[COVID-19] General Discussion

[TRF_Olyy]

Just classic lockdown tactics from the Tories,
Start lockdown too late, when cases are already too high and are still massively rising - come out of lockdown when cases are back down to about what they were when we went in, rather than where we want them/where they should be

Definitely feeling this lockdown more than the previous ones, but mid-Feb feels too soon - whilst cases are declining they're not really declining at any real rate anymore, there was a big initial drop (60k to 40k in about two weeks) but after that it's sort of levelled off a bit (37, 38, 33, 38, 37, 40, 35 over the last week)
We were at 27k a day at the Christmas U-Turn

Half term is 3rd week of Feb (15-19th) - add two weeks on to that to make sure it didn't cause a surge, and then see what the numbers are like then

 

[Reiser99]

Good news sadly I've seen reports of Johnson wanted to open things back up mid-Feb which sounds great to some extent as I'm having a bad day in terms of dealing with being lockdown but it feels like taking our foot off the gas and setting ourselves up to fail....for a 4th time.

If we open back up by mid feb we'll be locked down again by mid march. Without a decent test and trace system (let alone world-beating) we are reliant on vaccinations and we will still be doing the most vulnerable at that point and even then most without second jabs.

 

[Which Tyler]

Just classic lockdown tactics from the Tories,
Start lockdown too late, when cases are already too high and are still massively rising - come out of lockdown when cases are back down to about what they were when we went in, rather than where we want them/where they should be

Definitely feeling this lockdown more than the previous ones, but mid-Feb feels too soon - whilst cases are declining they're not really declining at any real rate anymore, there was a big initial drop (60k to 40k in about two weeks) but after that it's sort of levelled off a bit (37, 38, 33, 38, 37, 40, 35 over the last week)
We were at 27k a day at the Christmas U-Turn

Half term is 3rd week of Feb (15-19th) - add two weeks on to that to make sure it didn't cause a surge, and then see what the numbers are like then

Yes, it's way too early to be talking about opening up again just yet; but the figures...
I always find it better to look at the smoothed figure of the rolling 7-day


FTR, in July, we bottomed out at around 550 a day. Tough to say when we came out of lockdown as it was so graduated over June/July; but we were still down below 1,000 a day. I'm not sure on the testing numbers back then.
No way we should be talking about easing lockdown until cases drop below 10,000 a day. At that point, we can start talking about easing in 2-3 weeks IMO. We're probably 4-5 weeks away from that point.

 

[Reiser99]

I always find it better to look at the smoothed figure of the rolling 7-day

The smoothed figure with sharp pointy bits.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

'Wealth increase of 10 men during pandemic could buy vaccines for all'

Billionaires' wealth has soared while the pandemic has plunged millions into poverty, Oxfam says.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[The Seeker]

I just saw on the news that the state of Texas leads in Covid-19 vaccinations here in America. That really surprised me considering it's a red state and a lot of Republicans there believed Trump when he said the coronavirus wasn't anything to be concerned about. I guess they're finally waking up to the truth in the Lone Star state. Yeehaw!

 

[McTallshort]

'Wealth increase of 10 men during pandemic could buy vaccines for all'

Billionaires' wealth has soared while the pandemic has plunged millions into poverty, Oxfam says.

www.bbc.co.uk

yeah won't happen though will it?

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Thérèse Coffey's Zoom walkout leaves even Piers Morgan lost for words

Minister blames death total on ageing population and obesity crisis before abruptly ending ITV call

www.theguardian.com

Not a fan of Piers Morgan but this is funny.

 

[ncurd]

Not a fan of Piers Morgan but this is funny.

He spoke ill of Liz Hurley looking amazing at 55....

 

[Which Tyler]

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[ncurd]

100,000

 

[ncurd]

Should also add most deaths per million, in the world.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Very sad milestone.

 

[Which Tyler]

Looking at Wiki, 100,000 is more than the (UK) civilian casualties from all wars of the 20th century

 

[Reiser99]

At yet we still have Tory MPs trying to spin it as not their fault. I know Johnson says he takes the blame, but for me that is just a token apology to try and look like he's saying the right thing. If he truly felt remorse he would resign and let someone more competent take over. Or he would have invited labour to join a covid task force etc... There are so many things he could have done other than play politics, but that is actually what most of the decisions have been based on. What will have the least impact on our political fortunes in 4 years time and it has been a complete **** up.

 

[Which Tyler]

Boris is sorry, and accepts responsibility - just not consequences.

"The government did everything it could" - if by "everything" you mean "locked down too late, mixed our messaging, contradicted ourselves, demonstrated that the rules don't apply, still haven't closed the borders, and were more interested in handing contracts for things like T&T and PPE to friends than anyone demonstrating competence"

 

[The Seeker]

Very sad milestone.

I agree, very sad indeed.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Covid deaths: Why is the UK's death toll so bad?

As the number of people who died reaches six figures, the factors that led to this terrible total.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Why has Britain suffered more than 100,000 Covid deaths?

Analysis: there are a string of reasons that have contributed to that extraordinary number

www.theguardian.com

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Propaganda machine in full force this morning,

Who cares about 100k dead when Boris is so so sowwy and so so sad