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Sorry for the delay. This was done over a month ago.

Online here: http://www.rugbymania.com.br/2009/ver_noticia08.asp?codigo=4395

Suggested XV
15 Kurtley Beale (NSW Warratahs)
14 James O´Connor (Western Force)
13 Adam Ashley-Cooper (ACT Brumbies)
12 Berrick Barnes (NSW Warratahs)
11 Digby Ioane (Queensland Reds)
10 Quade Cooper (Queensland Reds
9 Will Genia (Queensland Reds)
8 Richard Brown (Western Force)
7 David Pocock (Western Force)
6 Rocky Elsom captain (ACT Brumbies)
5 Nathan Sharpe (Western Force)
4 Dean Mumm (NSW Warratahs)
3 Benn Robinson (NSW Warratahs)
2 Stephen Moore (AC Brumbies)
1 James Slipper (Queensland Reds)

Reserves
16 Tatafu Polota-Nau (NSW Warratahs)
17 Ben Alexander (ACT Brumbies)
18 James Horwill (Queensland Reds)
19 Wycliff Palu (NSW Warratahs)
20 Luke Burgess (NSW Warratahs)
21 Matt Giteau (ACT Brumbies)
22 Lachlan Turner (NSW Warratahs)

Additional Players: 23 Saia Fainga´a (Queensland Reds), 24 Greg Holmes (Queensland Reds), 25 Scott Higginbotham (Queensland Reds), 26 Dan Vickerman (NSW Warratahs), 27 Matt Hodgson (Western Force), 28 Nick Phipps (Melbourne Rebels), 29 Peter Hynes (Queensland Reds), 30 Rob Horne (NSW Warratahs)

* Drew Mitchell left out as he won´t be ready in time but others in doubt have been included as reports have not written them off just yet.

Key Points
Can Australia win the RWC? Yes, no doubt about it.

Australia is one of the favorites and its position in the IRB World Rankings (third) is a sign of the quality of the Australian team. Australia has an inmpressice RWC history including being the first team to win the tournament twice (1991 and 1999). Australia also has an impressive history of eliminating teams considered as better such as the All Blacks in 1991 and 2003 and the Springboks in 1999. In every Rugby World Cup thus far, Australia have reache the Quarter Finals - something that no other team in Pool C can say they have done. This explains why Australia is entering the tournament as favorites to win its Pool and indeed the Wallabies certainly should.
Since France 2007, the Wallabies have defeated South Africa, Fiji, France, England, Ireland, Italy, New Zealand and Wales and have almost always won matches by playing open, running rugby and in the process scoring many tries. Nevertheless Australia´s success has not been overly impressive considering that, in total, the Wallabies have played 43 international matches for 24 vitroeis, 18 losses and one draw. In other words, Australia has won 56,97% of its matches from 2008-today. It means more wins than loses, obviously, but it isn´t an impressive enough quantity to say with certainty that Australia will go far in this years Rugby World Cup. What the figures actually demonstrate is that Australia is not invincible at all, just ask Samoa. Australia lost more than 40% of tis matches since 2007 and curiously lost its only match vs Samoa as well as its only match vs Scotland by 9-8.
The team has plenty of quality with outstanding players in almost every position. The options in the backs are enormous with an incredible list of first class players. Austrália has two excellent scrum-halves in Will Genia and Luke Burgess and even more options at flyhalf with three great players: Quade Cooper, Berrick Barnes e Matt Giteau. One of the three will be on the bench and another will likely play at inside centre. UBut where Australia really has an enormous list of quality is in the back-three. Even with the injury to Drew Mitchell, the Wallabies have an absurd list of options. there are names such as James O´Connor, Kurtley Beale, Peter Hynes, Digby Ioane, Adam Ashley-Cooper, Cameron Shephard, Lachlan Turner, Luke Rooney and Mark Gerrard. Australia is going to be very dangerous in this area and will probably use Adam Ashley-Cooper at centre, another position in whcih Australia has a lot of quality, but it probably will be Barnes or Giteau at 12 and Ashley-Cooper at 13.

Australia´s backrow today is up there with the best on the planet. The combination of 6 and 7 is indeed the ebst in the business. Australia has the worlds best blindside flanker in its captain, Rocky Elsom and also the worlds best openside flanker in David Pocock. the big names from 2007 such as Richie McCaw, Thierry Dusautoir and Schalk Burger eare inferior in quality to that of Pocock since 2009. Pocock is always present in rucks and has the sixe of an 8. Becaus of this he is very dangerous on both attack and defence. His captain, Rocky Elsom, is also an incredible player and together they will form the best backrow but with a player to spare. Australia´s secondrow is robust and also of quality. It is always visible on the field and helps the Austrlalian strategy of playing with quick ball, using the backs as much as possible.

