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Test Match 1: All Blacks v British & Irish Lions (Auckland)

According to Stephen Jones in today's Sunday Times he scored ABs players a total of 105 and Lions players 102. I don't know what he was smoking. He really hates the ABs.

That website is notorious for **** poor ratings. A while back they rated Wales as 1 point less than the ABs, they have never rated England higher than Wales and generally will rate Wales higher than everyone except the ABs. Considering the amount of times Wales has lost the games these ratings were done for, you'd think they would have learned to rein it in a bit...
 
Sometimes when we get gobby kiwi's ranting on rugby forums, i can't help but feel they are venting their spleen over reading the bile that pours out of the mouth and keyboard of a vile hideous creature like Stephen maggot breath Jones.
What a hideous vile creature.
Truthfully there are times when the AB's are worthy of a hard judgement, as with any teams, nor should they be constantly praised and applauded by sycophantic authors.
Stephen Jones has a personal one idiot crusade against the AB's, he has mental issues that cretin.

Chris Rattue is a disgrace to our flag.
He is a traitor to the good natured fair play loving regular Kiwi person.
Bind hm to Stephen Jones and sink them both as great white bait off the shores of Dunedin, and watch the big carnivorous fish turn up their nose at the hateful smelling dinner.
I think I have found my all time favourite post on The Rugby Forum.
 
The Stephen Jones show don't stop
"And above all, there is New Zealand's motivation. It is more than sporting, way more. It's not so much Ireland that bugs them, even though the Irish crushed them in Chicago. It's the old country, you see — Britain and especially England. It's their problem, their dark secret. They hate the idea of the mother country ever getting one over on them on the field, the rugby field, that is. They are mediocre at most other major sports.

And yet, is there something more going on? Is it all a veil to hide an abiding love? The Kiwis are madder on the royal family than the maddest royalist at home. They are obsessed with England, the English, and what appears in London papers. They recently voted to retain the Union flag on their own flag, bless them. They will be voting to bring the empire back next."
 
The Stephen Jones show don't stop
"And above all, there is New Zealand's motivation. It is more than sporting, way more. It's not so much Ireland that bugs them, even though the Irish crushed them in Chicago. It's the old country, you see — Britain and especially England. It's their problem, their dark secret. They hate the idea of the mother country ever getting one over on them on the field, the rugby field, that is. They are mediocre at most other major sports.

And yet, is there something more going on? Is it all a veil to hide an abiding love? The Kiwis are madder on the royal family than the maddest royalist at home. They are obsessed with England, the English, and what appears in London papers. They recently voted to retain the Union flag on their own flag, bless them. They will be voting to bring the empire back next."

What a poisonous sh1 t stirring tosser.
 
The Stephen Jones show don't stop
"And above all, there is New Zealand's motivation. It is more than sporting, way more. It's not so much Ireland that bugs them, even though the Irish crushed them in Chicago. It's the old country, you see — Britain and especially England. It's their problem, their dark secret. They hate the idea of the mother country ever getting one over on them on the field, the rugby field, that is. They are mediocre at most other major sports.

And yet, is there something more going on? Is it all a veil to hide an abiding love? The Kiwis are madder on the royal family than the maddest royalist at home. They are obsessed with England, the English, and what appears in London papers. They recently voted to retain the Union flag on their own flag, bless them. They will be voting to bring the empire back next."

Thankfully I don't share your view and I very much doubt whether most Brits would either.
 
wow awesome performance from the ABs tight 5. i thought codieTaylor seagulled for a bit but the rest of the tight5 worked hard and owned the contact areas.
i'm not a moody fan...until now. moody was at more rucks than the ref i reckon. outstanding.
franks was a defensive beast but more importantly in combo with moody they were securing ABs ball and controlling the rucks.
whitelock may have topped the tackle count but some one should also count the rucks and mauls he secured/won. amazing.
retallick played like the amazing dynamic workhorse he is but whitelock achieved just as much critical plays and might possibly shade retallick for rux/mauls secured.
i feel comfortable going forward that whatever game plan the ABs come up with next , our tight5 are gonna make it happen.
 
wow Stephen Jones actually said that?

interesting there is another major sporting event going on in the world right now, and NZ is doing quite well :D
 
...have we finally found the way to quash any NH v SH arguments?...our common ground....everyone just start ranting about what a tosser Stephen Jones is!...said something you regret once you've calmed down....just blame stephen jones!


seriously thought, someone out there must be lapping this stuff up for him to be able to get it printed, sad really.

and to clarify, more than happy to just swap "Stephen Jones" for "Chris Rattue" et al in the above post, **** stirrers one and all
 
The Stephen Jones show don't stop
"And above all, there is New Zealand's motivation. It is more than sporting, way more. It's not so much Ireland that bugs them, even though the Irish crushed them in Chicago. It's the old country, you see — Britain and especially England. It's their problem, their dark secret. They hate the idea of the mother country ever getting one over on them on the field, the rugby field, that is. They are mediocre at most other major sports.

