Another January Sale

[MichaelBoard]

I think that's abit harsh. I do think he's over rated but he has been on three Lions tours and even captained them. I think at the height of his career his kicking game suited the game but now possession is more important his kicking game is less needed.

Yeah fairplay to him he has been on 3 tours, but it was his mistake in the second test in South Africa that cost us the series. Giving away a penalty right at the end which Morne Steyne banged over so thats another reason to not like him.
I will give him some credit, usually imo I think he was bad but on his good days he did play well, not exceptional, but well. He played a good game when Ireland beat Wales in that cliffhanger at the Millenium Stadium when he kicked a dropgoal straight after Stephen Jones' dropgoal.

 

[coonor]

Yeah fairplay to him he has been on 3 tours, but it was his mistake in the second test in South Africa that cost us the series. Giving away a penalty right at the end which Morne Steyne banged over so thats another reason to not like him.
I will give him some credit, usually imo I think he was bad but on his good days he did play well, not exceptional, but well. He played a good game when Ireland beat Wales in that cliffhanger at the Millenium Stadium when he kicked a dropgoal straight after Stephen Jones' dropgoal.

I agree. It was his fault in the second test and I don't think he's a very good leader at all. I think he is a different fly half, whether that's good all depends on the style of game.

 

[Teh Mite]

Yeah fairplay to him he has been on 3 tours, but it was his mistake in the second test in South Africa that cost us the series. Giving away a penalty right at the end which Morne Steyne banged over so thats another reason to not like him.

He also pussied out of the tackle on Russow.

 

[Draggs]

He also pussied out of the tackle on Russow.

And being demolished by Jaque Fourie.

 

[Gavin]

He also pussied out of the tackle on Russow.

Think it was actually Spies. But he did make an attempt at the tackle. He got in the way.

 

[Feicarsinn]

He's not a good player, but he's not the worst. A very solid club out half who would have scored a helluva lot of points for any club side in Europe but probably not up to international standard. Had he had to compete with either Sexton or Humphreys in their pri I couldn't have seen hi getting nearly as many caps.

A good servant of irish rugby, if not a dickheadish pussy who's so far up his own arse he has intimate knowledge of his own intestines.

 

[munstermuffin]

Lads for anyone that bothers to learn about ROG:

Born in America in San Diego yes and lived there for 19 months, Both his parents are Irish and his father even played club rugby in Ireland. He had all his education in Ireland and learned every skill he had in Ireland. So you can consider him American if you want but well he is very much as Irish as everyone else.

On his career, 3 Lions Tours, 2 Heineken Cups, The player who was awarded ERC European Player Award (Best player in H'Cup over 15 years) based on selection by a commitee of greats, A Magners League and a Grand Slam as well as a few Triple Crowns.
Not bad for a bad player

Lets move on to pressure moments.
- Played in a few "Miracle Matches" and did excellent even kicking a superb conversion from the sideline on the wrong side for a right footed kicker against Gloucester to get 27 point victory and send us through.
- Been 1 of best tactical kickers in World
- In Heineken Cup Finals having 100% record (Kicking at goal)
- Reached the 100 cap club for Ireland
- Top Heineken Cup scorer by a good amount of points

So like there is a few more fact I could rattle out but anyone who knows about rugby know's a team needs a good 10 to be successful on a consistent basis and well that is an impressive CV. And maybe he isn't a brilliant tackler but at least he puts the body on the line.

 

[MichaelBoard]

Lads for anyone that bothers to learn about ROG:

Born in America in San Diego yes and lived there for 19 months, Both his parents are Irish and his father even played club rugby in Ireland. He had all his education in Ireland and learned every skill he had in Ireland. So you can consider him American if you want but well he is very much as Irish as everyone else.

On his career, 3 Lions Tours, 2 Heineken Cups, The player who was awarded ERC European Player Award (Best player in H'Cup over 15 years) based on selection by a commitee of greats, A Magners League and a Grand Slam as well as a few Triple Crowns.
Not bad for a bad player

Lets move on to pressure moments.
- Played in a few "Miracle Matches" and did excellent even kicking a superb conversion from the sideline on the wrong side for a right footed kicker against Gloucester to get 27 point victory and send us through.
- Been 1 of best tactical kickers in World
- In Heineken Cup Finals having 100% record (Kicking at goal)
- Reached the 100 cap club for Ireland
- Top Heineken Cup scorer by a good amount of points

So like there is a few more fact I could rattle out but anyone who knows about rugby know's a team needs a good 10 to be successful on a consistent basis and well that is an impressive CV. And maybe he isn't a brilliant tackler but at least he puts the body on the line.