Despite having so many strong areas in its game, the Wallabeis don´t have great players in all positions. Australia´s eternal problem continues until this day - its scrum. Australia doesn´t have props of the appropriate level. Australia´s scrum is the reason for losing the Quarter Final vs England in Marseilles four years ago. Australian can´t handle solid scrums and it is often to see the Wallabies frontrow collapse. Australian could conceede a high penalty count from this as well as significant disadvantages on the field. Its opponents could utterly destroy Australia in this area and a team with a solid scrum and a strong defensive line can knock them over, this is what happened in the Australia vs England match in Marseilles. In this years RWC Australia should advance to the Quarter Finals without problems in this area of the game but this will not be the case from the Final 8 onwards. If Australia does win its group the Wallabeis will probably face Wales in the Quarter Finala dn then England, France or Argentina in the semifinal. With an appropriate strategym, anyone of these three could defeat the Wallabies. Rugby is about 15 players combining to be a complete team and Australia, like every teams has problems in its game.
Australia has an excellent rugby resumé but has not domestic league. Domestic professional rugby in Australia does not exist nor does a domestic amateur league. Everything is regional or city centred. The country´s best championship is the Shute Shield involving teams from Sydney and a few from outside the city but located nearby. What Australia has is Super Rugby, which is 100% professiona but is a mutlinational competition involves five teams from each of Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. The Australian Rugby Union (ARU) complicates everything with its policy of only selecting players who play rugby in the country. This created massive problems for the coaches and there have been examples of Australia having to field sides without manyn players avaliable and thus play with a number of players out of position - for instance in 2005 and 2006 with a winger, Mat Rogers, moving to flyhalf. For 2011, as I write, Australia doesn´t have this problem but there are real chances that Australia could lose its place as being amongst the best in the world due to this policy combined with the fact that there is absolutely no professional domestic infrastructre and that the ARU has no interest in changing this. Curiously when Australia won the 1991 World Cup there were only two strong teams - New South Wales e Queensland. When the Wallabies won in 1999 there were three- the same two plus the ACT Brumbies. Australia didn´t have any other professional side. Today Italy has two teams in the old Magners League â€" today the RaboDirect Pro 12 - and also has its own professional league, the Campionato d`Eccellenza. Without question it is a recipe for success in the future and the Italian this year will be better prepared than ever before and in the future even more so.

Australia´s chances of winning tis group are huge but not absolute. Its first match vs Italy, a country that Australia has never lost a match against should be taken carefully die to the progress of the Italians and the teams strengths. It is just a matter of time before Australia lose a match against Italy because Italy is far more competitive now than in any other moment in its history. Since 2007, Italy phas played a lot more running rugby and has always given Australia better contests than in the past. France lost against Italy this year which suggests that nobody can take them lightly. The match consdiered as being the best in the group will be played in Auckland between Australia and Ireland five days after Australia vs Italy. Histrorically, Australia is the big favorite with 20 wins from the 29 matches between the two sides. Since 2007 Australia has won two of the three matches and drew the other. Both teams have strong and weak points, but it is in the backs and in backrows that both teams are the most impressive. But overall, Australia if of a higher quality and should win the match. The winner of the match should win the Pool and go on to face the runner up from Pool D (Fiji, Namíbia, Samoa, South Africa and Wales). Its a game that both sides have to win because it will facilitate everything in the play-off´s because it will mean a less complicated Quarter Final.

The game against the USA will be the first in mroe than a decade but the third in the history of the Rugby World Cup. The last game was in 1999 with Australia winning 55-19 and conceeding its only try in the tournament. In total Australia has played the USA six times and won every matchl. The first game was 99 years ago with Australia winning 12-8. in 1912 in San Francisco, California. This years match could be interesting to analyze the USA back-three which is made up of three players playing for big European clubs as well as two further professionals, including a Super Rugby player. The fourth match will be the first ever between Australia and Russia. Australia will certainly win but the question is : by how much? Australia could use the match to preapre for the play-offs or could try to show its superiority. In my opinion, Australia should, without question, use the match to prepare, by testing strategies and combinations and not only to score try after try.