And yet, is there something more going on? Is it all a veil to hide an abiding love? The Kiwis are madder on the royal family than the maddest royalist at home. They are obsessed with England, the English, and what appears in London papers. They recently voted to retain the Union flag on their own flag, bless them. They will be voting to bring the empire back next."

This guy is more full of horseshit than a racing stable!
 
wow Stephen Jones actually said that?

interesting there is another major sporting event going on in the world right now, and NZ is doing quite well :D

Don't talk about that until its a done deal Larksea... you know what happened last time!!!

(PS: If we DO win it, I'm not sure whether winning it will make me as happy as seeing that arrogant, supercilious smirk wiped off Jimmy Spithill's ugly mug!!)
 
The Stephen Jones show don't stop
"And above all, there is New Zealand's motivation. It is more than sporting, way more. It's not so much Ireland that bugs them, even though the Irish crushed them in Chicago. It's the old country, you see — Britain and especially England. It's their problem, their dark secret. They hate the idea of the mother country ever getting one over on them on the field, the rugby field, that is. They are mediocre at most other major sports.

The mother country has rarely offered much contest. There was 2003 when we had the worst AB coach in living memory. Now the home nations have Kiwi coaches they are more efficient and effective as opponents, England have an Aussie who is canny and he is gearing Englands vast resources and coalescing them into a better outcome but the harsh truth is this...
Young NZ fans tend to see Aussie as the main enemy, I'm not sure why, for me and my age range Aussie are 'Johnny Come Lately' and outside of the Eales period they are easy beats, just ask Scotland.
In my age group the 'auld enemy' is, and will always be, the Japies.
There is no team I would rather see beaten by the AB's than South Africa.
There is no victory that gives me greater pleasure than the Bokke getting it in the neck, from the AB's, particularly on their own soil.
However beating them anywhere is a special occasion.
Look at 2015, the RWC. We mowed down every team we faced but if you look at the semi-final, the Bokke gave us the hardest game of the tournament. It was close.
There was fierce pride at stake, it's always about more than a Cup or a shield when we play the Japies, it's pride, it's honour and it's history.
South Africa is a truly great rugby nation and they will come back from the hole they have been in, and when they do they will be the most fierce competition to the AB's once again.

And yet, is there something more going on? Is it all a veil to hide an abiding love? The Kiwis are madder on the royal family than the maddest royalist at home. They are obsessed with England, the English, and what appears in London papers. They recently voted to retain the Union flag on their own flag, bless them. They will be voting to bring the empire back next."

I'm glad, as most Kiwis are, that we kept the flag the same. Nothing to do with loving Britain though, sorry mate.
It was essentially a hate contest that developed between Kiwi's and the idiot former prime minister Jerk key who was not interested in anything other than being the man who changed the flag.
He was voted down by Kiwi's who just want a simple black flag with a silver fern on it.
Not some fluoro multi coloured garbage that would make us look like a banana republic.
Nice try at razzing us, I see you got Cooky a good one.
Thanks for the tongue in cheek humour...
Now...
You get on with the bigoted anti-immigrant brexit that is ruining the pound and ruining your trade for years to come as the evil Aussie convict ruins your rugby team.
Do yourself a favour and get on board with commonwealth trade relations that chumps like Lord Vesty dropped in the mid 1970's when he hung us out to dry so he could rush to his euro economic version of Lady Chatterley... , you're gonna need them when the Euro union aristocracy smashes you in the wallet because you're leader is an idiot, jawing up a hard brexit and then getting smashed in the polls by a mainstream media demonised older Chardonnay socialist chap that is now a star among the youth and worshipped at Glastonbury. Go figure.
Your economy is dying, your growth is the slowest now in the G7, your public services are dying due to 6 long years of cuts, massive cuts from the chancellor George Osborne that were designed to eradicate the nations deficit... and left it significantly larger than when the cuts started, it's now at £1.7 trillion, ouch... I guess you could trade your way out of that deep hole but... Brexit has already started and there is no negotiator in place... you have no negotiators in place for the hundreds of global trade contracts you will need to replace the teat of Europe.
It's a mess being run by a conservative minority who don't know how to cut a deal, they only know how to cut services to the middle class and lower.
Wages are at the lowest level of growth since Napoleon threatened the nation of shop keepers, 200+ years ago
Your military has dwindled to the lowest levels in a thousand years and has been sidelined as a whipped cur that meekly follows the instructions of it's American overlord regardless of the consequences, like homeless veterans in your streets and terrorism in your cities.
You will soon have two (ridiculously expensive) three quarter sized air craft carriers with no planes on them because... oh thats right... they're not in the budget... and the carriers are for... posturing purposes? So you can make more 'impact' as Americas military poodle.
You're sailing hero, Sir Ben Ainslie has been tipped out of the oldest sporting contest in the world, the America's Cup, by a tiny south Pacific nation...
It's small wonder your tv fodder is largely comprised of families looking to get away from little Britain to a south pacific paradise, just as it has been the undying dream of English folk for years... to aspire to a dream home... where?


