Boxing Thread

[Cruz_del_Sur]

I agree, and that's precisely why i think he doesn't have a chance. His punching speed and accuracy, although top in mma, are mediocre at best compared to the boxers mayweather has already faced, and how many of them landed a clean shot on mayweather? Very, very few.

I wonder how difficult it is for someone who's been training mma to switch off kicking, psychologically. Many of the movements are instinctive after so much training. Then again, i understand the consequences for things outside the boxing rules will he deal with dearly.
I am also very curious about how will mcg react if after say, 4 rounds, he is still unable to land a single punch and mayweather starts taunting him.
Anything other than a clear win for mayweather will scream fix in my book.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I wonder how difficult it is for someone who's been training mma to switch off kicking, psychologically.

Very easily
In mma you spar the different arts separately with different rule sets just to hone the different skillsets. He also did several years of straight up boxing before getting onto MMA, and his last 10months has been straight up boxing.
I could see him trying to land sly shots in the clinch, maybe some trips or pushes too, But nothing as wild as a kick, unless he feels like forfeiting 90% of his purse (which he will if he's DQd).

 

[ratsapprentice]

Also Conor had no issue knocking women about when he was younger, in Kavanagh's book he said Conor floored Aisling Daly and Kavanagh put a beat down on McGregor to say that that behaviour isn't acceptable in his gym.

In training/the gym?

That's very different to beating up your wife, IMO. Not saying it's great, but they aren't really that comparable.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

No one has talked about the difference in the rings that UFC and boxing fight in. Connor hasn't even boxed ever in a square ring before. Mayweather will use the dimensions of the ring and trap McGregor in the corners. It's not what McGregor will do, it's all in Mayweather's hands. Buildup/trash talking leading up to the fight has been fun/entertaining to watch, but then the main event will be a farce.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

In training/the gym?

That's very different to beating up your wife, IMO. Not saying it's great, but they aren't really that comparable.

Pad session, apparently.
Not saying it's comparable, and Floyd's definitely a huge piece of ****, but Conor just gets a massive free pass for all the shitty things he does.
I was reading an article the other day where they were talking about Conor getting his **** shoved in by kavanagh for dropping his training partner, completely ignoring who it was (despite it being right there in the book, where they learnt the fact). Can't see that happening to (m)any other fighters. I mean the whole reason Kav beat him up was because it was a woman he hit.

 

[ratsapprentice]

I don't think he does, it's just in this context he's the underdog, and unless he was a necropaedophile... people are gonna support the underdog.

I think the uncertainty over how much of his schtick is a character is what allows him more leeway than most people
When Floyd is talking about his Hublot watches, there doesn't seem to be any awareness of how depressing it is that it's the most interesting thing he has to talk about.
But there's a degree of understanding and tongue in cheek when Connor does it (only a degree, mind - he's still a money obsessed egomaniac).

Mayweather's flashiness/grotesqueries are very reminiscent of Trump, whereas McGregor is more mid 90's WWF.

It's only got a limited shelf-life, no matter how it's been received up until now though, for the most part people get bored with it.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Not sure if i'm going to buy tonights fight or not................

Is it going to be worth £20? Doubt it.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I don't think he does

What?!
He massively does!
Punched Diaz in the face off, nothing. Traditionally it should've been a fine or at least a warning but he got nothing.
Everyone writes his repeated racism off as bants (not saying hes racist but he uses it to get a rise out of his opponents),
Everyone applauds his Mrs for supporting him while ignoring him walking out on his job because he wanted to play computer games and claim the dole instead,

People just ignore the shitty aspects of his character because he's charismatic.

 

[ratsapprentice]

What?!
He massively does!
Punched Diaz in the face off, nothing. Traditionally it should've been a fine or at least a warning but he got nothing.
Everyone writes his repeated racism off as bants (not saying hes racist but he uses it to get a rise out of his opponents),
Everyone applauds his Mrs for supporting him while ignoring him walking out on his job because he wanted to play computer games and claim the dole instead,

People just ignore the shitty aspects of his character because he's charismatic.

Par for the course for famous people though, ennit?

I mean... Jon Jones...

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

He sparred Owen Roddy first," Daly says as she pushes her glasses up the bridge of her nose and smiles at the memory of McGregor's opening day. Daly was an early star of Kavanagh's gym and, as a woman, she was a pioneer and inspiration in Irish MMA. Her love of fighting, despite being so calm and thoughtful and having to retire earlier this year after a brain scan, is obvious.


"I remember Conor hit Owen really hard in the head and made him wobble. John was thinking: 'Who is this guy? What does he think he's doing?'"

Kavanagh, trying to dilute the intensity, asked McGregor to spar Daly. She was used to fighting men and was not intimidated. "Conor sparred really hard," she says, "and dropped me with a vicious body shot. It must have really been a tough shot for me to go down. John had seen enough. He was like: 'Conor get your MMA gloves on.'

