Bledisloe III: Australia v New Zealand, 20/10/2012

[madflyhalf]

The growth of Pat McCabe in n.12 jersey is amazing.

 

[InsaneAsylum]

Don't have any issue with higginbotham's suspension. Still laughing at "mr. Lubbe" though

 

[French TommyGun]

I didn't manage to see the game at the weekend but I heard about higginbotham's suspension. I'm not trying to be funny or anything but did Richie McCaw deserve it?! =P you know what I mean?? Coz sometimes I feel like that cheating sod deserves a quick knee in the face! =]

 

[nickdnz]

I didn't manage to see the game at the weekend but I heard about higginbotham's suspension. I'm not trying to be funny or anything but did Richie McCaw deserve it?! =P you know what I mean?? Coz sometimes I feel like that cheating sod deserves a quick knee in the face! =]

I'm sure you will probably think so.

 

[madflyhalf]

I'm watching the game now...

Not a beauty, but from Aussie perspective, who would ask for more in this situation?!

Positives from Tapuai (solid game and a magic in the first half), Cummins (fckng hard, both in attack and in defence), Phipps (maybe sometimes too lazy), Sharpe and Palu until he's been subbed.

I think Michael Hooper comes out from the same place of Kieran Read (Skynet), probably 2 different model as the latter has legs, but the former has wheels not legs.
T800 vs T1000?

 

[smartcooky]

I didn't manage to see the game at the weekend but I heard about higginbotham's suspension. I'm not trying to be funny or anything but did Richie McCaw deserve it?! =P you know what I mean?? Coz sometimes I feel like that cheating sod deserves a quick knee in the face! =]

This from a poster whose countrymen used to carry knives onto the field! Why am I not surprised?

NO player deserves to be kneed in the face, ever, not even Bakkies Botha.

When you commit such acts, you lower yourself to the same level as the person you are "punishing".

Personally, I think players who do this to opponents like McCaw, are compensating for their own lack of talent. They aren't good enough to compete with the opponent on a level playing field, so they try to tip the balance in their favour using cheap shots and thuggery.

 

[Larksea]

unfortunate result and actually not a great game to watch, one of those games where both teams really struggled partly through messy breakdowns and the final result was mostly decided by the ref. Woodcock getting a team yellow card for a borderline offense maybe Aussie should have for a team yellow at some stage as well given their penalty count was higher than the AB's

From an AB perspective I though they were the better team overall though Dan Carter missing a few kicks hampered the scoreline and on attack players lacked patients - throwing low percentage passes when cool heads were needed. All Black attacks were breaking down because of their own errors where the Aussie attacks were mostly killed off by very solid defense and attacking the ball in the tackle.

I Don't think any AB players are to blame, just as a team they lacked cool heads and patients. Was disappointed by the end, Ben Smith did brilliantly to get the AB's in a position to win but carter fluffed the kick, poor pass from weepu. really Carter should have had a backup option for a poor pass. They really should have showed more composure.

Hansen's first "non win" prob did not handle it the best by blaming the Aussies for poaching NZ talent lol

AB's need games to learn from, they will learn from this and I guess it's better if they are dead rubbers and not important games - they seem to be winning all of the important ones

 

[InsaneAsylum]

unfortunate result and actually not a great game to watch, one of those games where both teams really struggled partly through messy breakdowns and the final result was mostly decided by the ref. Woodcock getting a team yellow card for a borderline offense maybe Aussie should have for a team yellow at some stage as well given their penalty count was higher than the AB's

Hooper got a yellow for us for the same thing didn't he? both teams were warned for repeated infringements in the zone, someone had to go. Woodcock was the unlucky recipient for the all blacks.

 

[William18]

Hooper got a yellow for us for the same thing didn't he? both teams were warned for repeated infringements in the zone, someone had to go. Woodcock was the unlucky recipient for the all blacks.

Nah, it was different. Hooper was given a yellow card for a late tackle, Woodcock for repeated infringements.

 

[Larksea]

Hooper got a personal yellow for a late tackle that was also a shoulder charge, woodcocks yellow was a team card for penalty count.

All Blacks were penalized 11 times and were given a team yellow for penalty count
Australia were penalized 14 times and did NOT get a team yellow for penalty count

Considering that the Knee and headbutt on McCaw was missed the AB's clearly got stiffed on that front.

 

[InsaneAsylum]

my bad, now I remember, a late hit right on the touch line.

 

[French TommyGun]

I think Michael Hooper comes out from the same place of Kieran Read (Skynet), probably 2 different model as the latter has legs, but the former has wheels not legs.
T800 vs T1000?

I love that!!

 

[French TommyGun]

This from a poster whose countrymen used to carry knives onto the field! Why am I not surprised?

NO player deserves to be kneed in the face, ever, not even Bakkies Botha.

When you commit such acts, you lower yourself to the same level as the person you are "punishing".

Personally, I think players who do this to opponents like McCaw, are compensating for their own lack of talent. They aren't good enough to compete with the opponent on a level playing field, so they try to tip the balance in their favour using cheap shots and thuggery.

Alright crusader calm down I'm not suggesting we start bring muskets on the pitch or anything! I'm just saying Richie McCaw deserves a bit of a slap sometimes that's all I think we can all agree on that?!