Come on down, you'll be welcome, we'll even teach you bounders how to play a bit of rugger, eh wot?

Touche' ;-)
 
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Isn't it a journalist's perogative to be objectionable, to be contrary - downright provocative if necessary? That's how they garner readership and sell papers.

I don't agree with what he's written but I can't help but admire the way he's done it.
 
Isn't it a journalist's perogative to be objectionable, to be contrary - downright provocative if necessary? That's how they garner readership and sell papers.

I don't agree with what he's written but I can't help but admire the way he's done it.
The thing that I find amusing about main stream journalism as a whole, is that they report on each other, and that constitutes news ... SH Journalists will report on their NH counterparts, and put their own opinion on it (or NH will do the same to the SH), and then others will report on them as news ... it's like some kind of journalistic tennis match, with those journalistic opinions somehow becoming what the general public's opinion somewhere along the way ... as already mentioned, it's just a way to generate revenue
 
Must say if for nothing else I'm glad Haskell went on tour. He seems like great craic and a good morale boostwr withon the squad
 
Must say if for nothing else I'm glad Haskell went on tour. He seems like great craic and a good morale boostwr withon the squad

I'm 99% sure an identical rugby player without Hask's bant-tastic personality wouldn't have got the call. Morale is important
 
Sometimes when we get gobby kiwi's ranting on rugby forums, i can't help but feel they are venting their spleen over reading the bile that pours out of the mouth and keyboard of a vile hideous creature like Stephen maggot breath Jones.
What a hideous vile creature.
Truthfully there are times when the AB's are worthy of a hard judgement, as with any teams, nor should they be constantly praised and applauded by sycophantic authors.
Stephen Jones has a personal one idiot crusade against the AB's, he has mental issues that cretin.

Chris Rattue is a disgrace to our flag.
He is a traitor to the good natured fair play loving regular Kiwi person.
Bind hm to Stephen Jones and sink them both as great white bait off the shores of Dunedin, and watch the big carnivorous fish turn up their nose at the hateful smelling dinner.
J-Boy -
Sometimes when we get gobby kiwi's ranting on rugby forums, i can't help but feel they are venting their spleen over reading the bile that pours out of the mouth and keyboard of a vile hideous creature like Stephen maggot breath Jones.
What a hideous vile creature.
Truthfully there are times when the AB's are worthy of a hard judgement, as with any teams, nor should they be constantly praised and applauded by sycophantic authors.
Stephen Jones has a personal one idiot crusade against the AB's, he has mental issues that cretin.

Chris Rattue is a disgrace to our flag.
He is a traitor to the good natured fair play loving regular Kiwi person.
Bind hm to Stephen Jones and sink them both as great white bait off the shores of Dunedin, and watch the big carnivorous fish turn up their nose at the hateful smelling dinner.


j-Boy - I too live in London, used to read the Sunday Times, but let that c*** anger me to extremes. I actually went through the complaints procedure of the IPSO against one of his, in this case slanderous, articles. Quixotic, of course, because that hardly-independent "watchdog" is funded by the big proprietors. But, I was hoping that his bosses would register the complaint, and maybe I would get to speak to them. Nope, blanked all round. By the way, this is the only time in my long life when I have done something like this.
How old is that pr***, anyway?
 
Isn't it a journalist's perogative to be objectionable, to be contrary - downright provocative if necessary? That's how they garner readership and sell papers.

I don't agree with what he's written but I can't help but admire the way he's done it.

This sounds mature and reasonable, but actually is not thought through.
Hundreds of thousands of UK rugby followers are prepared to believe biased untruths, presented recklessly by Jones and his type. Read the internet commentators, speak to individuals in clubs and pubs. Their opinion of not just the All Blacks but New Zealanders is distorted. Facts are not presented or welcome.
 
The Stephen Jones show don't stop
"And above all, there is New Zealand's motivation. It is more than sporting, way more. It's not so much Ireland that bugs them, even though the Irish crushed them in Chicago. It's the old country, you see — Britain and especially England. It's their problem, their dark secret. They hate the idea of the mother country ever getting one over on them on the field, the rugby field, that is. They are mediocre at most other major sports.

