Clermont v Munster

[Fushitsusha]

I guess sarcasm can be lost through the internet.....

Stephen Moore is hardly the laughing stock of the Australian scrum... he can't be blamed for the inadequacies around him... and the Australian scrum is hardly a laughing stock anymore... it's not the best in the world, and it's nowhere near being the worst either... it's just average on the world scale, and that's hardly a laughing stock... but I guess some people still like to hold onto distant memories to put us down...

Stephen Moore is an excellent hooker... has a near-perfect throwing accuracy, is quite a good scrummager, and puts in a lot of work around the field...

Actually, legendary All Blacks hooker Sean Fitzpatrick just recently called him 'The best hooker in the world'... I don't agree with that... but he's up there with the names you just mentioned...

In fact, he completely outplayed Dimitri Szarsewski in their last encounter...

And I did read what you wrote properly -

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Dec 8 2008, 10:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Except Matt Giteau ( what was the ranking of the WF last year in s14 again ?), not any australian would make the starting XV at FH in Clermont, let alone Munster or Toulouse .[/b]

It just wasn't written properly... but I'm not going to hold it against you because obviously English is your second language...

 

[Maccaweeny]

I still want to hear the back-flip logic behind the notion that Tolouse wouldn't touch Berrick or Quade yet apparently have a massive hard on for the bloke who, according to the French excuse machine a few weeks back, due to his **** play was the sole reason their team lost.

 

[elgringoborracho]

so sick of this ozzie arrogance...

What do you think of Brock James :

" James is the obvious first choice at 10 for a team that just beat the best team in Europe and finished second of the top 14 last year, so yeah, right, he would play in a 4th division team in Australia. "

Why is that?

"Because we've got Stirling Mortlock"

...

Quite hard to answer to that

 

[Fushitsusha]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (elgringoborracho @ Dec 11 2008, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

so sick of this ozzie arrogance...

What do you think of Brock James :

" James is the obvious first choice at 10 for a team that just beat the best team in Europe and finished second of the top 14 last year, so yeah, right, he would play in a 4th division team in Australia. "

Why is that?

"Because we've got Stirling Mortlock"

...

Quite hard to answer to that[/b]

Ummmm.... what? :lol:

 

[Charles]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Maccaweeny @ Dec 11 2008, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I still want to hear the back-flip logic behind the notion that Tolouse wouldn't touch Berrick or Quade yet apparently have a massive hard on for the bloke who, according to the French excuse machine a few weeks back, due to his **** play was the sole reason their team lost.[/b]

See that's the thing . Apparently here states for 'made up to fit my argument'. Can you please post any reference to this "massive hard on" you're talking about ?

I'll pass on the french excuse machine thing... <_<

 

[MunsterMan]

And seeing as Skrela is not first choice at Tououse, I don't get your argument <_<

 

[Maccaweeny]

Yes it fits my argument quite nicely doesn't it, the thing is it isn't made up, Toulouse have signed a 3 year contract with Skrela.

click

So yeah the very bloke you guys blamed for your test defeat a few weeks back is now signed to play for a team who, according to you, would not touch wallabies like Quade & Berrick.

For such a rugby aficionado , you sure are behind the times buddy old pal.

Edit: Munsterman, so you're telling me he will never feature in the starting lineup? come off it mate.

 

[Charles]

Okay, maybe it's the water you drink or something but the sense in your posts is growing thinner...He signed a 3 years contract to end his carrier in his birthplace and home club (his father was the coach before Noves). He will mainly be a back up to Michalak at 10 and Jauzion at 12.
That's not really what I call a hard on, but again you seem to be a specialist of commenting stuff you don't know the first thing about so I'm not surprised...

 

[Maccaweeny]

Ah okay so they signed him not based on his skill just because he's a utility and some bullshit about his father, yet by your logic they still wouldn't touch two players from the third ranked team in the world?

Oh yeah I forgot I know nothing, maybe if i start adopting circular logic backed up by broad over-arching statements that certain clubs would jump at the opportunity of signing an Australian who couldn't make a starting XV back home yet apparently would not touch two wallabies. Maybe then I could fulfill your standards of rugby knowledge.

 

[Charles]

Yeah, whatever mate...post again when you have something sensible to say okay ...You're getting carried away there.