Prediction Australia will defeat Italy, Ireland, the USa and Russia to qualify top of the group and face the second best side from Pool D in the Quarter Finals. Australia will certainly impress with ball in hand ans score a lot of tries. The likely opponent is Wales who Australia should defeat to then face one of potentially England, France or Argentina in the Semi Finals. Australia would be favorite but its strategy of playing with the backs could be complicated considering the superiority of the scrums and secondrows of these three sides. Right now, Australia will enter the RWC as favorites to reach the final but my money would be on the Wallabies losing the semifinal and thus being eliminated. Despite so may strenghts, the scrum is such a problem and I cannot forsee a repeat of France vs Australia from 2010.

 
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Suggested XV
15 Kurtley Beale (NSW Warratahs)
14 James O´Connor (Western Force)
13 Adam Ashley-Cooper (ACT Brumbies)
12 Berrick Barnes (NSW Warratahs)
11 Digby Ioane (Queensland Reds)
10 Quade Cooper (Queensland Reds
9 Will Genia (Queensland Reds)
8 Richard Brown (Western Force)
7 David Pocock (Western Force)
6 Rocky Elsom captain (ACT Brumbies)
5 Nathan Sharpe (Western Force)
4 Dean Mumm (NSW Warratahs)
3 Benn Robinson (NSW Warratahs)
2 Stephen Moore (AC Brumbies)
1 James Slipper (Queensland Reds)

Reserves
16 Tatafu Polota-Nau (NSW Warratahs)
17 Ben Alexander (ACT Brumbies)
18 James Horwill (Queensland Reds)
19 Wycliff Palu (NSW Warratahs)
20 Luke Burgess (NSW Warratahs)
21 Matt Giteau (ACT Brumbies)
22 Lachlan Turner (NSW Warratahs)

Additional Players: 23 Saia Fainga´a (Queensland Reds), 24 Greg Holmes (Queensland Reds), 25 Scott Higginbotham (Queensland Reds), 26 Dan Vickerman (NSW Warratahs), 27 Matt Hodgson (Western Force), 28 Nick Phipps (Melbourne Rebels), 29 Peter Hynes (Queensland Reds), 30 Rob Horne (NSW Warratahs)

* Drew Mitchell left out as he won´t be ready in time but others in doubt have been included as reports have not written them off just yet.

is that the team you would pick or the team you think the selectors will pick

because Mumm looks out of contention at the moment

also tonnes of props ahead of Holmes in the pecking order

can't see them picking long term injured players such as Horne and Hynes too
 
Interesting, but yes a bit out of date. We wont know the real starting 15 until after the tri-nations. At the moment i'd go for:

15. Beale 14. JOC 13. AAC 12. Faingaa 11. Ioane 10. Cooper 9. Genia 8. Samo 7. Pocock 6. Higgenbotham 5. Sharpe 4. Horwill 3. Baxter 2. TPN 1. Kepu

Hard to tell if they will drop Pocock and Alexander though.
 
I really hope AAC bounce back to how he was playing in the November Internationals.
 
Indeed, back then when the name AAC popped up I was afraid. This season he hasen't done much at all. And against Samoa I didn't even see him until half way into the first half.

But I think Australia aren't going to reach the finals. They will hopefully be knocked out by England in the semi's ;).
 
is that the team you would pick or the team you think the selectors will pick

because Mumm looks out of contention at the moment

also tonnes of props ahead of Holmes in the pecking order

can't see them picking long term injured players such as Horne and Hynes too

Its the ideal XV. Who I´d pick if I were the coach.

Sure names are ahead of Holmes but they all have the same problem - they are not very good.

Mumm won´t make it. They´ll go for Simmons who I do rate but I prefer Mumm.
 
Since when has Mitchell been ruled out? Last time I read he was progressing faster than expected and could well be within World Cup contention.
 
Not a bad selection (especially considering it was picked a month or so ago). I will note that Robinson is exclusively a loosehead prop, so if he and Slipper were to play together Slipper (who is capable of playing both sides) would be at tighthead (in any case it looks like Robinson will be ruled out of the RWC with injury). If I was picking the Wallabies props I would definately consider the likes of Ben Daley and even Dan Palmer in the squad. Daley may not be best scrummager, but none of the Aussie props are, and Daley certainly has a huge work-rate around the field. The other option would be to go for Dan Palmer, who in my opinion is the best scrummging prop in Australia. His work around the field is poor, but I believe his poor work-rate could be compensated to a degree by the big work-rate of the other Aussie front-rowers.

