British and Irish Lions Tour: Referee Chat

[Nubiwan]

My moan from the first test. First of all - Lions were comprehensively beaten. Still thought the reffing decisions favoured the Abs, and several thing I noted that were just not called.

ABs players who block or discreetly interfere with the kick chase. Whether from a kick off or box. ABs players alter angles to make chasers have to run about them. When a team kicks a bounty like the Lions, then the refs need to be "coached" to look for this. Ref Saturday just never looked for it.

I thought the ABs pulled down a couple of Lions rolling mauls from line outs. I'd have to have a better 2nd look in my defence. The first time this pen was awarded, was in the 75th minutes, and it was against the Lions.

Lazy runner - there was a clear Lions lazy runner offence in the first half (think it might have been AWJones). The ref actually missed it, but got a call, and went back to it. In the 2nd period on a rare Lions flourish, an ABs lazy runner was clearly offside and went to intercept the pass on an overlap. The Lions either knocked on or got themselves penalized at the ensuing break down. Lost possession. Why not give him the call and go back to the blatant lazy runnner?

Offside at ruck. This law just ticks me off because you could call it 30 times in a match and grind the game to a halt. When the ref does call it, and offers an easy 3 points, or a quick tap try in front of the posts, then sorry, you need to be more consistent.

Now, someone pass me back my sodding rattle

 

[smartcooky]

ABs players who block or discreetly interfere with the kick chase.

Both teams did this frequently and got away with it.

I thought the ABs pulled down a couple of Lions rolling mauls from line outs.

Law Definitions -
Binding: Grasping firmly another player's body between the shoulders and the hips with
the whole arm in contact from hand to shoulder.

Both teams sacked the lineout before the maul was formed (Peyper called this when it happened "sack was good"). This happens when the opponents grasp the ball carrier below the hips and brings him to ground. No maul is formed because a bind can only take place between the shoulders and the hips... no bind = no maul

Both teams dropped formed mauls, sometimes they were penalised, and some time they got away with it.

Lazy runner - there was a clear Lions lazy runner offence in the first half (think it might have been AWJones). The ref actually missed it, but got a call, and went back to it. In the 2nd period on a rare Lions flourish, an ABs lazy runner was clearly offside and went to intercept the pass on an overlap. The Lions either knocked on or got themselves penalized at the ensuing break down. Lost possession. Why not give him the call and go back to the blatant lazy runnner?

Maybe he (I presume you mean the French AR) didn't see it.

Maybe it was a "tackle only" situation; if so, then lazy runners are not offside since there is no offside at the tackle.

Offside at ruck. This law just ticks me off because you could call it 30 times in a match and grind the game to a halt. When the ref does call it, and offers an easy 3 points, or a quick tap try in front of the posts, then sorry, you need to be more consistent.

Both teams were consistently offside at ruck time but while the AB's came up with a way to negate the Lions offside defence, Lions were unable to come up with their own plan to do so

Most of the offside calls came from the French ARs, so you can't blame Peyper for those (much as you might want to) .

Now, someone pass me back my sodding rattle

Will a pair of maracas do?

 

[Which Tyler]

I can't believe the last post in here was 23 hours ago!

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Shoulder charging, jumping and swinging (arms), oh my

 

[Skylinerd1]

We need a petition to WR to change the player in the air tackle after this game.

/Ends thread

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

SBW - fine with decision

Yellow for Mako - should have been red, possibly caused by technical issues with TMO making Garces take the decision before the most incriminating angle against Mako came up on the screen. So for me, fine.

Late hit on Barrett - looked very weak to me, even though I want late hits stamped out. Not much force behind it at all. Disagree.

Jumping into tackle - unfortunate and borderline as the defender is committed to the tackle at about the same time as the attacker gets airborne. But this will be a super rare situation, nobody is going to train to jump into tackles as:

i) you can't pass when airborne
ii) you can't change direction when airborne
iii) you are leaving your body horribly exposed to contact (both in air and on landing)
iv) you'll have less momentum when you land.
v) you'll be upright when your feet touch the ground leaving you open to the choke tackle or at the very least, unable to offload.

I do think free kicks are horribly underused in rugby and think they'd be suitable for offences where there is clearly zero malice, it is an unfortunate set of circumstances and the safety of the player was not endangered unduly (in this case, the attacker wasn't taken beyond the horizontal).

 

[ncurd]

This is far from the most controversial incident due to tackle in the air laws nobody was YC'd or RC'd for it. Its also one where I have little sympathy for the tackler. AB's 18 committed to the tackle well before the Lions player had received the ball that runs a risk. Your also not going to see players suddenly jumping to catch balls the accuracy required to not kill momentum and not lead to many many knocks ons won't outweight the benefits. At worst players will wait until the opposing player had received the ball before committing to tackles. Its a nothing incident and not worth getting worked up over.

