Backing the All blacks & dismissing the Boks a bit early?

[TRF_heineken]

I one thing alone is going to go through their minds. "Oh ****, it's really happening again isn't it?"

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[Black Heart]

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[Icemn]

@ Icemn

with 16 Previous World Cup Winners in the mix again, and with the Assistance of Rassie erasmus and the defence coach of the Stormers now also in the mix... i think we will be just fine

yes, so that you can park the bus even better....

 

[Icemn]

@ Icemn

You're a bit of a confused puppy being from SA and supporting all but the Sprinboks. Your post will go down well in the games forum.

The point being made by Die Bokke is that the World Cup is a total different kettle of fish from even the Tri Nations. It's like any World Cup sport. The stakes are the ultimate ***le and winning at all cost to be able to have the Crown of the best. Pretty rugby is for all other events. It's not for the WC (regardless of how much I would love it to be). And this, is where SA and England has the edge.

This is to me what NZ has not figured out yet.

then what is the point of a wc??? to be the best??? to sell your sole to the devil, change how you play just to win?? to have braging rights that you won??? i thought the goal in rugby is to score a try :? clearly not... its to win right??? win at any cost???

clearly NZ has higher standards to anyone else?? maybe the other countries haven't figured that out yet??? the AB will win a wc the AB way, and they will try untill they do...

that is why i support them... i will never support SA that kills rugby every game...

 

[JW.]

It's not killing rugby. It's playing a different style of rugby...

 

[Icemn]

That was the only thing i took out of your Huge post, that had nothing, at all to do with what i was saying, your entire post was YOU pointing YOUR finger at how the boks are worst team in world rugby effectively. I said that the teams listed, have the best game play for a world cup, NZ can play the most beautiful rugby in the world, but it means Sweet FA when it comes to it doesnt it. in 6 attempts, (i'd say you, but you're from SA supporting the AB's..?) The AB's have one ONE ***le, the very first, compared to a team, that are completely useless with the likes of Naas Botha, Morne Steyn Et el two out of Four. If you're going to Rip my post to shreds, Atleast make it relevant to what i was saying, dont tell me what i mean.

I stand by my predictions, i still think the AB's will again CHOKE and it will be left to SA/England/France to fight it out for the crown.

Another bone to chew on, has anyones opinion changed with todays Tri nations result between Australia & New Zealand? i never saw the game, but i'm told the Walabies looked good.

my friend, i don't give a **** about a WC, never had never will, but the players do right??? and i really want guys like mccaw and carter to name a few to go down in history, cuz they deserve it. like i said i dont give a fck about a wc, wc is war and war does not determine who won, it determines who is left. how do you justify who is better in a WC? how do you justify which country is better cuz of the amout of WC that they won??? where do you draw the line??? the AB won 1 wc, sa and aus 2... who is better??? is it the amount of wins for the amounts of attempts??? then SA must be the best right??? 2 wc in what 3 attemps of something??? even thought they dont really play rugby :? the more or less kill the game everytime, but who cares right??? there are people in the world that will rather take a good loss than a crappy win, there are people in the world with better standards than just a win...

 

[Icemn]

It's not killing rugby. It's playing a different style of rugby...

yip not killing, just squeezing the life out of it.....

 

[JW.]

It's not like the AB's promote playing running Rugby. They'll go to great lenghts to stop there opposition getting fast ball/bending the rules (its not cheating when you don't get caught.) Why? Because they want to win.

You play the style that suits your team, and it's not like Rugby isn't growing lol .

there are people in the world that will rather take a good loss than a crappy win, there are people in the world with better standards than just a win...

Yes there are they're called losers.

 

[UilamOsa]

@ Icemn...Pretty rugby is for all other events. It's not for the WC (regardless of how much I would love it to be). And this, is where SA and England has the edge.
This is to me what NZ has not figured out yet.

NZ has figured it out, just ask the Rugby Colts over the last few years. The Rugby League team and a few others...I think just recently some Rowing champs.
Premier NZ rugby is just trying to not only win the RWC, but too make it a superior product.

It was a amazing game. Australia looked awesome. Interesting thing was the first 20 minutes of the second half. The AB game in with a total different game plan. Effectively the Springbok type rugby gameplan.

The Fact that after 27 phases of possession and did not look for a dropgoal means it was a completely different gameplan.

As it stands though, I will back what I have said since the roster was announced, and that's that Australia will win the World Cup this year.

Fair enough. I believe the Aussies lack the mental toughness to beat the English. That's just me. I think they are a year off from being the team too beat.