Can't agree with the selection of Brown at number 8 - he's always struggled at test level, and doesn't even standout in Super Rugby. I'd definately pick the likes of McCalman, Palu, Higginbotham or possibly even Samo ahead of him. I like most of your backline picks, but would definately find room for both Pat McCabe and Anthony Faingaa.
 
Paul

You have Benn Robinson listed, but he is out of the world cup with a torn anterior cruciate ligament (ACL).

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-rugby-world-cup/story-e6frg7mf-1226093906964

It needs surgery, and even though there are some sources saying he might be back, the reality with that type of injury is that full recovery is measured in months not weeks. The ACL is located behind the kneecap. Propping places a lot of stress on it and if he tries to come back even a little early he could end up aggarvating it and seriously affecting his future career. This is one of those injuries that, when you feel everything is absolutely ok, you need to give it another month.

The loss of Benn Robinson is a considerable blow to Australia's chances of obtaining parity at scrum time. IMO, he is the only Australian loosehead prop who can match it with the big boys in the England, South African and New Zealand scrums.
 
Paul

You have Benn Robinson listed, but he is out of the world cup with a torn anterior cruciate ligament (ACL).

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-rugby-world-cup/story-e6frg7mf-1226093906964

It needs surgery, and even though there are some sources saying he might be back, the reality with that type of injury is that full recovery is measured in months not weeks. The ACL is located behind the kneecap. Propping places a lot of stress on it and if he tries to come back even a little early he could end up aggarvating it and seriously affecting his future career. This is one of those injuries that, when you feel everything is absolutely ok, you need to give it another month.

The loss of Benn Robinson is a considerable blow to Australia's chances of obtaining parity at scrum time. IMO, he is the only Australian loosehead prop who can match it with the big boys in the England, South African and New Zealand scrums.

A more recent article on Benn Robinson´s injury says he may well be ready: http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3818_7046461,00.html

darwin_23

I think 8 is a bit of a lottery. Higginbotham in Super Rugby looked like being ideal but needs more time. Come 2012 he should be in the starting XV. McCalman is, for me, bettrer than Brown, but lacks sufficient time and after being outplayed by Stowers I doubt he´ll feature vs Italy or Ireland at the RWC. Pat McCabe and Anthony Faingaa are both great players. I went for Rob Horne instead who is, of course in doubt. But I also thought of James O´Connor who could well play 12 which I would certainly fancy over McCabe and Faingaa.


As for props I agree with Smartcooky. Robinson is the key....
ohmydays.

Who do you think is better.....​
 
Who is better then Rocky Elsom? Considering he hasnt played for 6 months due to injury i'd say the majority of blindside international forwards. Sean O'brien, Jerome Kaino, Juan Smith, Tom Croft, Willem Alberts, even Scott Higginbottom seems to have bigger impact on games at the moment!!
 
My predicted Australian squad (presuming Robinson is ruled out and Mitchell recovers in time):

1. Slipper
2. Moore
3. Alexander
4. Horwill
5. Sharpe
6. Elsom
7. Pocock
8. McCalman
9. Genia
10. Cooper
11. Mitchell
12. McCabe
13. Ashley-Cooper
14. O'Connor
15. Beale

16. Polota-Nau
17. Kepu
18. Simmons
19. Higginbotham
20. Robinson
21. Burgess
22. Ioane

23. S Faingaa
24. Daley
25. Mumm
26. Hodgson
27. Phipps
28. Giteau
29. A Faingaa
30. Turner

I've gone for a 17/13 split, as I think the Aussie selectors may go that way as many of their backs can cover multiple positions, and they seem keen on a 5/2 split on the bench. Dan Vickermann may come into contention if he can prove he is still up to playing test rugby during the tri-nations, but he doesn't have much time to make his case. Palu (or maybe even Dennis) may be taken ahead of Hodgson, but Palu have to get a couple of starts in the tri-nations (and not get injured during these matches!). The obvious omission in the backs in that of Berrick Barnes. If Australia go for a 16/14 split there may be room for both himself and Giteau, but Elton Flately suggested recently that Deans will have to select either Barnes or Giteau, and I tend to agree. If both were in good form it would be a hard choice (and I might even favour Barnes), but the fact Barnes hasn't been playing recently due to his head knocks (which may indeed end up ruling him out of the RWC) it makes the decision easier.
 
I'd start with Higgenbottom against SA, the guys been playing superb all season and showed his class against Samoa with some lovely moves. Didn't think Elsom showed much at all? Genia captain then.
 