And yet, is there something more going on? Is it all a veil to hide an abiding love? The Kiwis are madder on the royal family than the maddest royalist at home. They are obsessed with England, the English, and what appears in London papers. They recently voted to retain the Union flag on their own flag, bless them. They will be voting to bring the empire back next."
Hmm - I followed a bit of this flag saga, and think you will find that while New Zealanders embrace their independence as a unique culture and nation in their own right, their national flag was kept in place at the behest of those thousands of soldiers and veterans who made the ultimate sacrifice (under the same flag), during a couple of world wars and various other "commonwealth" disputes. Good on them. Nothing to do with them wanting to retain any special allegiance to England, the Queen or any of that nonsense. Living in another commonwealth nation, I salute them for the decision to keep their traditional flag, for the sake of their countrymen who died.
 
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Well, I was away with my daughter for the weekend as she had a footy tournament. I did my best to avoid the result and planned to watch the game some 12 hours later on delay. Sadly, a mate of mine had text me "well, that was sobering", and blew my plans, so I assumed the result we all rather expected. I have just plucked up the courage to watch the match today, so here are some thoughts.

ABS were pretty awesome. The main difference, which I always see in their game, is the offload in contact. Simply always have a support runner available, and rarely does the ball die at the first, second even third tackle. Quite simply, the Abs dominated the opening half, in terms of territory and possession. They were another level that the Lions have not faced yet, on a very demanding tour. Still, the Lions ought be complemented for keeping the score as close as it was in the first half. ABs had real trouble converting possession and territory into telling points difference on the scoreboard, so the Lions can take some consolation form that. The lions closed the half out with the try of the tour so far. I could not help thinking was remarkably similar to the Gareth Edwards try for the Barbs in 73.

Since I've admitted the Lions deserved defeat, I would add that they did rather blow a few chances to make the game a lot more interesting. I think this Lions team can beat the ABs, but not something we are going to see on a regular basis. With some better decisions from the referee, better conversion of chances, even better defence, then who knows?

With my blinkered vision on "optimal setting", I personally thought some of the refereeing decisions poor in the test. ABs are just never penalised for obstructing kick chasers and they always discreetly cross lines of runners chasing. The offside rule at the ruck, which has been discussed ad nausea, is a crap shoot. Sometimes they call it, sometimes they let the most obvious ones go. When it happens under your posts, then its just too easy to say, well, the ref got it right. Its happening all over the park without penalty. Inconsistent at best. Also thought the Abs guilty of collapsing several Lions rolling mauls from Line Out. The first time such a penalty was called, was in the 75th minute, and the pen was awarded to the Abs. I rather threw my hands in the air when I saw that. The ref had minimal impact otherwise, but he certainly never gave us that many breaks. If I were to pass judgement, then I'd just say the penalty count unfairly favoured the ABs. Right, thats my sour grapes out of the way.

As for the Lions - here are my final thoughts. The game was not as much of a blowout as I had anticipated once I knew the score. Fair to say that most of the tries were opportunist efforts from broken play. Lions try from their own 22. The NZ winger's final try. While there were some periods of ABs onslaught, the Lions had periods of their own pressure too. To me at least, It was certainly not the one sided affair that has been reported in much of the British press. The game got away from the Lions in the end, but I think the final score perhaps a little flattering for the ABs. I thought the Lions defending was decent, just not good enough. Thought our enterprising play was very positive, just not as clinical as it needs to be. Thought bringing Te'o off and sliding Farrell out to centre was a mistake. Farrell is our best 10 (IMHO), but Te'o was doing a decent job on SBW, and there was no need to for that change. Alun Wyn Jones shouldn't play another test. He hasn't the gas. NZ comms were talking about him sucking the big ones after 20 minutes, and he was. Sam Warburton has been rather a big disappointment for a Lions captain. Still, I am pretty proud of the Lions display. The Abs were just too good on the day.

I still think the Lions can go into the 2nd test and give the Abs a run for their money. Not about to predict a win, but it was hardly all one way traffic, and if the Lions had been a little more clinical on the 3-4 real chances they did create, then who knows. Some of those AB's will know they have been in a contest. Some not returning for the 2nd or 3rd tests. Thought it was a terrific pulsating game. Just sad I had to miss it live, and watching it, when you know the outcome, is like having someone describe to you what really good chocolate ice cream tastes like. No fun.

Come on Lions. Keep it competitive at the very least. Still think we can nick one. Lets pay off a French ref, and make bloody sure of it. :)
 
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Hmm - I followed a bit of this flag saga.
it was more the fact the a decent alternative wasnt presented.
imo we didnt change the flag cos we didnt come up with a proper alternative that screamed kiwiana and mana and who wants to get stuck with "all right" flag?
so instead of picking a crappy flag, we decided to stay with the devil we knew....imo
 
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