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Barbarian FC v British & Irish Lions

Dullonien would bump PO'C up a bit he was fantastic.

Also not saying change the rating but Healy made one or two pretty big carries and some strong scrummaging, certainly stood out to me.

Otherwise pretty much agree except maybe dropping Faletau down one.

I'd be happy to bump both up to a 7. I did think that POC faded in the second half. Probably down to the heat and his age, which should have little bearing on the rest of the tour.

I thought Faletau had a very good game, thoroughly deserving of an 8. He's often rightly criticised for his lack of passing on occasions, but I thought he took all the right options yesterday, and when many around him were struggling to keep hold of the ball, he was still offloading out of the tackle creating try's. It also looks like he is in the process of growing back his fro.....
 
I'd be happy to bump both up to a 7. I did think that POC faded in the second half. Probably down to the heat and his age, which should have little bearing on the rest of the tour.

I thought Faletau had a very good game, thoroughly deserving of an 8. He's often rightly criticised for his lack of passing on occasions, but I thought he took all the right options yesterday, and when many around him were struggling to keep hold of the ball, he was still offloading out of the tackle creating try's. It also looks like he is in the process of growing back his fro.....

I thought Faletau was good I just didn't think he was as good as the others you have at 8.

Interesting that on another board I occasionally post on (a lot more Irish focused in fairness) was not happy with the backrow contribution. Quite unfair but interesting contrast to here.
 
I thought Faletau was good I just didn't think he was as good as the others you have at 8.

Yeh possibly, but then I thought he was better than those I'd given 7. Maybe a 7.5 would have been fair.

Interesting that on another board I occasionally post on (a lot more Irish focused in fairness) was not happy with the backrow contribution. Quite unfair but interesting contrast to here.

Lydiate was quiet in parts, but I noticed him hitting a lot of rucks. Tips was everywhere, would have been my motm. Faletau was solid, with a few nice touches. Maybe they're just bitter ;)
 
Yeh possibly, but then I thought he was better than those I'd given 7. Maybe a 7.5 would have been fair.



Lydiate was quiet in parts, but I noticed him hitting a lot of rucks. Tips was everywhere, would have been my motm. Faletau was solid, with a few nice touches. Maybe they're just bitter ;)

No point being bitter til the tests :D.
 
To be honest guys, I dunno if there is much sense reading too much into that match. The Barbarians simply didn't ask enough questions for us to evaluate the Lions.
 
Yeah I agree with TVH11 and a few others - I'm struggling to really take all that much from this game in terms of understanding of our squad and what may or may not work for the bigger games. It'd be much better preparation to play another side with some semblance of cohesion and organisation, even if it was a side of lower level than super XV. I would expect any super rugby side to put away this barbarians. I don't want to be mr skeptical, but I doubt you'd see Mike Philips glide past defences like that against any other opposition. The other thing is that as TVH pointed out this was predominantly a welsh side who are throoughly used to one another. In many ways it was much harder for the handful of other British guys who had to try and gel in amongst them.

On another note, I'm really disappointed to hear that Ioane, Higgingbotham and Timani are injury doubts. I want the best players to be out there against the lions, and that just sucks if those guys arn't there.

Going by some of the opposition quality on the last Australia tour. There should be one or two more rather comprehensive matches, especially the NSW Country Cockatoos game. The Wallaby-less Super Rugby sides last time all got easily beaten by 40+ points apart from the Brumbies who were the Super 12 champions at the time. Australia has much less depth than SA or NZ in domestic sides.
 
Not very impressed by the performance. Yes the conditions were horrible and greasy, but it was just too sloppy at times. The scrum was disappointing too - especially when Stevens came on who really struggled (I fail to see what he offers that Ross doesn't.) We should have been demolishing the scrum.
Faletau was good, but his ball carrying wasn't 'amazing' as some on this forum would lead you to believe.

Phillips & Murray's running game was good, but delivery was slow and Murray's passes were very loopy that put Sexton in some awkward positions. Phillips won't get away with as many as those runs against Aus.
Although I've never really liked him I thought Cuthbert did well, as did Davies. (Don't think either will start the first test though)
Very underwhelming performance by Hogg and Gray I thought, I hope they can come back though.

As an Ulsterman I can't wait to see Best get a chance to redeem himself from the 6N, because when he's on form (and gets his line out right) I don't think there would be much competition for the #2 shirt. Didn't see the Rabo final but I heard our line out went well with him?

Lydiate was great, I'm happy that one of him or Ferris got to tour with those injuries. I'd love him to be in the 23 for the first test, but I can't see where he would fit in? Personally I think they'll start Croft at 6, (Warb 7 Faletau or Heaslip 8), and on the bench O'Brien since he would be able to cover all 3 spots.
Overall I would give this performance a 6/10 - but it's understandable with the conditions. If the humidity and heat wasnt as bad I wouldn't be surprised if we put 70 passed them, Australia certainly won't have anything to be worried about yet.
 