Good argument but with regards to the pressur moments you mention, yes in the instances you've mentioned hes obviously performed under pressure but there are many moments where he hasn't, many moments where I've seen him miss easy kicks etc its just one tends to remember the good moments more than the bad so it is easier to list the advantages.

One example of many easy kicks that O'Gara has missed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idYEgfDC-4s

 

[Feicarsinn]

There are lots of players who 'put their bodies on the line' in the AIL. That doesn't mean I want them playing for Ireland, let alone the Lions.

The most damning thing about O'Gara is that his tackling hasn't improved over the years. You'd think as a pro he'd make some effort to improve a massive weakness in his skill set, but it doesn't look like he has at all.

 

[Teh Mite]

Anybody who attempts to defend O'Gara and uses the Lions as an example to support their case is a communist. He should have never even gone on any of those Lions tours he did - 2001 Was all about Wilkinson and Jenkins, 2005 Hodgson and Jones & 2009 was Jones & Hook. His only contribution throughout "his 3 tours" was to throw away the Lions chances in the 2nd test of 2009. Everybody knew before the game that Hook should have been given the 21 Shirt, but the Irish Tabloids & George Hook had their way in that case in the same manor the Rupert Murdoch really runs English soccer.

O'Gara is arrogant and over-rated, only has plaudits because he's "Irish" (living the American dream) and there's nobody else, can't-tackle-won't-tackle, can't-pass-won't-pass and only plays for Munster because it was inevitable they would end up with the only "Irish" (a term I use very loosely) in the world.

No other country would ever want him, they've all got much better. The sooner Kidney fucks off and takes his nepotism with him, the better for the Irish as they'll finally give Sexton the run of games he needs and deserves. Otherwise his confidence will be shot within no time.

Edit: My mistake, O'Gara did once make a tackle:
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Think it was actually Spies. But he did make an attempt at the tackle. He got in the way.

No he didn't, he **** his pants then jumped out of the way!

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Lads for anyone that bothers to learn about ROG:

Born in America in San Diego yes and lived there for 19 months, Both his parents are Irish and his father even played club rugby in Ireland. He had all his education in Ireland and learned every skill he had in Ireland. So you can consider him American if you want but well he is very much as Irish as everyone else.

On his career, 3 Lions Tours, 2 Heineken Cups, The player who was awarded ERC European Player Award (Best player in H'Cup over 15 years) based on selection by a commitee of greats, A Magners League and a Grand Slam as well as a few Triple Crowns.
Not bad for a bad player

Lets move on to pressure moments.
- Played in a few "Miracle Matches" and did excellent even kicking a superb conversion from the sideline on the wrong side for a right footed kicker against Gloucester to get 27 point victory and send us through.
- Been 1 of best tactical kickers in World
- In Heineken Cup Finals having 100% record (Kicking at goal)
- Reached the 100 cap club for Ireland
- Top Heineken Cup scorer by a good amount of points

So like there is a few more fact I could rattle out but anyone who knows about rugby know's a team needs a good 10 to be successful on a consistent basis and well that is an impressive CV. And maybe he isn't a brilliant tackler but at least he puts the body on the line.

 

[munstermuffin]

Has O'Gara been a poor tackler. Yes
Has he improved. Only in last year or so.
But I still think his achievements prove he is a good player and I can guarantee majority of teams would want him if they had offer. M.Board you say ROG has missed some easy kick etc. Yes that is true but 1 reason was he changed his kicking technique but also most kickers do have moments to forget.

Feic I agree most AIL players do put body on line but my point was ROG can't tackle but while teams target him he always manages to at least slow player down and tackle is made by a backrow and it just way we play. We can protect fact he can't tackle.

Bullitt I thought you watched rugby Sexton has been starting alot for Ireland lately and well if ROG was that bad what does that say about English 10s that ye have to keep relying on a crocked Wilko. I supposed you'd have preffered to see Andy Goode or Hodgson who has an even bigger reputation of been a bottler on tour instead.
ROG's CV speaks for itself and well I see so if you live outside a country for tear or 2 that means you loose your nationality so what the hell is Wilkinson????
And it pretty cheap coming from English who seem to love New Zealanders in the team.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Cheeky b**tard trying to stamp on Jenkins there


That video of him tackling his own team was glorious :lol:

 

[Teh Mite]

Bullitt I thought you watched rugby Sexton has been starting alot for Ireland lately and well if ROG was that bad what does that say about English 10s that ye have to keep relying on a crocked Wilko. I supposed you'd have preffered to see Andy Goode or Hodgson who has an even bigger reputation of been a bottler on tour instead.

