discussion

[Bada-Bing!]

I understood the The UK variant came from Kent. That was the reason why infection rates started climbing in September last year under the stupid tier system and Bojo and co just watched the infection rate rise and spread.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I have to say seeing variants called after countries for me personally is a dangerous thing, and giving even more leaders a cop out over bad management.
"It's not our fault the SA variant is so bad" etc

It's like how everyone was blaming china before even trying to come up with domestic plans.

 

[Which Tyler]

Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine is delayed by a U.S. factory mixup. (Published 2021)

A manufacturer in Baltimore accidentally conflated the ingredients for two different coronavirus shots, officials say.

www.nytimes.com

Johnson & Johnson's vaccine is delayed by a U.S. factory mixup.

Workers at a plant in Baltimore manufacturing two coronavirus vaccines accidentally conflated the ingredients several weeks ago, contaminating up to 15 million doses of Johnson & Johnson's vaccine and forcing regulators to delay authorization of the plant's production lines.

The plant is run by Emergent BioSolutions, a manufacturing partner to both Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca, the British-Swedish company whose vaccine has yet to be authorized for use in the United States. Federal officials attributed the mistake to human error.

"However idiot proof you can make things, nature will provide a bigger idiot"

 

[Which Tyler]

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/01/almost-third-of-uk-covid-hospital-patients-readmitted-within-four-months

Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

BMJ analysis of 48,000 records also finds one in eight patients die within four months of discharge.

Nearly a third of people who have been in hospital suffering from Covid-19 are readmitted for further treatment within four months of being discharged, and one in eight of patients dies in the same period, doctors have found.

The striking long-term impact of the disease has prompted doctors to call for ongoing tests and monitoring of former coronavirus patients to detect early signs of organ damage and other complications caused by the virus.

While Covid is widely known to cause serious respiratory problems, the virus can also infect and damage other organs such as the heart, liver and kidneys.

Post-covid syndrome in individuals admitted to hospital with covid-19: retrospective cohort study

Objective To quantify rates of organ specific dysfunction in individuals with covid-19 after discharge from hospital compared with a matched control group from the general population. Design Retrospective cohort study. Setting NHS hospitals in England. Participants 47 780 individuals (mean...

www.bmj.com

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine is delayed by a U.S. factory mixup. (Published 2021)

A manufacturer in Baltimore accidentally conflated the ingredients for two different coronavirus shots, officials say.

www.nytimes.com

"However idiot proof you can make things, nature will provide a bigger idiot"

Wow,
I get that mistakes can be made etc. but an error that big in such a serious environment feels like it borders on criminal negligence

 

[Bada-Bing!]

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/01/almost-third-of-uk-covid-hospital-patients-readmitted-within-four-months

Post-covid syndrome in individuals admitted to hospital with covid-19: retrospective cohort study

Objective To quantify rates of organ specific dysfunction in individuals with covid-19 after discharge from hospital compared with a matched control group from the general population. Design Retrospective cohort study. Setting NHS hospitals in England. Participants 47 780 individuals (mean...

www.bmj.com

And also:

Fewer than a quarter with Covid symptoms request test, UK study finds

Survey also reveals only half of Britons who develop signs of virus fully self-isolate

www.theguardian.com

 

[The Seeker]

COVID Was the Third-Leading Cause of Death in the U.S. in 2020, CDC Says

Only heart disease and cancer caused more deaths than COVID-19 in the United States last year

www.yahoo.com

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Every customer must sign in when pubs reopen

New rules to help venues reopen outdoors safely this month have sparked anger from industry groups.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[RedruthRFC]

Every customer must sign in when pubs reopen

New rules to help venues reopen outdoors safely this month have sparked anger from industry groups.

www.bbc.co.uk

Strange headline to pick, this is hardly a great hardship. The fact that "proof of immunity" is still on the table with no decision made 10 days out is a far bigger story. Bigger still is that scanning the QR code / app is still an acceptable way to check in given its total failure last time around (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/04/covid-app-flaws-meant-pubs-broke-privacy-rules/) with no apparent assurances of it actually working this time.

 

[ncurd]

Vaccine passports in my mind are wrong regardless. Placing restrictions on people yet to be offered one is even worse. So much for all in it together.

 

[Gavin]

Vaccine passports in my mind are wrong regardless. Placing restrictions on people yet to be offered one is even worse. So much for all in it together.

Exactly my thinking. I'm not scheduled to even be offered a first dose of the vaccine until June, then consider the 12 week period until the second dose is offered outs me to September maybe..