I thought we went very well in the scrum before Stevens came on. Paul James and Castro are renowned for their scrummaging, so to be dominant for most of the match was impressive I thought. If Adam Jones can make Paul James look poor, Aus should be very worried about that aspect of the game imo.
 
Hold on, hold on. Can I check something? We did win yesterday didn't we? 'Cos you get the idea from reading some peoples comments that we can't have won, and even if we did we certainly can't have scored a shedload of tries on the first game on tour, the first rugby for some since the end of April for some in very testing conditions.
 
Hold on, hold on. Can I check something? We did win yesterday didn't we? 'Cos you get the idea from reading some peoples comments that we can't have won, and even if we did we certainly can't have scored a shedload of tries on the first game on tour, the first rugby for some since the end of April for some in very testing conditions.

+1
 
To the people who are being really critical:

The first match of the last tour was won 37-25 against a "Royal XV" invitational team made up of Currie Cup players, in much more forgiving conditions in front of 12,000 people.

Considering the way that team developed, I'm very happy with how this match went.
Context people, CONTEXT!
 
Out of the starting lineup - Cuthbert, Roberts, Phillips, Faletau, Tipuric, Lydiate, Gray, POC, Jones, Hibbard would all be considered strong contenders to start the first test. That could be 2/3 of the whole team, and I'd rather be critical than complacent.
The opposition were terrible, yes looking at the lineup they were pretty decent but they aren't overly bothered if they lose and we made so many easy yards that we simply won't get against Australia.

Bring on a bench of more potential starters near the end against a weakened and tired Barbarians team then scoring tries shouldn't of any difficult task.

Lets just see how we get on against the Western Force..
 
Generally the Lions played well against the Baa baas, but obviously we can't read too much into anything against such a weak and half-arsed opposition. God they were terrible. How can such a great looking team on paper just be so inept?

Farrell should be nowhere near that squad. I would have taken Biggar, Burns, Wilkinson, Flood, Paddy Jackson, Priestland, Hook, Ruaridh Jackson, and even Henson over him. The lions made 20 kicks out of hand - way too many against an opposition that had a ridiculous amount of defensive holes to exploit - and a lot of these were aimless kicks to touch or kicks back in-field from Farrell. He got himself isolated numerous times, which led to fast turnovers. He got charged down. He lashed back at Brits when he should have kept cool. He offered nothing in terms of attack. I just cannot see how he got on the plane. Can we just play Sexton for the rest of the tour and have Halfpenny or Tipuric or anyone else as back-up? Why take a player just to keep that player's daddy happy?

Brits should have been red-carded for his punch. Cannot understand why swearing at the ref (Hartley) gets you red-carded, yet swinging your fists full-force at someone's face is a lesser offence. The latter sets a far worse example of the sport imo. Hartley is a douche, yes, but I don't believe anyone can be absolutely certain he directed his swearing at Barnes, or at Tom Youngs, as he claimed. Brits' offence on the other hand is black and white.

I thought Tipuric played out of his skin. He is ridiculously fit, and was making some great runs and working hard even in the last 5 mins (in sweltering heat). I've said it before, but he would be one of the absolute definite starters for the tests for me, perhaps the most definite.
 
Tipuric is most definitely not the most nailed on starter. Sexton probably is, which is agreed by most people including yourself.

At 7 - he's competing with Warburton who is the tour captain, and as long as he is fit I don't think Gatland will bench is captain.
At 6 - O'Brien, Croft and Lydiate. O'Brien is one of the most consistent forwards, and has the best ball carrying ability out of the pack. Croft is excellent in the line out, has huge pace and dynamic ability. Lydiate is coming back into form and we all know how fantastic he is in defense.

Personally I would start Tipuric over Warburton, but there's no way that will happen now - and I can't see him playing 6.
 
Tipuric is most definitely not the most nailed on starter. Sexton probably is, which is agreed by most people including yourself.


Oh no, I know he's not. That's not what I was saying. I meant that he would be a nailed on starter if I were picking the squad. But obviously in reality Warburton is captain so Tipuric is going to struggle. It's a real shame, because I think he is playing some bloody fantastic rugby atm.
 
is there a stream for this game ? bloody useless rugby channel in New Zealand didnt even televise it.
 
The sooner Lydiate, Tiparic and J.Davies get back to wearing skull caps the better. The amount of work that Lydiate does, goes unnoticed when you can't see it's him every time, and I kept thinking Tips was a back ;)
 
is there a stream for this game ? bloody useless rugby channel in New Zealand didnt even televise it.

Yeah I tweeted Sky about it but got no response. There were quite a few streams available, but don't know of any that aren't live. To be honest you aren't missing much. None of the tries were that spectacular. Just look for a highlights package on Youtube?
 
Search "Lions vs Barbarians 2013" on youtube and then filter by >20mins, it's on there - though not sure for how long!
 
I think that Adam Jones cemented his spot as a starter (if there was still anyone doubting it), and Richard Hibbard made a very strong case for himself. His throwing was very good (and, I think, throwing is the main reason Hartley was in the squad to begin with).

No one cements anything after one game of a Lions tour, and against dubious opposition at that.
 

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