The funny thing is, I do watch rugby.
That's why I still remember Charlie Hodgson being the best Lions 10 of the 2005 tour while O'Gara was the ridiculed dirt-tracker. Behind useless Charlie, Stephen "can't get a look in" Jones and "the crocked" Wilko.
I also have a distinct memory of Pool 4 of the 2007 HEC, So on the O'Gara vs Goode thing, I'd be quiet before you make yourself the fool.

ROG's CV speaks for itself and well I see so if you live outside a country for tear or 2 that means you loose your nationality so what the hell is Wilkinson????

O'Gara has the CV of someone who's played for Munster. He's been carried for years in an armchair behind a big pack, but only ever won a couple of HECs and 1 six nations ***le. He's got got **** all else worth talking about. Unless you count the various losers medals and the ultimate joke of all - TRIPPLE CROWNS!!!!! (Which is about equal in value to being awarded the "Hottest Fat Chick" award).

The Wilkinson comment I don't understand.

And it pretty cheap coming from English who seem to love New Zealanders in the team.

There's a comment on par with a Welshman saying "it was fine for Richie Reese to rake the players eyes because he's was Dylan Hartley". Desperate argument time? Worried you may be losing this one?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I supposed you'd have preffered to see Hodgson who has an even bigger reputation of been a bottler on tour instead.

Hey now...

 

[munstermuffin]

Well Wilkinson has been out of England longer than ROG has been living outside Ireland and bullshit about Goode in 07 and Hodgson been a standout in 05 on Lions tour ha ha not 1 player stood out down in New Zealand except maybe Ryan Jones.
And well at end of day your not measured on anything but what you've won and ROG has a nice collection.
And why is it so the Welsh have troubled ROG even the Scottish but the English never seem to do that damage in recent years. Simply meaning if we have a bad 10 English must be awful as they can't seem to exploit it.

But simple fact is what the he'll gas Wilkinson won at club level, Jones won, Hodgson, Flood, or Goode or even your super Saints bar a Challenge cup.
So don't be feeding me bullshit when a player us measured on what they won and you can say he had armchair ride but I'm involved in Munster a long time and I know we never had a dominant scrum so we never really were that dominant but if he'd an armchair ride that was simply because opposition were just not up to task and well if you have a 10 that can't tackle and as you say "won't pass- can't pass" on the opposition team and can't exploit it then you'd want to look at your own team.

 

[Teh Mite]

Well Wilkinson has been out of England longer than ROG has been living outside Ireland and bullshit about Goode in 07 and Hodgson been a standout in 05 on Lions tour ha ha not 1 player stood out down in New Zealand except maybe Ryan Jones.
And well at end of day your not measured on anything but what you've won and ROG has a nice collection.
And why is it so the Welsh have troubled ROG even the Scottish but the English never seem to do that damage in recent years. Simply meaning if we have a bad 10 English must be awful as they can't seem to exploit it.

But simple fact is what the he'll gas Wilkinson won at club level, Jones won, Hodgson, Flood, or Goode or even your super Saints bar a Challenge cup.
So don't be feeding me bullshit when a player us measured on what they won and you can say he had armchair ride but I'm involved in Munster a long time and I know we never had a dominant scrum so we never really were that dominant but if he'd an armchair ride that was simply because opposition were just not up to task and well if you have a 10 that can't tackle and as you say "won't pass- can't pass" on the opposition team and can't exploit it then you'd want to look at your own team.

ALL OF THAT: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

**** me the Limerick lot still love clinging to that "underdogs with dem great fans" tag. Such a shame it's been replaced with paranoia and ********.

 

[munstermuffin]

Hey now...

It is facts though Olyy but when he is on form I will admit he is superb

 

[munstermuffin]

ALL OF THAT: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

**** me the Limerick lot still love clinging to that "underdogs with dem great fans" tag. Such a shame it's been replaced with paranoia and ********.

Well it fact we stick up for our own and Bullitt and what I'm saying is true fact so no more to say on my part

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Presuming they both start, Wilko v O'Gara on the weekend
and this isn't English Wilko, French Wilko is a whole different kettle of fish

ROG: