Clubs threaten to play during World Cup

[Feicarsinn]

http://www.espn.co.uk/2015-rugby-world-cup/rugby/story/238737.html

PRL truly are a massive bunch of **** stains. Instead of realizing that holding the RWC in England can only be massively to their benefit they instead decide they want to throw their toys out of the pram. Prats.

You only need to look at how the domestic game in France has gone from strength to strength since 2007 to see that they're being incredibly short sighted. While I'm not saying that the success of the Top 14 in recent years is solely down to France holding the 07 WC, I'd find it hard to be convinced that it hasn't helped.

 

[munstermuffin]

http://www.espn.co.uk/2015-rugby-world-cup/rugby/story/238737.html

PRL truly are a massive bunch of **** stains. Instead of realizing that holding the RWC in England can only be massively to their benefit they instead decide they want to throw their toys out of the pram. Prats.

You only need to look at how the domestic game in France has gone from strength to strength since 2007 to see that they're being incredibly short sighted. While I'm not saying that the success of the Top 14 in recent years is solely down to France holding the 07 WC, I'd find it hard to be convinced that it hasn't helped.

Are you really surprised? Same crowd that destroyed HEC and said "we can make bigger money" yet they screwed it up thus far off the pitch and needed ERC to clean up their mess

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I think it makes a lot of sense.
The PRL is completely separate from international rugby, and international rugby is stopping it from running it's business for two months. Why wouldn't they want compensation?

I don't think they should get it, as the (presumed) increase in ticket sales will make up for the loss in income early doors, but I can see where they're coming from.

 

[Gavin]

Why not just start the league after the World Cup and then it will continue further past May, same with the Champions Cup? That would mean that in the summer following the World Cup there would be no Summer tours, unless really wanted.

 

[ratsapprentice]

What happened in France in 07?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

What happened in France in 07?

They started after the world cup and cut out the rest weekends like in the 6N.

 

[Feicarsinn]

Started the week after the World Cup ended.

 

[Amiga500]

I think it makes a lot of sense.

I assume you were on the drink when you posted this.


Does the RWC mean the PRL play X less matches per year?

If not, then where does the shortfall in cash come from?



Oh, and I simply cannot let this pass by without comment:
http://www.espn.co.uk/2015-rugby-world-cup/rugby/story/238737.html

"The RFU are in a pretty embarrassing position because nobody in any other business would sign a binding contract without having spoken to the other people."

My question to Nigel Wray is; explain the debacle of the PRL/BT contract for European games then you slimy bstart.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I assume you were on the drink when you posted this.


Does the RWC mean the PRL play X less matches per year?

If not, then where does the shortfall in cash come from?

Because to be able to follow the Top 14's lead and play during the rest weekends would mean you'd have to cancel the entirety of the LV= Cup, which is played during those weekends.

 

[Feicarsinn]

Because to be able to follow the Top 14's lead and play during the rest weekends would mean you'd have to cancel the entirety of the LV= Cup, which is played during those weekends.

Would they though? The Top 14 has an extra four rounds than the Premiership. The could probably follow a similar schedule to what the Top 14 ran while keeping the 6N rest weekends.

 

[Patchey]

I agree they should get compensation but this looks like a very very clumsy attempt to force the RFU's hand because PLR can't be bothered to sit through negotiations.

End of the day, they won't play during the World Cup and the more they sabre rattle for no reason the less friendly towards the clubs the RFU will feel. Pretty irresponsible stuff from PLR in my opinion.

 

[Tony Manx]

Whilst seriously disliking the likes of Wray (in particular, with and his ambition to turn Saracens into the Harlem Globetrotters with no thought to the club's supporters), no business can afford to forgo £1.2m of revenue for two months whilst continuing to have to pay all the outgoings. Even if the games postponed could be played at a later date, at the cost of the income from other games it would appear, there is a cash flow problem that someone has to meet.

Cannot believe that the RFU did not sort this out before bidding and that this problem is only now coming out into the open. But, there again, I should not really be surprised!!

As for those of my Irish friends who think it stinks......bear in mind that your IRFU finances your teams whereas the PRL clubs are separate business entities and the owners, like the French clubs, could not really give twopence halfpenny for the RFU as they have a lot of money invested in their clubs.

 

[psychic duck]

They started after the world cup and cut out the rest weekends like in the 6N.

... and with the late finish as a results played a bunch of reserves on a 2 match June tour to Australia that included 12 debutants. Top 14 final happened the same day on June 28 as one of the matches.

This time the tournaments starts a further 2 weeks later, England have a 3 match tour of Australia, Australia can't move towards July as Super Rugby is played there now. There may be a shortened season, not everyone playing each other twice, or a jam packed season with several midweek games.

This has all happened in actual fact because thanks to the SH trying to get more compensation.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Would they though? The Top 14 has an extra four rounds than the Premiership. The could probably follow a similar schedule to what the Top 14 ran while keeping the 6N rest weekends.

The LV= is 6 rounds though (4 pool, 2 knockout - you have to count the knockouts because 8/4/2 sides will be unavailable for Aviva action those weekends) - where can you find an extra 6 weeks, mid season, in a season starting almost two months late?
As Duck says, you can't push the season end too far back because of the tour to Australia over the summer.

 

[Amiga500]

Because to be able to follow the Top 14's lead and play during the rest weekends would mean you'd have to cancel the entirety of the LV= Cup, which is played during those weekends.

When is the last time a 1st 15 was played in the LV Cup? Playing it midweek would not greatly affect the clubs, as they mostly play youngsters anyway and fans, as virtually none turn up either.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

That's so stupid.
What about during the internationals? You have all your internationals missing, you have your 2nd choice players playing in the premiership that weekend (who would normally be the LV= side) and then......fans from the crowd playing in the LV= on a Wednesday night?
Also you've got the 'A' premiership running sporadically during the season, so that takes up a lot of academy and 2nd stringers.

 

[Amiga500]

That's so stupid.
What about during the internationals? You have all your internationals missing, you have your 2nd choice players playing in the premiership that weekend (who would normally be the LV= side) and then......fans from the crowd playing in the LV= on a Wednesday night?
Also you've got the 'A' premiership running sporadically during the season, so that takes up a lot of academy and 2nd stringers.

Given that you've just admitted the importance (or lack of) of the LV Cup, throwing out the weaker academy players in the LV while retaining the stronger ones + 2nds for international window premiership games wouldn't bother the clubs too much.

The "A" premiership is of little consequence and can be run mid-week during non-international windows.



But anyway, back to the main issue here - where exactly do the clubs lose £6m in revenue streams? In moving the LV cup games to midweek? If cashflow is an issue, perhaps an RFU loan would be appropriate, but in no way should the RFU just hand over a load of money as direct compo.
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[TRF_Olyy]

Given that you've just admitted the importance (or lack of) of the LV Cup, throwing out the weaker academy players in the LV while retaining the stronger ones + 2nds for international window premiership games wouldn't bother the clubs too much.

The "A" premiership is of little consequence and can be run mid-week during non-international windows.
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The A league already is.

and every man and his dog knows the LV= is a joke, doesn't mean the clubs don't get money from sponsors for the extra exposure, from tv channels, from ticket sales.
The prize fund for the LV= winner is more then the Heineken cup winner - clubs don't want to dick it around because it's a very handy source of income.

 

[munstermuffin]

The LV Cup revenue to Welsh is very important. Also it's very good for generating funds if you do well and go far. And let's not be mistaken it is a step up from A games

 

[TRF_Cymro]