Aviva Premiership 15/16 - Round 2

[ratsapprentice]

I was impressed with both of them to be honest, think Kvesic managed at least 1 turnover and Fraser 2 I think. Fraser very prominant in defence.

Has Kvesic bulked up since last season?

Kev usually disrupts a lot more ball than he actually wins, don't see the stats giving him any TO's. Fraser's were really nice though.

Don't think he's bulked up... he's always been a bit of a specimen - according to the club websites Fraser and Kvesic are exactly the same height and weight.
188cm and 105kg.

I think j'nuh is right, both players excel when given a lot of work to do in defence.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Always hard to judge opensides on their turnover stats as they'll often win a lot more penalties than actual turnovers

 

[McTallshort]

Always hard to judge opensides on their turnover stats as they'll often win a lot more penalties than actual turnovers

Sure Kvesic won a penalty in the first half. Does that not count as a turnover?

 

[ratsapprentice]

Not if it's during the opposing team's advantage... one of the many reasons why someone can have poor "turnovers won" stats, when they are actually proper truffle hunters.

Henry Thomas is carry pretty well for Bath - looks more like a prop should do.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I'm pretty sure that the AP stats only count turnovers as jackling the ball and getting it back onto your side (maybe intercepts/lineout steals too? Not sure.)
Penalties don't count - I know there's games where Braid/Seymour have won a truckload of penalties, but then barely got 2 turnovers (on the stats) between them.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Nah it's all "turnovers" in open play... so: diving on a ball that squirts out of a ruck, or charging the ball down and regathering it, ripping the ball in the tackle etc.

Unsure over lineout steals.

 

[McTallshort]

Yet winning the penalty is turning over possession to you. Do they have a penalties won stat.

 

[ratsapprentice]

No - because you can't "win" a penalty, only concede one.

 

[McTallshort]

No - because you can't "win" a penalty, only concede one.

Yeah but in reality you can, shame because as you said before some people could be excellent at contesting the ball but dont get the stats to show that.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Gopperth is no Goode.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Considering they have two of the best backlines in the premiership this Wasps vs Bath game has been absolutely terrible.
6 - 3 at halftime, neither side creating anything other than unforced errors, really.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Considering they have two of the best backlines in the premiership this Wasps vs Bath game has been absolutely terrible.
6 - 3 at halftime, neither side creating anything other than unforced errors, really.

Yep debating to watch the Falcons game and see if that is any better.

 

[Raggs]

Wasps at least given it a go through the hands. Wade was a slight bounce off, Daly not quite so close. Wade would have been in if Roko had been slightly slower off the mark to take out Miller.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Yep debating to watch the Falcons game and see if that is any better.

I switched at half time and it's been infinitely better.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Is Foden back to his attacking best? Really hope so just a shame he is 30.

I might be in the minority but i prefer a prime Foden to a prime Brown.

 

[ncurd]

Matawalu YC and penalty try deserved?

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Giving up watching the bath game, what is the score?

 

[ncurd]

13-3 can't watch it as don't have a bet365 account may fix that for later games.

 

[TommiG88]

Is Foden back to his attacking best? Really hope so just a shame he is 30.

I might be in the minority but i prefer a prime Foden to a prime Brown.

We are in the minority together. Foden made Ashton with his breaks, and he's a team player.

 

[g6mcg]

He's certainly better at linking with his team in attack.