Compare that to the older / vulnerable people who get their two doses quickly. They can go back to having their awful cheap pints in Wetherspoons with their breakfast.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

As long as you keep your card showing you had one with your ID. I've already scanned along with my driver's license onto my notes app on my phone.

My card showing I had my first one with my driver's license and ready to scan my second card.

If not yet vaccinated then some form of up to negative date test (Reference entered into NHS app). I think is the most fair way to get peeps to back into venues this summer. But as we have seen not all peeps who have had it have or will have one even if they have had symptoms.

Some kind of vaccine/negative test passport is needed to start travelling, plus test on return/quarantine if positive when returning. It's gonna happen until a high enough proportion of everyone else is vaccinated.

 

[Which Tyler]

I've not problem with vaccine passports per-se - but only once everyone's been offered a vaccine.

Beyond that, there is a place for doing what you can - But things like "2 negative tests within 10 days, latest within 48 hours" should also count

 

[McTallshort]

I've not problem with vaccine passports per-se - but only once everyone's been offered a vaccine.

Beyond that, there is a place for doing what you can - But things like "2 negative tests within 10 days, latest within 48 hours" should also count

I work between a couple of sites and one has covid tests for all visitors. So twice a week I have to take a very easy, very quick covid test. It's supposed to take 15 minutes but normally takes less time than that. I don't see how these can't be used somehow for things such as concerts, sports events, restaurants etc.

On the subject of covid passports: back in the day when we could go abroad on our jollies, certain destinations required you to have certain inoculations before you travelled there. I can see most countries wanting something similar now for covid. Yes it's not fair on people who cannot have the jab but a possible test on leaving and arriving might be an option?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Yeah, I've no issue with the covid passport either - though (as mentioned above) hopefully only after every adult has been offered the shot

 

[ncurd]

Should say the abroad thing is fine it's an inevitable part of international travel until its under control.

But yeah sorry how am I supposed to have a test before I pre-plan doing anything in this country? I work from home pretty much all the time and getting a test done takes days not hours due to lack of access.

Most in mynage bracket and lower accepted we were back of the line due to risk reasons. Now we're being told everyone else can will be allowed go out and socialise but have to stay living restricted lives. They talk about younger generations being selfish then suggest this.

As to others it's pretty much a civil liberties problem where even though they are morons people do have the right to not have the vaccine. They shouldn't have their lives ueavilly restricted anymore than anyone else for their stupidity.

 

[Which Tyler]

I work between a couple of sites and one has covid tests for all visitors. So twice a week I have to take a very easy, very quick covid test. It's supposed to take 15 minutes but normally takes less time than that. I don't see how these can't be used somehow for things such as concerts, sports events, restaurants etc.

On the subject of covid passports: back in the day when we could go abroad on our jollies, certain destinations required you to have certain inoculations before you travelled there. I can see most countries wanting something similar now for covid. Yes it's not fair on people who cannot have the jab but a possible test on leaving and arriving might be an option?

I'd personally want 2 tests, as they're not particularly reliable - but then, if it's a "doing what you can" I wouldn't want to make the ideal the enemy of the possible.

And yes, exactly. Nationally, you have to have HepB or HPV to travel to various countries - I've no issue at all on adding Covid to that list, or adding the UK to it.
As for individual venues - once everyone's had the option (and acknowledging those with medical reasons not to) - then noone has the automatic right to attend a concert or sports match etc - you have to wear a shirt, buy a ticket, not carry more than 330ml of liquid etc . I'd have no problem with having had a vaccine (or negative LFT) to the list of requirements - it's the inequality of requiring a vaccine before some people have the option that is wrong.

Places like pubs are a bit different as they're more spur-of-the-moment - but it shouldn't be beyond the wit of man to arrange that pubs / restaurants can provide a LFT on the door

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Nah can't agree with not restricting non vaxxers civil liberties. They have the right not to have it. The rest have the right bit to be held up by them. They want to get back to normal then get a jab.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Nah can't agree with not restricting non vaxxers civil liberties. They have the right not to have it. The rest have the right bit to be held up by them. They want to get back to normal then get a jab.

Definitely agree there, they have the right to not get the vaccine, they have no right to put more responsible people in danger.

I'm pretty happy for vaccine passports to come in but only once everyone has had the opportunity to get their jabs, until then venues will just have to be socially distant but probably less and less restrictive measures at different periods throughout the rollout as cases and risk of transmission lower.

 

[Which Tyler]

Nah can't agree with not restricting non vaxxers civil liberties. They have the right not to have it. The rest have the right bit to be held up by them. They want to get back to normal then get a jab.

I do agree here - once everyone has had the choice.
But there does need to be a work-around for those who medically can't be vaccinated - which a vaccine passport could allow for easily enough.