"John took Conor down straight away and dominated him on the ground. He didn't do anything horrible like hitting him in the head but he softened up his body – wiping the breadbasket with nasty little shots to show Conor what it meant. 'You want to do MMA? Well, this is MMA.'"

The next time Daly and McGregor sparred, she remembers, "I could maul him. At that stage I probably was a purple belt training in jujitsu for four years and Conor was a new white belt. It was easy to control him. He was obviously tough and strong but I may have choked him."

Daly laughs demurely when asked if she had taken offence to the way McGregor had hit her? "Not at all. I was used to guys with egos because some of them think: 'I'm not going to be shown up by a girl.' Sometimes you had the opposite: 'Oh, I can't touch you!' – like you were made of glass. Conor gave me more respect. He fought me like I was any other fighter."

This is probably the article that you're on about Olyy? Aisling Daly in an interview with the Guardian/Irishtimes, it's a **** thing to do but on your first day in a gym with Ireland's premier, and only credible, MMA coach it's understandable.

To add to Rats' point the disconnect from fighter to fans is completely incomparable between the two. Mayweather "I bought it [A new Rolls Royce] for me but she [his daughter] wanted it so she got it", in an interview with Ariel Helwani McGregor was stating how he wanted his son to know that he has to work to be successful, that he doesn't want him to live off his father's wealth. Mayweather has absolutely no social skills, he doesn't understand other people, interviews like a robot, his life is boxing and wealth. There's a lot more to McGregor, he's really very relatable in his more candid moments whereas Mayweather isn't in the slightest.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Naw the one i read specifically skated over who it was because I remember thinking it was weird they didn't mention her name because she was a ufc fighter not just some random.
Like I said, though, him and Floyd aren't comparable buy conor's always gotta a free pass, from calling people nazis, inbred hillbilly, crackhead cholos, fajitas, f**gots, said he'd execute the poor in Brazil etc. He does it to try and get a rise but no one else would get away with it.
Jon Jones got a pretty big fine for his shoving match with Cormier.

I completely understand theres a massive different between his fight persona and his regular persona, I've seen enough interviews and clips of him away from the limelight to see what he's like regularly, But pretending to be a ******** still means you're acting like a ******** part of the time and you can still be judged on that.

 

[james5000]

He sparred Owen Roddy first," Daly says as she pushes her glasses up the bridge of her nose and smiles at the memory of McGregor's opening day. Daly was an early star of Kavanagh's gym and, as a woman, she was a pioneer and inspiration in Irish MMA. Her love of fighting, despite being so calm and thoughtful and having to retire earlier this year after a brain scan, is obvious.


"I remember Conor hit Owen really hard in the head and made him wobble. John was thinking: 'Who is this guy? What does he think he's doing?'"

Kavanagh, trying to dilute the intensity, asked McGregor to spar Daly. She was used to fighting men and was not intimidated. "Conor sparred really hard," she says, "and dropped me with a vicious body shot. It must have really been a tough shot for me to go down. John had seen enough. He was like: 'Conor get your MMA gloves on.'

"John took Conor down straight away and dominated him on the ground. He didn't do anything horrible like hitting him in the head but he softened up his body – wiping the breadbasket with nasty little shots to show Conor what it meant. 'You want to do MMA? Well, this is MMA.'"

The next time Daly and McGregor sparred, she remembers, "I could maul him. At that stage I probably was a purple belt training in jujitsu for four years and Conor was a new white belt. It was easy to control him. He was obviously tough and strong but I may have choked him."

Daly laughs demurely when asked if she had taken offence to the way McGregor had hit her? "Not at all. I was used to guys with egos because some of them think: 'I'm not going to be shown up by a girl.' Sometimes you had the opposite: 'Oh, I can't touch you!' – like you were made of glass. Conor gave me more respect. He fought me like I was any other fighter."

This is probably the article that you're on about Olyy? Aisling Daly in an interview with the Guardian/Irishtimes, it's a **** thing to do but on your first day in a gym with Ireland's premier, and only credible, MMA coach it's understandable.

To add to Rats' point the disconnect from fighter to fans is completely incomparable between the two. Mayweather "I bought it [A new Rolls Royce] for me but she [his daughter] wanted it so she got it", in an interview with Ariel Helwani McGregor was stating how he wanted his son to know that he has to work to be successful, that he doesn't want him to live off his father's wealth. Mayweather has absolutely no social skills, he doesn't understand other people, interviews like a robot, his life is boxing and wealth. There's a lot more to McGregor, he's really very relatable in his more candid moments whereas Mayweather isn't in the slightest.

Talk about putting 1 and 1 together and coming up with 10.

Mayweathers kids are grounded and have a solid work ethic, you just need to see a few interviews with them. Just because he gives them a few gifts doesn't mean they don't know about perserverance and hard work.

All Floyd has ever known in life is hard work, so I am not surprised it has rubbed of on his kids.

Conor is a WWE character come to life, not relateable to anyone I have ever met!!!!