Facts is B James is a very good fly half when playing at Clermont. Maybe the headless chicken razzle dazzle style you have down there doesn't suit him.

 

[Fushitsusha]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Dec 11 2008, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Yeah, whatever mate...post again when you have something sensible to say okay ...You're getting carried away there.

Facts is B James is a very good fly half when playing at Clermont. Maybe the headless chicken razzle dazzle style you have down there doesn't suit him.[/b]

Headless chicken razzle dazzle?

 

[Charles]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fushitsusha @ Dec 11 2008, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Dec 11 2008, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yeah, whatever mate...post again when you have something sensible to say okay ...You're getting carried away there.

Facts is B James is a very good fly half when playing at Clermont. Maybe the headless chicken razzle dazzle style you have down there doesn't suit him.[/b]

Headless chicken razzle dazzle?

[/b][/quote]

Well yes of course. We in the NH play boring kickfest/10 man rugby, and you play headless chicken razzle dazzle, with no gameplan whatsoever except run, bash, run, bash.

That's a commonly known fact, really.

 

[Maccaweeny]

You made a sweeping statement that you can't back up, avoiding my argument on the (moot) basis that it doesn't suit your lofty sensibilities (i.e chicken razzle dazzle).

If saying that an international cap like Quade Cooper; who has caught the attention of both the ARU and NZRU- would likely find a place in the HEC if he moved is unreasonable, then hell I guess I must be drinking some funny water.

I won't hold you back though, make some other conceited remark about how i'm not being sensible because I don't adopt your defunct logic and we'll be done with it.

 

[Charles]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Maccaweeny @ Dec 11 2008, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

You made a sweeping statement that you can't back up, avoiding my argument on the (moot) basis that it doesn't suit your lofty sensibilities (i.e chicken razzle dazzle).

If saying that an international cap like Quade Cooper; who has caught the attention of both the ARU and NZRU- would likely find a place in the HEC if he moved is unreasonable, then hell I guess I must be drinking some funny water.

I won't hold you back though, make some other conceited remark about how i'm not being sensible because I don't adopt your defunct logic and we'll be done with it.[/b]

You're too funny. I make statement I don't back up ?

You 're constantly makin up stuff that I allegedly said.
I said Clermont nor Munster nor Toulouse would hire Quade Cooper or Kurtley Beale. The HEC is not only 3 teams unless you don't know.

Then you came up with this irrelevant Mortlock ****, then the Skrela ****, then anything you could find. Fact is that there's no way you can prove that Quade Cooper would be effective in the more tactical NH rugby.

 

[MunsterMan]

Clermont, Munster and Toulouse not hiring them and them not getting into the Clermont, Toulouse or Munster first XVs are two different things, which are we talking about here?

 

[Maccaweeny]

No, you're too funny, I never once mentioned Mortlock, don't know wtf you're on about.

You did say that Quade wouldn't find a place in the three HEC teams you mentioned (If you feel it necessary i specify them each post I will, it saves you having to later split hairs) despite the fact that the very player that was blamed for France's test loss due to ***** play HAS started for them. It's extremely relevant insofar as it illustrates that if a maligned international like Skrela can find a place in a starting team, then it is likely that a promising prospect like Cooper may well do also- if you think that's irrelevant ****, that's your prerogative not mine.

Of course I can't make such a statement with a great deal of certainty, but that's exactly my point. You made a broad and generalised statement saying that none of the Australian fly halfs barring Giteau would find a place in the teams you mentioned, all i'm out to prove is that your assessment of things is highly unlikely, and just as I can't make statements of fact neither can you. Thing is i'm not out to prove that Cooper would definitely find a place, just that saying he definitely wouldn't is unwise. Just as it is in a court room, the onus of proof isn't on me, it's on you. I'm not the one pretending to state facts.

 

[Sir Speedy]

Uh... I still stand by my statement about James.
Making bigoted assumptions abouts his chances of getting into a Super 14 side won't really change my view on him.

 

[elgringoborracho]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Maccaweeny @ Dec 11 2008, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

No, you're too funny, I never once mentioned Mortlock, don't know wtf you're on about.