If this had been one of those incidents where a player had been sent off or sin binned I'd be inclined to get a little more worked up about it.

 

[Skylinerd1]

This is far from the most controversial incident due to tackle in the air laws nobody was YC'd or RC'd for it. Its also one where I have little sympathy for the tackler. AB's 18 committed to the tackle well before the Lions player had received the ball that runs a risk. Your also not going to see players suddenly jumping to catch balls the accuracy required to not kill momentum and not lead to many many knocks ons won't outweight the benefits. At worst players will wait until the opposing player had received the ball before committing to tackles. Its a nothing incident and not worth getting worked up over.

If this had been one of those incidents where a player had been sent off or sin binned I'd be inclined to get a little more worked up about it.

SC has debunked this in the other thread it was like three frames of video. Its physically impossible to pull out of that tackle. + the fact that it was Faumiuna trying to pull out the universe would of had to of reversed for him to stop that tackle.


I look forward to when if the laws are left as they are the AB's pull this out in the next test or against England. Read knows whats up. They are well within there rights to exploit this law (underarm as it maybe imo).

The laws an ass.

 

[Skylinerd1]

No mention of the Naholo swingin arm. That should be a dead set citing and ban.​

 

[ncurd]

SC has debunked this in the other thread it was like three frames of video. Its physically impossible to pull out of that tackle. + the fact that it was Faumiuna trying to pull out the universe would of had to of reversed for him to stop that tackle.


I look forward to when if the laws are left as they are the AB's pull this out in the next test or against England. Read knows whats up. They are well within there rights to exploit this law (underarm as it maybe imo).

The laws an ass.

How SC debunk it ? I said he committed to the tackle before the player received the ball nothing SC said stops that being a fact....infact it proves it.

 

[valley commando]

What a difference when we get a proper ref

 

[Skylinerd1]

What a difference when we get a proper ref

https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/536843218065974145/

Notice the cock going the other way? Pretty much sums up how French refs handle a game of rugby ass over *** backwards compared to every other reff.

 

[ncurd]

https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/536843218065974145/

Notice the cock going the other way? Pretty much sums up how French refs handle a game of rugby ass over *** backwards compared to every other reff.

Umm that link has nothing useful in it...

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Did you just google "Cute french cock"....?

 

[Groundhog]

Did you just google "Cute french cock"....?

We have found 20785425384562 results for French cock.Missing term: cute

 

[g6mcg]

Didn't hear it during the game but apparently Peyper was arguing against a red for SBW, anyone know why?

Agree the laws around tackles in the air is slightly ridiculous but as a Scot it's nice to be on the right side of them for once! Think a rule about kicking vs passing could work but I'd also like a change so that if someone jumps into a static player the static player isn't deemed to be at fault (they've not created the risk).

 

[saulan]

Didn't hear it during the game but apparently Peyper was arguing against a red for SBW, anyone know why?

Agree the laws around tackles in the air is slightly ridiculous but as a Scot it's nice to be on the right side of them for once! Think a rule about kicking vs passing could work but I'd also like a change so that if someone jumps into a static player the static player isn't deemed to be at fault (they've not created the risk).

He didn't really. He was the only one of the assistant referees that was agreeing and nodding that it should be a red card, then after that he asked Garces if he wanted to take the slipping into account, Garces said yea but it was to the face and that was it.

 

[smartcooky]

Jumping into tackle - unfortunate and borderline as the defender is committed to the tackle at about the same time as the attacker gets airborne. But this will be a super rare situation, nobody is going to train to jump into tackles as:

i) you can't pass when airborne
ii) you can't change direction when airborne
iii) you are leaving your body horribly exposed to contact (both in air and on landing)
iv) you'll have less momentum when you land.
v) you'll be upright when your feet touch the ground leaving you open to the choke tackle or at the very least, unable to offload.

79th minute, we're down by 2 points and clearing from a ruck just to the left of the posts and 20m out from our opponent's goal line. Would I have a pre-planned move for the SH to pass high so that the 10 has to jump to catch the pass? You bet I would, especially now!

 

[Groundhog]

Didn't see much of a slip anyway. Watson was in the process of being tackled, but was on his two feet. He's a pretty short guy and SBW just flew in needlessly to make a big hit. SBW seems like a great dedicated athlete and a stand up guy, but that was idiotic Rugby League style posturing.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Can't see the lions players getting cited.

I mean it was no different to what Sam Cane did on Jonathon Davies last weekend.
https://twitter.com/mike_cantillon/status/879710203901607936