I'd start with Higgenbottom against SA, the guys been playing superb all season and showed his class against Samoa with some lovely moves. Didn't think Elsom showed much at all? Genia captain then.
I'm sure Higginbotham will get some starts in the tri-nations, possibly at number 8. While Elsom didn't exactly excel against Samoa (and that is being kind..), it was his first game back after missing nearly the whole Super Rugby season with injury, so it was no surprise that he was nowhere near his best. If Australia's goal against South Africa this weekend was purely to win then selecting Higginbotham over Elsom would probably be a good idea. However they want to give Elsom as much game-time as possible so he is back to best by RWC time (as he is guaranteed to start - unless injured - given that he is captain).
 
Still think Sharpe should be captain... guy leads from the front hard.
 
Sharpe cut from squad for N.Z. match W.C. hopes don't look good.
 
Now Benn Robinson has been definetly ruled out from RWC.

Sad, and, worrying.
Ma'afu is not an option at test leve, maybe even Baxter is better.

Anyway, from the initial 40-man squad i think these are gonna be the 30.

All 22 from SA test, because despite a lot of handling errors, they showed that with the right aggression, they can impose their game. Fainga'a and Samo in 20 minutes raised up their hand.
And even if everyone is saying that Barnes or Giteau would be dropped, I think they will be both at the Rwc.

PROPS
1) Kepu
2) Alexander
3) Slipper
4) Ma'afu (don't think Deans would change now)

HOOKERS
5) Moore
6) Polota-Nau
7) S Fainga'a

SECOND ROWS
8) Sharpe (outstanding in Durban test)
9) Horwill
10) Simmons
11) Vickerman

BACKROWS
12) Elsom (c)
13) Higginbotham
14) Pocock
15) Samo
16) Hodgson (seems Deans is in love with him... I don't think he would give a chance to Beau Robinson)
17) McCalman

SCRUM HALVES
18) Genia
19) Burgess

INSIDE BACKS
20) Cooper
21) McCabe
22) Ashley-Cooper
23) A Fainga'a
24) Barnes
25) Giteau (as Nick Phipps failed everywhere, Deans could consider Giteau as a possible 9 back-up, in emergency)

OUTSIDE BACKS
26) Ioane
27) O'Connor
28) Beale
29) Mitchell
30) Turner


Could be Beau Robinson for Hodgson and maybe a pure scrum half (don't know who) for Giteau or Barnes.
 
^^^^Agree with most of that squad. My thoughts...

PROPS
I agree that Deans is most likely to take Ma'afu, and also agree he is not good enough for test rugby. If I was selecting I would pick Ben Daley - like Ma'afu he is poor at scrum time, but he does have a huge work-rate round the field, particularly in defence.

HOOKERS
Assuming Polota-Nau is fit these will definately be the three taken.

SECOND ROWS
I think Sharpe, Horwill, and Simmons are certainties, but I'm not quite sure who the 4th lock will be. A lot will depend on the squad make up - if they choose to have a 17/13 split they can afford to pick a 4th specialist lock (Timani, Vickermann), but if they go with a 16/14 split they would probably pick Dean Mumm, as he is able to cover 6 (which would be important, as they would only be able to pick 5 loose forwards). I think they will go with a 17/13 split; I'm thinking they will take Vickermann, but wouldn't be surprised to see them pick Mumm.

BACKROWS
Elsom, Higginbotham, Pocock, Hodgson, and McCalman are probably certainties - if Deans only takes 5 loosies these will be them. If they pick 6 loosies (which I think they will) the 6th spot will be between Samo and Palu. At this stage I think Samo is more likely to get picked given Palu has played so little this year due to injury, but Deans may gamble on Palu if they think he will be fit in time.

SCRUM HALVES
I agree they may only take 2 halfbacks (with Giteau providing cover), but I suspect they will take 3 (in which case they will take Phipps).

INSIDE BACKS
I don't think there is room for both Barnes and Giteau. They both cover basically the same positions, an neither look like they will feature in the match-day 22 for the important matches. Given they have plenty of cover for 10/12 in the squad already I just can't see how they can afford to pick them both - personally I don't think they will pick Giteau. If Australia does only pick two halfbacks (leaving room for 6 inside backs) I think Rob Horne may come into contention (assuming he is fit), as he is very highly rated by Deans and co.

OUTSIDE BACKS
Agree with the five you have picked (assuming Mitchell is fit) - AAC and McCabe can provide cover if required.
 

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