You did say that Quade wouldn't find a place in the three HEC teams you mentioned (If you feel it necessary i specify them each post I will, it saves you having to later split hairs) despite the fact that the very player that was blamed for France's test loss due to ***** play HAS started for them. It's extremely relevant insofar as it illustrates that if a maligned international like Skrela can find a place in a starting team, then it is likely that a promising prospect like Cooper may well do also- if you think that's irrelevant ****, that's your prerogative not mine.

Of course I can't make such a statement with a great deal of certainty, but that's exactly my point. You made a broad and generalised statement saying that none of the Australian fly halfs barring Giteau would find a place in the teams you mentioned, all i'm out to prove is that your assessment of things is highly unlikely, and just as I can't make statements of fact neither can you. Thing is i'm not out to prove that Cooper would definitely find a place, just that saying he definitely wouldn't is unwise. Just as it is in a court room, the onus of proof isn't on me, it's on you. I'm not the one pretending to state facts.[/b]

The thing is : if you had followed at least a bit the thing you are putting down _ ie European rugby _ then you would know that Skrela is having a bloody good season with Toulouse this year. You would also know that otherwise he would never start in a team like Toulouse. You would probably also know that Toulouse have the money to buy any Aussie player if they really felt that they need one.
Anyway, you base all your argument on Skrela's very poor game against Australia, which is 90% responsible for our loss, (although if you had read the french posts in the thread dedicated to this subject, you would notice that all the french don't actually blame exclusively Skrela for the loss, some even thinking he had a pretty good game). Then, based on one game, probably one of the few you watched with Skrela playing inyour whole life, you built this extremely simple minded argument, adding to it the arrogance of explaining it a dozen times, asif no-one was smart enough to understand it.

Your initial goal being to prove that another player _ Brock James_ would never have the level to play in another hemisphere _ the southern hemisphere. You got lost a while ago.

 

[Stillknox]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Maccaweeny @ Dec 11 2008, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

No, you're too funny, I never once mentioned Mortlock, don't know wtf you're on about.

You did say that Quade wouldn't find a place in the three HEC teams you mentioned (If you feel it necessary i specify them each post I will, it saves you having to later split hairs) despite the fact that the very player that was blamed for France's test loss due to ***** play HAS started for them. It's extremely relevant insofar as it illustrates that if a maligned international like Skrela can find a place in a starting team, then it is likely that a promising prospect like Cooper may well do also- if you think that's irrelevant ****, that's your prerogative not mine.

Of course I can't make such a statement with a great deal of certainty, but that's exactly my point. You made a broad and generalised statement saying that none of the Australian fly halfs barring Giteau would find a place in the teams you mentioned, all i'm out to prove is that your assessment of things is highly unlikely, and just as I can't make statements of fact neither can you. Thing is i'm not out to prove that Cooper would definitely find a place, just that saying he definitely wouldn't is unwise. Just as it is in a court room, the onus of proof isn't on me, it's on you. I'm not the one pretending to state facts.[/b]

I can show you some example of great Super 14 players who are/were very useless in Top 14 like Jerry Collins, Hendjack, Matfield or Montgomery last year. Others like Kelleher are magnificient. And some players who never had a major impact in Super 14 like Brock James, Shaun Sowerby, Orene Ai'i, Delasau etc are among the best players in Top 14/HEC, that's a fact. I'm sure the Guiness Premiership/Magners League watchers can show you others example.

So I don't think you can be certain of that. And even if you're right, that's not making him a poor player, maybe that's just he suits more the european style of play. Whatever, if he has success where he is, that's a good thing for him and for us, no need to debate on this for hours, we already know that he will never compete for a place in the Wallabies Squad.

 

[gingergenius]

Let's put an end to this, it's getting stupid.

To suggest that a guy who's 27 and has maybe 1 season of great club form is better than Cooper and Barnes is ridiculous; they're both young, and have cut it at International level. I know nothing about Beale but tbh that's irrelevant. Brock James is a good fly half, but not world class... with the exception of Evans and now Carter, all the world class 10s play in the Super 14.

Bringing Skrela into it.. he's ****. Always has been, I've never understood why he gets picked for good teams. He bottles on his kicking game, misses tackles... he's like the French Hodgson. On that point the only French 10 I really rate is Beauxis; why isn't he playing more often?