 

[smartcooky]

Alright crusader calm down I'm not suggesting we start bring muskets on the pitch or anything! I'm just saying Richie McCaw deserves a bit of a slap sometimes that's all I think we can all agree on that?!

NO. I disagree with any physical striking of a player with the intent to intimidate him into changing his playing style. Its is NOT part of the modern game. If you want to change the effectiveness of that player, there are ways to do this legally, or if not, non-violently.

In the 2011 RWC semi-final against Australia, the All Blacks minimised the effectiveness of David Pocock using a couple of techniques, one legal and one illegal

The Legal One
...involves always running the ball the other way from where Pocock was standing at ruck time, to increase his time to the breakdown. Where they were forced to run on the same side as Pocock, they would run directly onto his weak side and with a follow up runner directly behind the ball carrier. This would turn Pocock around, and then the ball carrier would go to ground the moment he made physical contact. This left Pocock on his feet facing the wrong way, which means he was not tackler (tacklers must go to ground to get the benefit of playing the ball from any direction), and he had to release and go back through the gate, slowing him down. The follow up player would then clean him out the moment he got to his feet.

The Illegal One
... is where a player in the ruck would briefly hold onto Pocock after the ball had gone; just enough to delay him to the next breakdown. Its very subtle; the referee doesn't usually pick this up unless he is watching for it, and he can't watch for it all the time. They only really did this when they had a ruck situation near the sidelines when they knew they were going to be forced to run the ball to the same side that Pocock was likely to be. Also, the "holding" would be done on openside of the ruck, making it hidden from the blindside AR and making it difficult for the openside AR to spot it 70m away. This is a technique that the South Africans are very good at this too, particularly that World Champion of "off the ball play", Butch James. How this might be illegal, but it does not involve head-butting or sticking your knee into an opponent's face.

 

[LittleGuy]

Fun article on the Lithuanian reaction to keeping their winning streak record.

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,9817_8188345,00.html

 

[Draggs]

Fun article on the Lithuanian reaction to keeping their winning streak record.

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,9817_8188345,00.html

Funny, but it's like when people say Ohata is the top try scorer.
Sure, but does it matter?

 

[French TommyGun]

NO. I disagree with any physical striking of a player with the intent to intimidate him into changing his playing style. Its is NOT part of the modern game. If you want to change the effectiveness of that player, there are ways to do this legally, or if not, non-violently.

In the 2011 RWC semi-final against Australia, the All Blacks minimised the effectiveness of David Pocock using a couple of techniques, one legal and one illegal

The Legal One
...involves always running the ball the other way from where Pocock was standing at ruck time, to increase his time to the breakdown. Where they were forced to run on the same side as Pocock, they would run directly onto his weak side and with a follow up runner directly behind the ball carrier. This would turn Pocock around, and then the ball carrier would go to ground the moment he made physical contact. This left Pocock on his feet facing the wrong way, which means he was not tackler (tacklers must go to ground to get the benefit of playing the ball from any direction), and he had to release and go back through the gate, slowing him down. The follow up player would then clean him out the moment he got to his feet.

The Illegal One
... is where a player in the ruck would briefly hold onto Pocock after the ball had gone; just enough to delay him to the next breakdown. Its very subtle; the referee doesn't usually pick this up unless he is watching for it, and he can't watch for it all the time. They only really did this when they had a ruck situation near the sidelines when they knew they were going to be forced to run the ball to the same side that Pocock was likely to be. Also, the "holding" would be done on openside of the ruck, making it hidden from the blindside AR and making it difficult for the openside AR to spot it 70m away. This is a technique that the South Africans are very good at this too, particularly that World Champion of "off the ball play", Butch James. How this might be illegal, but it does not involve head-butting or sticking your knee into an opponent's face.

Ok steady on there crusader! I'm not actually trying to insight violence or anything mate, just a bit of healthy rugby banter you know?

 

[LittleGuy]

Funny, but it's like when people say Ohata is the top try scorer.
Sure, but does it matter?

Yeah I think it's kind of something fun and from the reaction of the players thats how they feel about it. AB's could very well break it anyway at some point the way they have been playing the last couple of years.

 

[Big Ewis]

Fun article on the Lithuanian reaction to keeping their winning streak record.

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,9817_8188345,00.html

yeah, read it earlier ! :lol:
WTF !!

 

[admartian]

Alright crusader calm down I'm not suggesting we start bring muskets on the pitch or anything! I'm just saying Richie McCaw deserves a bit of a slap sometimes that's all I think we can all agree on that?!

lol no.
He doesn't deserve it any more than any other forward does.

Being a tiny bit dirty/pushing the law as maybe holding him down by his jersey, open palm to the face etc is all well and good.

But the flying elbows, knees to the head, punches and forearms to the face, stomps to the head and back (potential spinal damage), eye gouging etc etc etc etc are not part of the game nor are they legitimate or 'fair' ways of getting back at a forward getting the better of you at the breakdown.

Some of those actions even breach what is within the Unified rules of MMA (no striking at the back of the head or trying to injure the spine).

All these words sound like butthurt people at McCaw. If you think it's fair to try and do back what he does to your team, then fine - I'm all for that too. But all these combative actions by some players are just the product of a decade of frustration incurred by Richie.