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Talk about putting 1 and 1 together and coming up with 10.

Mayweathers kids are grounded and have a solid work ethic, you just need to see a few interviews with them. Just because he gives them a few gifts doesn't mean they don't know about perserverance and hard work.

All Floyd has ever known in life is hard work, so I am not surprised it has rubbed of on his kids.

Conor is a WWE character come to life, not relateable to anyone I have ever met!!!!

"A few gifts" = a Rolls Royce because "she wanted it"... It's not surprising they're coming across well in interviews, you wouldn't suspect pretty boy as a wife beater from his!

 

[james5000]

"A few gifts" = a Rolls Royce because "she wanted it"... It's not surprising they're coming across well in interviews, you wouldn't suspect pretty boy as a wife beater from his!

How has that got anything to do with wife beating? And no I won't defend wife beating.

Conor isn't some down to earth bloke, quite the opposite and he can't even back up his talk. Floyd is going to give him a beating.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

How has that got anything to do with wife beating? And no I won't defend wife beating.

Conor isn't some down to earth bloke, quite the opposite and he can't even back up his talk. Floyd is going to give him a beating.

He's media trained and so are his kids... McGregor isn't down to earth but Mayweather is so disconnected it's ridiculous, there's a reason McGregor is by far the more popular guy, he entices fans and they like him, Floyd throws cash in your face.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

By all accounts Conor is pretty down to earth.
He likes to splash the cash but if you were a 29 year old with multiple millions in the bank you probably would too.
Look at his team/entourage - same lads who have been there from the start. He's got school pals there, the same coaches he started training with when he was 17, same girlfriend from when he was in school, still mucks around with the same lads in crumlin he grew up with.
He likes to flash the cash but that's more because he's "new rich" from humble (though nowhere near as poor as he makes out) beginnings, not because he's lost touch with the world.
When you see all the behind the scenes footage of him on the various embeddeds you can see he's just a regular guy who is very media savvy so knows when to switch it on.

Also most of his flashness is rented or loaned for free - cars, clothes, mansions in Vegas. I imagine he's burnt through a surprisingly small amount of his considerable earnings. Helps that one of his oldest friends/training partners is a chartered accountant/financial adviser so has probably been drilling it into him from day dot.

Think it's a pretty wild accusation to say Conor has his head in the clouds and Floyd is the regular lad.

 

[james5000]

He's media trained and so are his kids... McGregor isn't down to earth but Mayweather is so disconnected it's ridiculous, there's a reason McGregor is by far the more popular guy, he entices fans and they like him, Floyd throws cash in your face.

Look at the demographic of the average MMA fan in America, there is huge racial biasness in the sport.

All the big popular names are Caucasian its a fact. Jon Jones and Anderson Silva never got near the popularity of Liddel, GSP, Lesnar and Conor.

When Floyd started out as a clean cut good boy PBF he was just seen as highly skilled but a non draw. He would have never been a draw if he didn't play the villian type role he ended up as. Boxing has a far richer history and will always be the global leading combat sport. It isn't a surprise that a boxer is the no1 draw in combat sports. I imagine a Caucasian English speaking champ that could talk a bit would easily eclipse Floyd as a draw though.

 

[james5000]

By all accounts Conor is pretty down to earth.
He likes to splash the cash but if you were a 29 year old with multiple millions in the bank you probably would too.
Look at his team/entourage - same lads who have been there from the start. He's got school pals there, the same coaches he started training with when he was 17, same girlfriend from when he was in school, still mucks around with the same lads in crumlin he grew up with.
He likes to flash the cash but that's more because he's "new rich" from humble (though nowhere near as poor as he makes out) beginnings, not because he's lost touch with the world.
When you see all the behind the scenes footage of him on the various embeddeds you can see he's just a regular guy who is very media savvy so knows when to switch it on.

Also most of his flashness is rented or loaned for free - cars, clothes, mansions in Vegas. I imagine he's burnt through a surprisingly small amount of his considerable earnings. Helps that one of his oldest friends/training partners is a chartered accountant/financial adviser so has probably been drilling it into him from day dot.

Think it's a pretty wild accusation to say Conor has his head in the clouds and Floyd is the regular lad.

Who was Floyds 1st trainer and who trains him now? You would probably be surprised Floyds team has been with him longer than Conor has been on earth.

Floyds persona is just for show too, Floyd came from nothing and flashing money is what he has become known for. His persona has helped him become one of the highest paid athletes of all time.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

So why do you hold it against McGregor and not Mayweather?

Claiming racism in MMA is just ridiculous.
Also your "facts" are wrong. The spider and JJ are bigger than Chuck. GSP was massive because he was a dominant champ not because he was white (He's also a non english speaking canadian, only learnt English in his 20s when he went to new York to train under renzo Gracie) so not exactly your stereotypical red neck "just bleed" guy.
Leaner was a massive draw because of his WWE background.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

All i can say is thank fuk it got delayed.