 

[User1245]

my friend, i don't give a **** about a WC, never had never will, but the players do right??? and i really want guys like mccaw and carter to name a few to go down in history, cuz they deserve it. like i said i dont give a fck about a wc, wc is war and war does not determine who won, it determines who is left. how do you justify who is better in a WC? how do you justify which country is better cuz of the amout of WC that they won??? where do you draw the line??? the AB won 1 wc, sa and aus 2... who is better??? is it the amount of wins for the amounts of attempts??? then SA must be the best right??? 2 wc in what 3 attemps of something??? even thought they dont really play rugby :? the more or less kill the game everytime, but who cares right??? there are people in the world that will rather take a good loss than a crappy win, there are people in the world with better standards than just a win...

Oh so you're part of the deluded 1% of NZ "fans" who try say the WC doesn't matter... Who you trying to convince here? Yourself or us? This debate is a moot point, null and void, etc etc. In fact such a debate doesn't exsit.
Your fabulous team had to play 'ugly rugby' to claw their way back against the Aussies this weekend. So much for being the custodians of beautiful rugby!

 

[markshaw]

I love how 99% of the people on this forum lack the ability to view rugby objectively. Makes the posts very amusing. Look I'm a born and bred New Zealand and I love the All Blacks till the death. I take pride in knowing that we are going to the world cup to TRY and win it. We might choke again like we did on the weekend. Doesnt take anything away from us as a great rugby nation. And we will still come up to Britain and destroy you all at the end of the year!

 

[mattygboi]

my friend, i don't give a **** about a WC, never had never will, but the players do right??? and i really want guys like mccaw and carter to name a few to go down in history, cuz they deserve it. like i said i dont give a fck about a wc, wc is war and war does not determine who won, it determines who is left. how do you justify who is better in a WC? how do you justify which country is better cuz of the amout of WC that they won??? where do you draw the line??? the AB won 1 wc, sa and aus 2... who is better??? is it the amount of wins for the amounts of attempts??? then SA must be the best right??? 2 wc in what 3 attemps of something??? even thought they dont really play rugby :? the more or less kill the game everytime, but who cares right??? there are people in the world that will rather take a good loss than a crappy win, there are people in the world with better standards than just a win...

do you even have a ketboard left after raging out like that? haha u need to relax ! rugby world cup being like the third largest sporting event in the world and it means nothing?! haha u are a child. I would love to sit and argue a point forward here justifying the importance of a rwc for the sport but frankly u have embarrassed urself enough...get beta soon bro haha

 

[JW.]

I love how 99% of the people on this forum lack the ability to view rugby objectively. Makes the posts very amusing. Look I'm a born and bred New Zealand and I love the All Blacks till the death. I take pride in knowing that we are going to the world cup to TRY and win it. We might choke again like we did on the weekend. Doesnt take anything away from us as a great rugby nation. And we will still come up to Britain and destroy you all at the end of the year!

It doesn't matter then does it . Remember something I read in Phill Vickery's book what B.O'Driscoll had said after they beat England a month after the WC or something stupid like that. He said: 'If you are World Champions, what this make us after beating you guys?' (After this O'Driscoll whent down a notch in my books, such a stupid thing to say) But if you can't perform at the biggest stage then you will never be the best? Not hating NZ or anything you guys have been the best team in the world for most of Rugby's history and I love your culture/mindset towards Rugby and I'd be sort of happy for DC if he wins the RWC .

And nobody who is serious about his sports is going to enjoy losing and they will try to win at any cost, even if that means playing some slow rugby now and then.

 

[markshaw]

do you even have a ketboard left after raging out like that? haha u need to relax ! rugby world cup being like the third largest sporting event in the world and it means nothing?! haha u are a child. I would love to sit and argue a point forward here justifying the importance of a rwc for the sport but frankly u have embarrassed urself enough...get beta soon bro haha

I see where hes coming from. The winner of the world cup is whoever plays better in the world cup. I think you just need to look at the FIFA world cup to see that the best team in the world doesnt always take it home.

 

[Die Bokke]

my friend, i don't give a **** about a WC, never had never will, but the players do right??? and i really want guys like mccaw and carter to name a few to go down in history, cuz they deserve it. like i said i dont give a fck about a wc, wc is war and war does not determine who won, it determines who is left. how do you justify who is better in a WC? how do you justify which country is better cuz of the amout of WC that they won??? where do you draw the line??? the AB won 1 wc, sa and aus 2... who is better??? is it the amount of wins for the amounts of attempts??? then SA must be the best right??? 2 wc in what 3 attemps of something??? even thought they dont really play rugby :? the more or less kill the game everytime, but who cares right??? there are people in the world that will rather take a good loss than a crappy win, there are people in the world with better standards than just a win...

Haha, i actualy laughed while I read your ANGRY post. Of course the world cup doesnt matter, what was i thinking, what a stupid idiot i am. Wait, Hold on, Lets look at the Fans JOY at the home comming of the winning team, and the Anguish of the losing teams, The world cup means that little, that if NZ lose again this year, the Press wont even print a word about it. Not that you'd know, living in Cape town. You actualy give South African's a bad name, i'm ashamed that you're in This Beautiful Country. Utter Idiot.

 

[markshaw]

It doesn't matter then does it . Remember something I read in Phill Vickery's book what B.O'Driscoll had said after they beat England a month after the WC or something stupid like that. He said: 'If you are World Champions, what this make us after beating you guys?' (After this O'Driscoll whent down a notch in my books, such a stupid thing to say) But if you can't perform at the biggest stage then you will never be the best? Not hating NZ or anything you guys have been the best team in the world for most of Rugby's history and I love your culture/mindset towards Rugby and I'd be sort of happy for DC if he wins the RWC .

And nobody who is serious about his sports is going to enjoy losing and they will try to win at any cost, even if that means playing some slow rugby now and then.

Good point. Me personally, I have to de-sensitise myself from it all as four years is such a freakin long time between drinks

 

[Icemn]

Haha, i actualy laughed while I read your ANGRY post. Of course the world cup doesnt matter, what was i thinking, what a stupid idiot i am. Wait, Hold on, Lets look at the Fans JOY at the home comming of the winning team, and the Anguish of the losing teams, The world cup means that little, that if NZ lose again this year, the Press wont even print a word about it. Not that you'd know, living in Cape town. You actualy give South African's a bad name, i'm ashamed that you're in This Beautiful Country. Utter Idiot.

eish!!! i'm saying, i don't give a **** about a wc... don't come and compare me with people that are crazy about it :? why do i give SA a bad name??? cuz i support a team that actually plays rugby??? because i support a team that doesn't kill the game to get a win???? am i an idiot for doing that???? why is it a problem if a sa citizen support the AB but it cool if half of Cape town support the Brazillian football team :? 1/2 SA supports Man utd...but its not an issue....funny ne???

 

[Seaton]

eish!!! i'm saying, i don't give a **** about a wc... don't come and compare me with people that are crazy about it :? why do i give SA a bad name??? cuz i support a team that actually plays rugby??? because i support a team that doesn't kill the game to get a win???? am i an idiot for doing that???? why is it a problem if a sa citizen support the AB but it cool if half of Cape town support the Brazillian football team :? 1/2 SA supports Man utd...but its not an issue....funny ne???

Take a deep breath, because I am probably only going to say this once...

I agree with you

Well, on a couple of your points at least :lol:

Typically people supporting a foreign team in glory hunting is a bad thing, however in my view on things, South Africans who support the All Blacks only do so to spite the Springboks/ SA. All glory hunting is an issue

 

[Icemn]

Oh so you're part of the deluded 1% of NZ "fans" who try say the WC doesn't matter... Who you trying to convince here? Yourself or us? This debate is a moot point, null and void, etc etc. In fact such a debate doesn't exsit.
Your fabulous team had to play 'ugly rugby' to claw their way back against the Aussies this weekend. So much for being the custodians of beautiful rugby!

WC doesn't matter to ME.... if 2 other people feel the same way and we form 1% then its fine... not about right or wrong but typical 1 dimensional Sa supporter think that the majority must be right... i think i need to conduct research on you guys :d my problem will be my hypothesis... there are too many

really??? we played ugly??? how exactly??? did we park the bus like SA?? did we play dirty?? looked like we attacked to get those 2 tries :? its scary, cuz the AB had a very poor game yet they managed to lose by such a close margin... now that is what you call a good loss... you can take to many positives out of it going forward

 

[Icemn]

Take a deep breath, because I am probably only going to say this once...

I agree with you

Well, on a couple of your points at least :lol:

Typically people supporting a foreign team in glory hunting is a bad thing, however in my view on things, South Africans who support the All Blacks only do so to spite the Springboks/ SA. All glory hunting is an issue

i'm no glory hunter the AB are then chokers :? i support man utd, but i'm ashamed to admit that cuz they play crap even if they do win ***les... i support mclaren, what have they won? i support The Hurricanes, what have they won??? i support the English national football team..what have they won?? and i supported SA cricket side untill they sacked Hansie, then dropped cricket totally.... so no, i'm not a glory hunter.... glory hunters usually support the following teams..

cricket- Aus /India
football- Brazil / Spain
club football - Man utd /Barca
F1 - Ferrari
Rugby - SA / NZ (depends on who won)
S15 - Bulls / Crusaders